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Have you looked into the cooler master MM720? It's got a spot for a ring finger to sit. It looks extra wide. No idea if it's good, it's still new.
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Roumba posted:Do you use your ring finger for right clicking and that's why your pinkie+thumb are squeezing to control the mouse? We call that the Vulcan Death Grip.
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I wish someone made like, replacement shells for mice like they do with gameboys and ipods. I still love my |G400s, just don't love looking at it. 
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Minorkos posted:In the gaming sphere, you would basically need a very tall ergo mouse like the EC1 (very big) or maybe a Glorious Model D (somewhat smaller) to rest your entire hand with all its fingers on it. Though I'd maybe rather use the FK1+-B since it's very long and wide, but still has a low profile, so it's more comfortable to actually rest your hand on it when you do. That said, both the EC1 and FK1 have felt unnecessarily bulky for me, even as a 6'3 dude and with some fairly large hands. A good post. Seriously, if you are having pain while mousing, the first place to look is not the mouse, but how you're using it. Elbow and especially wrist angle, utilization of large vs small muscles, grip tightness, seating posture, these things are probably where your pain is coming from. Do not do dumb poo poo and gently caress up your hands while searching for a mouse that lets you get away with it. You will regret it for the rest of your life, and most of us probably aren't that old yet.
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Seconded. I was having lots of wrist pain and then realized my sensitivity was way too high. I set it to like 600 and now I can use my arm instead of just my tiny wrist muscles. It made a world of difference
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So if I want a basic normal gaming mouse should I just look at what razer has to offer? Can someone name a couple of recommended mouse make+models for fps'ing please? Not super pro elite, just, gaming fps mouse. Also can someone recommended a hard mouse pad of a good size? I got a pad but it's a little small.
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LordAdakos posted:Have you looked into the cooler master MM720? I bought this and have had a couple weeks with it now and so far it's been great. I've never used a Xornet or Spawn shape but it's been comfortable. Ultralight makes a huge difference along with a stock paracord style cable. My previous mouse was a G403, so far I like the MM720 shape more.
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redreader posted:So if I want a basic normal gaming mouse should I just look at what razer has to offer? Can someone name a couple of recommended mouse make+models for fps'ing please? Not super pro elite, just, gaming fps mouse. Razer Viper Razer Basilisk Razer Death Adder
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K8.0 posted:A good post. Seriously, if you are having pain while mousing, the first place to look is not the mouse, but how you're using it. Elbow and especially wrist angle, utilization of large vs small muscles, grip tightness, seating posture, these things are probably where your pain is coming from. My physical therapist said that for the most part poor ergonomics aren't inherently too dangerous, since they'll typically only cause you to use more of your muscles while working, and that will only hurt you if those muscles are weak. I called him out on this a bit since that seemed incredibly stupid to me, but after he clarified a bit, I do see his point about how to primarily approach these issues. If you find yourself seeking increasingly specific ergonomics (like I did), then it's more likely your problems are fixed with weight training than improving workplace ergonomics. He said that although good ergonomics are always better, you shouldn't be afraid outright afraid of working with poor ergonomics or using your muscles while working, because that will typically only hamper your recovery and cause more issues for you down the line. Still, good ergonomics are important, but I'd say the only stuff that absolutely matters is stuff that causes carpal tunnel, which is notably not a matter of muscle strength nor (relatively) easily solved. As long as your muscle strength is up to par, everything else is supposedly more or less for comfort and to improve the amount of time you can spend working. So yeah, make sure your wrist position is good, and make sure you're primarily using your mouse with your arm, not your wrist. redreader posted:So if I want a basic normal gaming mouse should I just look at what razer has to offer? Can someone name a couple of recommended mouse make+models for fps'ing please? Not super pro elite, just, gaming fps mouse. I like to reply to every post in this thread with "try the Razer Viper" so here I go recommending the Razer Viper again. The ambidextrous low-profile shape might feel weird if you're coming from big ergo mice, but it should grow on you fairly quickly. Most top gaming mice use a similar shape since it just works very well. This shape is used also by the Glorious Model O and FK1-B, though I prefer the Viper because it's very light without hole technology, it has a better texture and buttons than the FK-1B and it has optical switches that shouldn't fail. There's also Logitech GPW, which is extremely popular among esports people, though it usually develops double clicking issues within months, and its shape and build quality are more divisive. If you absolutely want an asymmetrical ergo mouse for whatever reason, then check out the Glorious Model D. Also, don't make the mistake of using a bigger mouse than you need to. The smallest and lightest a mouse that you can comfortably use is pretty much always going to be better. Minorkos fucked around with this message at 00:01 on Nov 15, 2020 |
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SalTheBard posted:Razer Viper Minorkos posted:I like to reply to every post in this thread with "try the Razer Viper" so here I go recommending the Razer Viper again. it's currently selling for $40 on amazon so I got one. Thanks for the recommendations! It'll only arrive in about a month but at that price, I don't really care.
