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The tier lists in this game are especially dumb, because they're written from a standard RPG gacha perspective and this game is, at best, barely an RPG. Its like trying to rank Dante vs Bayonetta, or making your Street Fighter tierlist based on how much DPS Chun-Li does without concern to her moveset and framedata. I remember the same thing happening when MHW came out and all the weirdo MMO streamers started making videos for that game with no previous monhan experience
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The demand for tier lists is very high because you have to invest so much into each character. You're going to be fighting an uphill battle with Kaeya main DPS vs Razor main DPS so I'm sympathetic to them. Like if people didn't discuss the metagame at all nobody would know about Crescent Pike Xiangling. It's fine making and using tier lists (especially tier lists by role) if you go to the effort of understanding why each character is where they are.
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Nov 16, 2020 01:36
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Also the game isn't Pvp so it's not like theres matchups between characters or psychological aspects, it can easily come down to raw DPS, utility and healing
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Nov 16, 2020 01:44
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Quetzadilla posted:Abyss 7-1 has drained my will to live. I literally went to floor 11 after clearing 7 because it was that much of a learning curve.
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Nov 16, 2020 01:49
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TV Zombie posted:I just got a Beidou and all I could think of was that I wanted a wind character. I already have Razor, Lisa, Fischl and my protagonist is already a geo. You can now get the Fantastic Four secret achievement though. 10 primogems! Cha-ching! (Complete a domain with four characters of the same element type)
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Nov 16, 2020 01:53
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Batigh posted:Hey, y'all, anyone have advice for dodging the Oceanid's water bombs? I-framing through them with bursts prevents the damage just fine, but it doesn't seem to count as 'not getting hit' for the new achievement. The water bombs have a very thin ground level vertical hitbox, so you can jump over the blast wave, or jump/plunge attack into the water so you're underneath it. Getting the timing right for either of these is pretty hard though. You can also use the dash iframe (easiest to do if you dash directly into the wave) although I'm not 100% sure whether or not that will count for the achievement since the burst iframes don't seem to. The cheater easymode way is to have venti and use his hold skill to just float in the air.
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Nov 16, 2020 01:53
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Bland posted:It's very generous of you to assume they're obsessed with Keqing for gameplay reasons. He specifically mentions not wanting to level up weapons/artifacts for "some C-tier unit," so he's probably unwilling to invest in any 4* or something.
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Nov 16, 2020 01:53
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MarcusSA posted:Yeah I dunno if I agree with this. a 2 level deficit shouldn't be giving you that much trouble unless you're behind in other areas like artifacts or talents, which then would be your priority for investment instead of levels. most of my combat in that WL was just using a C1 Razor superconductor team with 4* weapons so it's not like i was throwing ridiculous 5* stuff at it either.
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Nov 16, 2020 01:54
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Mailer posted:It does kind of feel like a character everyone but me has. I guess if I'd started a month earlier I could just buy him, but meh. Given who has appeared so far I'm praying and saving for a Xiao/Bennet banner in January. I think pulling a 5* can get you starglitter, so you might get supply bonuses at unexpected times. Pulling Skyward Harp this morning got me 10x, so now I just need a single 4* dupe to have enough glitter for Bennett. Makes up for loving up and spending 15-20 glitter on fates in October. Bad, bad move.
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Nov 16, 2020 02:10
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Is there any data on drop rates? I am mainly wondering if higher level mobs have better drops within the same world level eg. a 68 hilichurl being more likely to drop a blue than a 61.
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Nov 16, 2020 02:12
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On my jump from WL3 to 5 I just made sure my main dps (razor) had levels and a ascended leveled weapon. Did some artifact boosting too to give him more Atk%. To me leveling weapons/artifacts are a bit nicer than sinking too much into characters cause the weapons/artis can get swapped around (or fed to better things) I know I'm having a decent enough time just bopping around the world and doing the story so I'm not worrying myself about a super deep abyss team. Maybe later. Oceanid can still gently caress right off tho.
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Nov 16, 2020 02:16
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Tae posted:
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Nov 16, 2020 02:27
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YoshiOfYellow posted:It's especially pointless in this game anyways given the difficulty is very low and even in Abyss which is the current top end content people have taken only freebie basic bitches and cleared. Who has done that? Tier lists are good because it gives people a quick reference for the current understanding of who is good or not. This is important in a game based around investing resources.
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Nov 16, 2020 02:28
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No Wave posted:It's fine making and using tier lists (especially tier lists by role) if you go to the effort of understanding why each character is where they are. If you already know that, then there's no point in you reading lists.  This game in particular would require a mountain of conditionals to define anyone. Unless you're turbowhaling you don't get to pick your team anyway. The guy running a Chongyun carry thinks XQ is S tier and my XQ is covered in dust. I'm sure for a lot of people Fischl is warming the bench but I was super stoked to pull her.
