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Cybernetic Vermin posted:tbqh i think a lot of the more fervent fans are a bit deflated with the m1 news lol you think so, huh?
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:tbqh i think a lot of the more fervent fans are a bit deflated with the m1 news, since it appears less magically beastly and more like a zen3-tier processor built with a better and more expensive process. but that was probably always the best possible outcome, there likely is no real leap forward to be made in design that'd let anyone get miles ahead of everyone else. a zen3 draws 100 watts and requires constant active cooling. an m1 draws 10 watts for both the cpu and gpu and operates in a fanless MacBook Air. edit: sorry, 10 watts also includes the RAM. The Management fucked around with this message at 15:19 on Nov 18, 2020 |
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Nov 18, 2020 15:16
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The Management posted:a zen3 draws 100 watts and requires constant active cooling. an m1 draws 10 watts for both the cpu and gpu and operates in a fanless MacBook Air. going by anand the m1 draws in the realm of 20-24w (10w is listed there too, but for single-threaded loads) and on spec 2017 will usually beat a 15w zen3 laptop chip, but be beaten by a 35w zen3 laptop chip. not that i know those estimates are correct or fully representative, but the ballpark seems to be in that realm. it's all pretty messy as of yet, and i suspect that the advantage on thermals are very substantial when analyzed a bit more finely. taking the comparison to be 10w vs. 100w is nonsense though. Cybernetic Vermin fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Nov 18, 2020 |
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Nov 18, 2020 15:24
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okay, let’s go with 24w for cpu+gpu+ram vs 35w for cpu alone.
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well, 27w was the actual value, they were knocking some off to try to make it more comparable. also of course the zen3 laptop chips have gpus as well, and generally i don't expect idle gpus to draw much.
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Nov 18, 2020 15:34
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either way it seems absolutely great, best-in-class. my observation was precisely that some of the enthusiasm evaporated when it became a matter of slicing the numbers a bit to see where it is better instead of going "2.5x" or whatever the number was.
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Nov 18, 2020 15:39
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to the extent that there is any disappointment i suspect it is because this first batch of chips is aimed squarely at the low end, which while it makes perfect sense on a lot of levels from apples point of view, means that the performance numbers have been hobbled by the choice of machines they are being put into people were hoping they would see some numbers that would melt everyones face off but that looks like it will have to wait until sometime next year when full desktop machines running m1x/m1z/m2 chips are introduced
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Nov 18, 2020 15:51
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The M1 chip makes Samsung and other vendors of ARM chips look pretty rear end right now, the catch up race will be interesting.
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Nov 18, 2020 15:51
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hmmm.... only $250 and 0.2lbs difference. the dimensions are effectively the same. active cooling. looks like i will be getting the pro. (probably in silver because it was what stebe chose and that guy knows whats good).
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Nov 18, 2020 15:51
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see I looked at the same things and it was obvious that the air was better. not gonna pay extra for the awful touchbar experience and constant fan noise when I can pay less money and get touch typing
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Nov 18, 2020 15:54
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FMguru posted:to the extent that there is any disappointment i suspect it is because this first batch of chips is aimed squarely at the low end, which while it makes perfect sense on a lot of levels from apples point of view, means that the performance numbers have been hobbled by the choice of machines they are being put into the mac pro chip will be extremely interesting, since i find it pretty believable that apple will want to show off there (if the product line is to survive at all). with their thermals it is pretty practical to pack a lot of cores onto a very expensive chip to make something really silly. and tbqh that might actually sell even at fantastic cost, some places will after all pay a pretty massive premium for whatever is the most general compute you can cram onto one chip.
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Nov 18, 2020 15:57
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the mac pro is definitely the place to do that. the question is, will it work with any existing pcie stuff or will it require a whole new device ecosystem for add-ons, because if ti does, lol.
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infernal machines posted:the mac pro is definitely the place to do that. the question is, will it work with any existing pcie stuff or will it require a whole new device ecosystem for add-ons, because if ti does, lol.
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drivers for sure, but i was thinking more efi compatibility, since it doesn't have efi any more
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brand new dgpu form factors!