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Wait, Razer are being recommended now? I thought their QC was notoriously bad. The one time I tried a wireless mouse of theirs (granted, this was years ago) it developed a squeak and faulty mouse wheel in the first week.
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While it's not as godawful as it was for the first decade, Razer quality is still mediocre at best. It's more that everyone's quality is in the dumpster now, largely because everyone is running switches at voltages below spec which causes early failure. Razer is using optical switches on some of their mice, which avoids this problem. That's how Razer mice are all of a sudden considered relatively more reliable than other brands.
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Nov 15, 2020 02:09
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So you’re saying I should tighten my claw grip on my current mouse, man that sucks to hear.
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ijyt posted:Wait, Razer are being recommended now? I thought their QC was notoriously bad. The one time I tried a wireless mouse of theirs (granted, this was years ago) it developed a squeak and faulty mouse wheel in the first week. I'm not sure Razer has gotten any better in general, but the Viper seems to be mostly fine. There's usually some light m1/m2 button wobble, probably because they wanted looser buttons for lighter presses, but it's rarely bad enough to actually be a problem. It helps that the mouse has optical switches so you don't really have to worry about getting double-clicking issues like other mice. The mouse market is also kind of funky now. A lot of mouse manufacturers seem to now be suffering from QC issues to the point that Razer doesn't seem that bad. At least the Viper's issues are mostly benign. ijyt posted:So you’re saying I should tighten my claw grip on my current mouse, man that sucks to hear. I might be a dumbass consumer but I'll take hyper-light modern mice over the old ergo bricks, bad quality control or not. But maybe I only feel like that because I know I can get a full refund on my Viper at any time because my copy has a slightly-less-than-cosmetic wobble issue Minorkos fucked around with this message at 02:38 on Nov 15, 2020 |
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redreader posted:So if I want a basic normal gaming mouse should I just look at what razer has to offer? Can someone name a couple of recommended mouse make+models for fps'ing please? Not super pro elite, just, gaming fps mouse. I'm super happy with my DeathAdder Elite
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I'll counter these positive sentiments with: the last several razer products I've owned broke within 3-6 months. I've personally had nothing but bad luck with razer products, but this was between 3 and 5 years ago. I guess your milage may vary.
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K8.0 posted:A good post. Seriously, if you are having pain while mousing, the first place to look is not the mouse, but how you're using it. Elbow and especially wrist angle, utilization of large vs small muscles, grip tightness, seating posture, these things are probably where your pain is coming from. I'm largely having pain because my job is over-stressing my arms from the weight I work with, so my hands are a bit weaker than they really should be. I've gotten tendonitis through my thumb because of that place and I had to wear a brace for 3 months, while still having to be on the job. Do I want to quit? Absolutely. Can I afford to? No, not really. Was trying to get a new job this year BECAUSE my right hand muscles started getting worse, but then Covid happened and now I'm stuck. So for now I'm really just trying to find a way to get around this until an opportunity presents itself. unfortunately all I can really do is just ice my hands every so often and hope that I can get back to working on things I care about soon.
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Minorkos posted:I might be a dumbass consumer but I'll take hyper-light modern mice over the old ergo bricks, bad quality control or not. But maybe I only feel like that because I know I can get a full refund on my Viper at any time because my copy has a slightly-less-than-cosmetic wobble issue I’m not super into light mice to be honest, I miss my G9 that I could add weights to. wish that cord hadn’t broken. It’s not like the G400s is exceptionally heavy at 130-ish grams either.
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I'm getting some weird double-triple clicking when I sometimes click things with my Logitech G Pro mouse. Weirdly I had started an RMA process for it over a year ago when this first appeared but it went away and stayed away for almost a year now, so I just didn;'t bother finishing it. But now it's back and I dont think they'll cover it anymore since it's been awhile. I looked up and it appears bending the switch a little isn't actually that hard, but has anyone had experience with this problem and fixing it? I'm already using GHub with tthe latest firmware (i think) Also the Logitechs support seems to have massively gone downhill and the RMA process when I first tried was laughably awful holy hell. They wanted me to have a hand-written note with the serial number, next to the mouse also showing the serial number, and then have me take a video using my phone of me clicking my mouse on this one github site that measures double-clicks.
