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fart simpson posted:the vegans i am friends with say they wouldn’t be opposed to eggs or dairy if they knew the source farm actually treated their animals well. they say yes it’s possible but lol at trusting anything you find in the supermarket
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you could be one of those whackos buying unpasteurised milk straight from the farm and subsequently making GBS threads your guts out after you get a contaminated batch
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:i don't like my penis. it's coarse, and rough, and irritating, and it gets everywhere. Stop spreading your midichlorians all over the place it's disgusting
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my two year old just stops drinking milk if we go to the grocery store for it instead of that sweet Kirkland signature. same milkfat and we usually fill out the kids’ cups out of site due to layout of kitchen. about to perform a double blind test to see how he does it
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President Beep posted:at least you’ll be re-membered for something beeeeeep
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Jabor posted:you could be one of those whackos buying unpasteurised milk straight from the farm and subsequently making GBS threads your guts out after you get a contaminated batch the story about them legalizing this in wv then all the lawmakers which voted for it getting sick was a preview of how the us would handle an actual pandemic
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for milk and eggs it’s true that the immediate production of them does not require killing an animal. but both of those come only from female animals. so you have to either destroy the males or rear them for slaughter. for chickens it’s pretty easy to get around this, you just need a machine to sex the eggs and then destroy the male eggs. that exists but is not widely used yet. for cows i don’t know if it’s possible to eliminate entirely the supply of excess calves. in order for a cow to produce milk it must have had a calf, and the cow will only produce milk for about 10 months after giving birth. so a dairy cow will produce several calves during its milking lifetime. so if your goal is to not slaughter animals for human use then chickens may be possible with a little technology, but for cows slaughter is just a necessary part of the cycle of producing milk.
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c reno s: finally got in a fixture that was covid-delayed so the basement bathroom is proceeding, followed by basement wfh office/covid isolation suite. just in time for cases spiking
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Don't kid yourself Jimmy, if a cow ever got the chance he'd eat you and everyone you cared about yes i know this is the episode about becoming a vegetarian
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Eeyo posted:for milk and eggs it’s true that the immediate production of them does not require killing an animal. but both of those come only from female animals. so you have to either destroy the males or rear them for slaughter. for chickens it’s pretty easy to get around this, you just need a machine to sex the eggs and then destroy the male eggs. that exists but is not widely used yet. Couldn't you could just use the boicows for leather?
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...that also kills the cow
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:i remember the first time i saw green yard eggs and congratulated my coworker for his neighbor's dr seuss chickens easter eggers rule and I really need to get around to building a coop behind the garage
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haveblue posted:...that also kills the cow Yeah but this way you can get jackets and boots.
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Eeyo posted:so if your goal is to not slaughter animals for human use then chickens may be possible with a little technology, but for cows slaughter is just a necessary part of the cycle of producing milk. that is also how we ended up eating veal because if you're not raising it to adulthood for leather they use tons of resources the problem, of course, is when we started specifically producing veal at industrial scale
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as always just dialing back how much meat, milk and eggs you eat is pretty doable and gets most of the positive effects while not really missing out on a whole lot.
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:as always just dialing back how much meat, milk and eggs you eat is pretty doable and gets most of the positive effects while not really missing out on a whole lot. eggs i don’t eat anyway and there’s less to be gained there but sure w/e micromanage your egg use too while you’re at it
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let's talk about the carbon foot-print of metal butter knives
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my butter knife sequesters carbon by being made of carbon steel
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PokeJoe posted:my butter knife sequesters carbon by being made of carbon steel normal butter knives are carboniferous, fer means steel, so same. checkmate, athestits 
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PokeJoe posted:my coworker from the south who used to work in a chicken farm told me about the quest for breeding the olive eggers that lots of people do in college i had a friend who was from a rural part of maryland and knew chicken farmers. he said it's quite lucrative, they make like 200k, and you barely have to do any work. the chickens come in on the tyson truck as babies, you raise them to adults, and then they leave on the tyson truck again. the chickens live in a giant warehouse full of cages and everything is computer controlled and automated. all the farmer has to do is walk through once in a while and pull out the dead ones he majored in math and is now a computer toucher. hard to say if this is worse or better
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DELETE CASCADE posted:in college i had a friend who was from a rural part of maryland and knew chicken farmers. he said it's quite lucrative, they make like 200k, and you barely have to do any work. the chickens come in on the tyson truck as babies, you raise them to adults, and then they leave on the tyson truck again. the chickens live in a giant warehouse full of cages and everything is computer controlled and automated. all the farmer has to do is walk through once in a while and pull out the dead ones what tyson did with chickenization is the original ‘uber for X’ re: contracting, risk, etc.
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DELETE CASCADE posted:in college i had a friend who was from a rural part of maryland and knew chicken farmers. he said it's quite lucrative, they make like 200k, and you barely have to do any work. the chickens come in on the tyson truck as babies, you raise them to adults, and then they leave on the tyson truck again. the chickens live in a giant warehouse full of cages and everything is computer controlled and automated. all the farmer has to do is walk through once in a while and pull out the dead ones a lot of those factory farms were screwed by the pandemic. the farmers build the facilities and shoulder all of the financial risk, and if the company says "sorry no market for poultry right now, too bad" the farmers are hosed
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yeah i think he mentioned there is some type of exclusive contract so you are basically screwed if your one supplier doesn't wanna do business
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DELETE CASCADE posted:yeah i think he mentioned there is some type of exclusive contract so you are basically screwed if your one supplier doesn't wanna do business big time. tyson also controls absolutely all the parameters of the battery. feeling guilty because these animals will never see the sun or fresh air, or packed so closely that when they die they start cannibalizing each other? tough poo poo, some actuary determined the "correct" way to do this to maximize profit and you are not allowed to do anything to improve the absolutely horrid raising conditions because those variables are not approved.
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:big time. tyson also controls absolutely all the parameters of the battery. feeling guilty because these animals will never see the sun or fresh air, or packed so closely that when they die they start cannibalizing each other? tough poo poo, some actuary determined the "correct" way to do this to maximize profit and you are not allowed to do anything to improve the absolutely horrid raising conditions because those variables are not approved.
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oooookay. here we go!
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that’s illegal!!!
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oh gently caress how do i delete! srsly i'm freaking out here.
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President Beep posted:oooookay. here we go! please don't ferment your own piss, who do you think you are, the president of the united states of america???
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huffing beep jenkem to post better
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after i poured the must into that bottle there were these little granular thingies on the bottom of the pan and I immediately thought "ooooh! little honey crystals!" and ate some. nope. diammonium phosphate and food-grade urea that i'd added. 
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President Beep posted:oooookay. here we go! gross
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lmao. thank you. e: i'm gonna put that in my sig somehow.
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holy poo poo lol
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woah! lol. that's not gonna work.
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actually keep that just the way it is.
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jesus WEP posted:gross
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