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Soricidus posted:see I looked at the same things and it was obvious that the air was better. not gonna pay extra for the awful touchbar experience and constant fan noise when I can pay less money and get touch typing
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Nov 18, 2020 16:22
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pro as in profoundly bad
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:the mac pro chip will be extremely interesting, since i find it pretty believable that apple will want to show off there (if the product line is to survive at all). with their thermals it is pretty practical to pack a lot of cores onto a very expensive chip to make something really silly. and tbqh that might actually sell even at fantastic cost, some places will after all pay a pretty massive premium for whatever is the most general compute you can cram onto one chip. can't wait to see apple rip threads
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Zam Wesell posted:anyone got an ETA for the M2 macs realistically apple could be on the yearly iphone refresh cycle now which is nice
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Nov 18, 2020 16:35
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im waiting for the m2
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kitten emergency posted:im waiting for the m2 same, even tho the m1 is impressive af
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Zam Wesell posted:same, even tho the m1 is impressive af clearly you are not a ~pro
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the remaining ten macintosh professional users, crying: apple, please release a chip that will require our professional desktop, performance-intensive apps to run through a comparability later and rely on first-generation device drivers. PLEASE!
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FCKGW posted:realistically apple could be on the yearly iphone refresh cycle now which is nice the MacBooks will probably go yearly like the iphones. lesser selling macs will probably be on a 1.5-2 year cycle like iPads.
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Soricidus posted:see I looked at the same things and it was obvious that the air was better. not gonna pay extra for the awful touchbar experience and constant fan noise when I can pay less money and get touch typing according to wsj the fan doesn't kick in until you actually need it. so for most of regular use there is no difference. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT8B1zlsAc0 as for the touchbar. it sucks but i can live with it :/ e: also who the gently caress touch types the f keys? are you a cashier or something?
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Best Bi Geek Squid posted:the remaining ten macintosh professional users, crying: apple, please release a chip that will require our professional desktop, performance-intensive apps to run through a comparability later and rely on first-generation device drivers. PLEASE! the "pro" part of mac pro is to make your office look "professional"
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hobbesmaster posted:the "pro" part of mac pro is to make your office look "professional" literally a thing, wasn't part of the whole powermac thing getting colleges and offices to put them on top of the desks as free advertising
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Nov 18, 2020 17:42
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Yep that's why they made the keyboard cables 18 inches long.
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Sagebrush posted:Yep that's why they made the keyboard cables 18 inches long. keyboards don't have cables
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qirex posted:keyboards don't have cables
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Endless Mike posted:do ipad keyboard cases count as "wireless"? They do count as wireless but they don’t count as keyboards unless maybe it’s on one of the cafeteria tray models.
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This is my first Macbook (Air) ever, coming from an XPS 13 9380 w/ 8GB RAM. Chrome is a tiny bit hitchy. I'm currently waiting for the ARM version of Chrome to come out (hopefully today). It's currently cold here, and I'm used to warming my hands up a bit on the bottom of the XPS; this is no longer possible on the mac. The warmth on the bottom plate feels like I just laid my hand there for 30 seconds.
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Shinku ABOOKEN posted:according to wsj the fan doesn't kick in until you actually need it. so for most of regular use there is no difference. lol that even the WSJ has succumbed to goofy face / pose / color youtube video thumbnails
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Hed posted:lol that even the WSJ has succumbed to goofy face / pose / color youtube video thumbnails [img-uber-driver-sucked-me-off]
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Nov 18, 2020 18:37
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gotta catch the eye of those zany millennials 
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you can still buy an ipod
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Gonna Send It posted:This is my first Macbook (Air) ever, coming from an XPS 13 9380 w/ 8GB RAM.
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Shinku ABOOKEN posted:according to wsj the fan doesn't kick in until you actually need it. so for most of regular use there is no difference. yeah I’m not gonna trust an apple product with a fan to be quiet after experiencing literally any other mbp ever Shinku ABOOKEN posted:e: also who the gently caress touch types the f keys? are you a cashier or something? idk what to tell you I just really like to be able to do stuff like step through a debugger without having to take my eyes off the screen 🤷
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Kenny Logins posted:how much ram did you get op, 8 or 16? 8GB  12 chrome tabs 
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