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While we're talking about shoddy products, I'll give a mention to Steelseries Rival 310. I'm not being hyperbolic when I say it's the shoddiest piece of poo poo I ever wasted money on. It felt cheap, it broke early and easily, it's ugly and it was designed by cretins. Cheers to the goon who recommended me the new Intellimouse. It's a fantastic mouse - the build quality is great and it feels premium. Definitely the best mouse I've used.
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Rollie Fingers posted:While we're talking about shoddy products, I'll give a mention to Steelseries Rival 310. I'm not being hyperbolic when I say it's the shoddiest piece of poo poo I ever wasted money on. It felt cheap, it broke early and easily, it's ugly and it was designed by cretins.
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Those mice with the honey comb patterns cut in them, do they leave weird patterns on your hands or anything?
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Razer Basilisk Ultimate is a really good wireless mouse if you want wireless.
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SalTheBard posted:Those mice with the honey comb patterns cut in them, do they leave weird patterns on your hands or anything? not unless you are frequently slamming your hands down on your mouse as hard as you can
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Xaris posted:Also the Logitechs support seems to have massively gone downhill and the RMA process when I first tried was laughably awful holy hell. They wanted me to have a hand-written note with the serial number, next to the mouse also showing the serial number, and then have me take a video using my phone of me clicking my mouse on this one github site that measures double-clicks. I'm thinking the reason QC and customer support has gone down in general is because most people aren't going to bother with this stuff and will rather just buy a new mouse. Although at least in my country, consumers are protected well enough that typically you can just return the mouse directly to the store you bought it from and they have to honor the return because of the EU-mandated 2 year warranty thing.
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Model O wireless is out now - didn't see anyone post about it. I imagine it'll be a safer buy now than the original run of Model Os were, since most of the parts of the wireless will be identical (unless there was some huge redesign of the internals that was necessary). Probably a safe choice for people who like ambi shapes. It's 69 grams, which is nice, and US$80, which isn't bad.
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I'm kind of impressed that Razer released the DeathAdder V2 Pro in 2020 with a Micro USB port rather than Type-C. Real courage there.
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Xaris posted:I'm getting some weird double-triple clicking when I sometimes click things with my Logitech G Pro mouse. Weirdly I had started an RMA process for it over a year ago when this first appeared but it went away and stayed away for almost a year now, so I just didn;'t bother finishing it. But now it's back and I dont think they'll cover it anymore since it's been awhile. I looked up and it appears bending the switch a little isn't actually that hard, but has anyone had experience with this problem and fixing it? I'm already using GHub with tthe latest firmware (i think) Oh hey that was me a bit ago too. It went away and then the middle click decided to start mis- or double-clicking. Luckily the Lefty Naga came out and I've been using that since. Sold the G Pro on eBay for a discount mentioning the above issue and nearly covered the Naga's cost
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Neurosis posted:Model O wireless is out now - didn't see anyone post about it. I imagine it'll be a safer buy now than the original run of Model Os were, since most of the parts of the wireless will be identical (unless there was some huge redesign of the internals that was necessary). Probably a safe choice for people who like ambi shapes. It's 69 grams, which is nice, and US$80, which isn't bad. I would guess the internals are totally different and only the shell is similar. Using a sensor not designed for wireless is a recipe for poo poo battery life. Im waiting for the model D wireless personally. No idea if its even planned but I hope so
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I've been experiencing wrist pain in my mousing hand recently. Like a lot of people, I'm using my computer all the drat time due to COVID so the cause seems pretty obvious. I both work from home and use my computer for recreation, all using the same mouse. I am currently using a Logitech G903, which is an utterly standard style mouse. For work, I want to try a vertical mouse or trackball to see if it relieves the pain. A few questions: 1) Is there any good literature to help me decide between a vertical mouse, trackball, and vertical trackball? I am looking for a health perspective, I am sure all three designs will be just fine from a computing perspective. An example health question I'd like answered: Logitech makes a trackball where your hand rests at 20 degrees, Kensington makes one where your hand rests at 60 degrees. Does this make a health difference? 2) Any of you have personal experience with mousing wrist pain, vertical mice, trackballs, etc. that might help? I've already ordered a Kensington Pro Fit Ergo Vertical Wireless Trackball (K75326WW) just to quickly try something, but I want to learn more and am willing to try others if it's likely to work better (again, from a health perspective) than this one. Chimp_On_Stilts fucked around with this message at 08:34 on Nov 17, 2020 |
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I had wrist problems a while back. Sharp pain after mousing for a bit. I tried vertical mice as well as trackballs. Vertical mice helped in the short term but the problem returned after a while. Trackballs were fine, both finger and thumb ones. I ended up feeling fatigue in my fingers and thumb though. For me, the solution was to switch to a lighter mouse, not grip the mouse so tightly, lower the dpi/sensitivity, and adjust my ergonomics. I feel like either of the above solutions would have been fine for me if I started with better ergonomics, posture to start. I worked with a few people who swore by trackballs though, so it really seems to be a personal preference. You might not know you like them until you give it a shot.