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Pain of Mind posted:Is there any data on drop rates? I am mainly wondering if higher level mobs have better drops within the same world level eg. a 68 hilichurl being more likely to drop a blue than a 61. for ascension mats there's definitely a cutoff at 60: 60 and above will get you stuff like 3* arrowheads and 4* knives for artifacts I think it's actually based on region: at WL4 I was getting 4* artifacts from minibosses in Liyue but only 3* artifacts from Monstadt. At WL5 I can get 4* artifacts from both, but Liyue still seems to give more 4*s. The odds for an artifact to drop from a miniboss don't change much though, it looks to me like it's around 10% Flavahbeast fucked around with this message at 02:37 on Nov 16, 2020 |
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Oh hey, new thread title! And the answer to it is that the word that was translated as "Allogene" (that is, Vision-bearer) in English is Genshin (原神) in Japanese. (It means something like Fundamental Divinity or Fundamental Spirit).
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CJ posted:Who has done that?
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Nov 16, 2020 02:38
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Lisa is bad. Lots of players cannot evaluate why (and it takes dozens of hours to know why exactly Lisa is bad, ie, her scaling is bad and her E is not good for generating reactions). How can they know to avoid investing resources in her if they do want to clear the hardest content in the game at some point? Somehow this entire thread all knew to invest in Fishl and Crescent Pike Xiangling, is everyone here guilty of metagaming as well? In any game you have an easier time with a party of at least average strength because that's what gets designed around. You'll notice that tier lists for Genshin are exceptionally generous with half of the characters in the game being A or S tier.
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Nov 16, 2020 02:43
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but from the basis of "everyone can be good" it's still important to have some indication of how much work it actually takes to make x character good, because they are far from equal in that regard. i'm not going to pretend every tierlist is made from this pov, but it just so happens even something dumb like the genshin.gg one falls along that basic line of how the high-tier characters are powerful/useful with less investment than your Ambers and Lisas
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Nov 16, 2020 02:44
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I identified Lisa is bad when I stumbled like an idiot through her introduction dungeon and could barely fight off slimes when the game asked me to.
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Nov 16, 2020 02:47
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Interested in some team building / rolling advice Current team I'm using is Xiangling (c1, DPS with crescent pike), Bennett c0, Xingqiu c0, and Anemo MC. I feel like I'm doing okay so far at AR33 but am not very far in to the spiral abyss (haven't cleared floor 4 yet) Other characters I have are Noelle c0, Ningguang c1, Kaeya c1 plus the free Barbara c1. I still have ~7500 primogems to roll but I don't even know what I should be shooting for. My plan is to swap out Anemo MC for Fischl when I get her during the event. Aside from that, I'm not sure what characters in this banner or the next banner would help or make a better team for me. I have enough primos to hit pity but I'm not sure if either Tartaglia or Zhongli would be good for me. So if anyone has team building advice I'm interested!
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Flavahbeast posted:for ascension mats there's definitely a cutoff at 60: 60 and above will get you stuff like 3* arrowheads and 4* knives I knew about the cutoff at 60, I was just wondering if the % chance at a higher level drop increased based on level. I find I preferentially kill groups of mobs that are 65+ over 60-64 when I run by, but I don't know if there is any reason for that. For artifact drops do you mean the ones that cost resin, or just the big hilichurl types? For the former I have not noticed a difference based on region. Also, Sunday is nice because you barely need to play, can either quickly burn resin on weekly bosses if you saved them or just make condensed resin for later.
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ThePineapple posted:Interested in some team building / rolling advice No Wave fucked around with this message at 02:54 on Nov 16, 2020 |
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Nov 16, 2020 02:51
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hit button posted:The water bombs have a very thin ground level vertical hitbox, so you can jump over the blast wave, or jump/plunge attack into the water so you're underneath it. Getting the timing right for either of these is pretty hard though. You can also use the dash iframe (easiest to do if you dash directly into the wave) although I'm not 100% sure whether or not that will count for the achievement since the burst iframes don't seem to. Venti cheese worked perfectly, many thanks!
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No Wave posted:Somehow this entire thread all knew to invest in Fishl and Crescent Pike Xiangling, is everyone here guilty of metagaming as well? In any game you have an easier time with a party of at least average strength because that's what gets designed around. You'll notice that tier lists for Genshin are exceptionally generous with half of the characters in the game being A or S tier. Anyway I never said never look at tierlists or any other information on this game, but they are so far removed from the reality of playing it that you'd be crazy to live or die based on what you read in them, like that Keqing obsessed weirdo that started this whole conversation.
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That dude did not want Keqing because of meta...
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CJ posted:Who has done that? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCmN_xza_Hs Here's one example of someone doing an in-depth overview of their team for Floor 7 as well as the actual clear. The only wild card here is Bennett, because the Beginner Banner will spit out Noelle and one other random 4* for you. Everyone else he shows is given to you for free. Xiangling comes from clearing Floor 3 of the Abyss which is very low difficulty and Barbara is given to you for free at AR18. You'll also notice that Amber, Noelle, Kaeya, and Bennett are all below level 20 in this video too.