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Trackballs are also orientation-independent, so if you get one you can just try it at all sorts of angles to see what you like best.
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Pollyanna posted:Anyone know how well the Logitech M705 works with USB switches? I want to put the unifying receiver into a USB switch so I can switch between using my mouse on my PC and on my Macbook (when it's plugged into the switch). I've tried to connect the mouse to my MPB via a Caldigit TS3 hub, but it didn't work - I needed to attach it directly via a USB->T3 adapter. Bumping this. Anyone have insight on the matter? Maybe I should upgrade to a Bluetooth mouse or something???
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Pollyanna posted:Bumping this. Anyone have insight on the matter? Maybe I should upgrade to a Bluetooth mouse or something??? I have a TS3+ and used it for awhile but abandoned it due to an issue with multiple displays and my work laptop, a HP Elitebook. When something was plugged into the downstream TB port, the laptop would fail to boot. Caldigit’s response was well we’ll try to fix it but that will require us to acquire one. That said, related to your problem, I also noticed it didn’t behave as expected with wake on USB, like hit a key on the keyboard to wake the laptop though wake on LAN worked well. Docks, can’t live with them can’t live without.
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K8.0 posted:largely because everyone is running switches at voltages below spec which causes early failure. Can you expand on this? How would running at a lower voltage damage a switch? At least in this context where its not controlling power flow that'd have to increase amperage to maintain wattage. Also why would at least wired mice be lowering voltages? I could obviously see a reason for wireless mice but not wired.
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The Electronaut posted:I have a TS3+ and used it for awhile but abandoned it due to an issue with multiple displays and my work laptop, a HP Elitebook. When something was plugged into the downstream TB port, the laptop would fail to boot. Caldigit’s response was well we’ll try to fix it but that will require us to acquire one. That said, related to your problem, I also noticed it didn’t behave as expected with wake on USB, like hit a key on the keyboard to wake the laptop though wake on LAN worked well. Docks, can’t live with them can’t live without. That’s as much as I need to know. gently caress it then, I’ll probably just skip the dock entirely for everything but power.
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Pollyanna posted:That’s as much as I need to know. gently caress it then, I’ll probably just skip the dock entirely for everything but power. Sorry! Before you abandon ship, try updating the dock's firmware. It did work fine for me with a number of USB devices, just the wake on USB piece never worked. I used it primarily with an Elecom trackball and it's wireless dongle just fine for a while. I still have the dock boxed up, if I remember tonight, I'll pull it out and do a test run, I think I have some Logitech devices that use that wireless dongle. I do also have a Macbook Pro. Worst case, I'd suggest reaching out to Caldigit, they were responsive but I think the Thunderbolt + Windows laptop wasteland of compatibility was the line.
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wolrah posted:Can you expand on this? How would running at a lower voltage damage a switch? At least in this context where its not controlling power flow that'd have to increase amperage to maintain wattage. This guy made the best set of arguments anyone has made about why mice are failing. It's not that lowering voltage damages a switch. It would be expected that most failed switches would work fine in their spec voltage range. As switches wear (all physical and electrical actuation causes damage to switches), they become less reliable outside their design parameters. Aggressive debouncing (as is typically found in gaming mice to keep latency down) is also likely a major factor, and there are some other factors as well such as the potentially lower quality if the switches being used etc.
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GPW Superlight announcement today- if you're into paying exorbitant amounts.
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Pollyanna posted:That’s as much as I need to know. gently caress it then, I’ll probably just skip the dock entirely for everything but power. I tried the following setup: Caldigit TS3 + firmware 44.1, a Logitech K400 Plus that uses the Unifying receiver, Macbook Pro macOS 10.15.7. Tried the front USB A port as well as one of the ones on the back of the dock, all of them worked fine for the mouse and keyboard functions of this keyboard. Sorry, I don't have a USB switch on hand.
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