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Zhongli is weeks away just pull now if you've haven't blown your leveling stash. It is kinda weird that Childe's story mission isn't till a40 but its likely people pull him much earlier if they are starting. He plays uniquely and maybe that isn't great for everyone but if you pull him I'm sure you can get used to it!
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Nov 16, 2020 03:00
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No Wave posted:That dude did not want Keqing because of meta...
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YoshiOfYellow posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCmN_xza_Hs He should have no problem clearing it at AR50 though, that much is true.
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Nov 16, 2020 03:06
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kater posted:Zhongli is weeks away just pull now if you've haven't blown your leveling stash. This is poor impulse control and bad advice. If you're not whaling a lot, you will have to pick and choose which 5*s you want, you will not be able to get to pity (and especially not double-pity) on all of them. Waiting a couple of weeks or even months for the banner you want is the smart thing to do. Primogens don't expire, you'll end up with the exact same number of 4* and 5* rolls no matter when you use them. So use them on what you want the most, not what's available at the moment because you're bored. If a banner appears and you don't have primogems saved up, you will have to spend over $300 to guarantee the 5* character from that banner. If that doesn't sound like your jam, then save up for the banners you want. Ashenai fucked around with this message at 03:14 on Nov 16, 2020 |
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the keqing guy absolutely started playing the game, discovered his waifu later, and then sunk cost prevented him from rerolling. he then thought "surely she'll have a rate-up eventually" and now hes unable to play the game. theres an additional sunk cost of "im gonna wait on that banner" that is preventing him from investing in units that would allow him to level up and earn more currency to roll on that fated rate-up and also to generate more mats so he could max her out instantly by the time it came. tl;dr human psychology is really cruel
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I think double pity is crazy. Building up 22k primogems is an insane amount, it means you're planning on rolling on a banner and collecting ridiculous amounts of constellations for 4*s you don't even know you'll want. Imo it's better to plan for single pity and be happy if you get off-rate (because the off-rate 5*s are all kind of amazing), especially for the first few months you're playing so you can build up a roster that can handle weird abyss situations. I'm planning on putting 30-50 rolls on each banner so I can choose which of the two 5*s to roll for in each banner cycle by timing my pity. This actually lines up very well with the total amount of primos you get with Welkin+BP. No Wave fucked around with this message at 03:14 on Nov 16, 2020 |
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Ashenai posted:Oh hey, new thread title! And the answer to it is that the word that was translated as "Allogene" (that is, Vision-bearer) in English is Genshin (原神) in Japanese. (It means something like Fundamental Divinity or Fundamental Spirit). Not Japanese, so take this with a grain of salt, but the connotations of the prefix 原 also seem to center around the idea of the thing attached to it being the primitive, unrefined form of something else. One of the possible meanings my dictionary lists for it is "raw", for instance, but it's raw in the sense of something unprocessed, not something fresh and alive—raw cotton (原綿), raw materials (原料), crude oil (原油). I think this matches up with what we've been told about Vision bearers having the potential to enter Celestia—they're the unrefined, "rough" forms of gods, like uncut gemstones or unspun wool.
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Yeah if you're not whaling you can't really guarantee any particular 5*, 180 rolls is just not a reasonable amount to save up. But you can at least make sure you hit pity on banners you want.
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No Wave posted:Tartaglia + Bennett has been very good for me so far. He can pair well with Fishl too. If you don't like how he plays don't roll for him ofc, he's a pretty weird character, but from what I've seen the next few upcoming characters are oddballs as well. I suppose I should do his trial thing then, but from what I read Tartaglia is hit or miss. Agree that the next banner also seems weird though, although maybe Zhongli would pair well with Ningguang? I don't even know if Zhongli is supposed to be a carry. I know at some point I'll have to set up two teams for the abyss so maybe it's worth trying to find / invest in a second carry?
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homeless snail posted:If he was horny for her he'd have whaled, horny beats meta every time unless you reroll repeatedly until you get her, pulling even a c0 Keqing costs an average of $1856.25. Also, rolling is actually more expensive in a lot of lower income countries long story short, you'll want to set aside about 3 months salary if you earn an average wage in Brazil or Russia and you want to whale for a C0 Keqing
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As my Childe is underleveled, I used him for the most appropriate quest I could think of as Barbara was out hunting boar.
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Flavahbeast posted:unless you reroll repeatedly until you get her, pulling even a c0 Keqing costs an average of $1856.25. Also, rolling is actually more expensive in a lot of lower income countries Even in Canada we get screwed a bit on the exchange. Biggest pack is 139.99 and CAD to USD is ~0.76.
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ThePineapple posted:I suppose I should do his trial thing then, but from what I read Tartaglia is hit or miss. Agree that the next banner also seems weird though, although maybe Zhongli would pair well with Ningguang? I don't even know if Zhongli is supposed to be a carry. Deciding on a second carry was definitely the hardest decision in the game for me. Razor is on rate up next banner (allegedly) so that could be another option - if I didn't own Keqing I'd be using him for sure.
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