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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Just walk away. From the whole subject. See SEE THIS IS WHAT I MEAN
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rotinaj posted:See i have no opinions on that person other than why the gently caress would you make a 28 minute youtube to talk about jordan petrson even making fun of him isn't worth that kind of effort
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Nov 29, 2020 05:56
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Slavoj Zizek works because he's both debunking and making a total mockery out of him, and the jorp alt right babies scream til theyre red in the face about how lobster daddy is smart and a real man manly man and eats all meat while dirtbag left is all lol this dude is a raccoon cursed by a witch to turn into a man and lives on cocaine
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Nov 29, 2020 06:15
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Inept posted:i have no opinions on that person other than why the gently caress would you make a 28 minute youtube to talk about jordan petrson i watched it even though i'm not really a fan, and she answers that question at the beginning of the video lol
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Nov 29, 2020 08:37
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rotinaj posted:Why is it that every time contrapoints comes up, it immediately turns into an argument about whether or not she is good or always bad The three main points of contention (that I've seen): 1) She's made several videos depicting a philosophical debate/discussion between characters representing several points of view, covering some touchy subjects like gender presentation and the like. The presentation was her usual over-the-top weirdness and humor, but without coming to a clear moral about anything, which leads some people to interpret these videos as making fun of or poo-pooing a particular side (usually the leftier one). She's stated that these videos are mostly just her chewing over the issues and the stances surrounding them. 2) She typed some stuff that she claims were self-deprecating jokes regarding nonbinary stuff, which came off pretty bad because tone does not come across well in text. She did not respond immediately when the entire universe dogpiled her and everyone who associates with her over it, instead taking some time to deal with suddenly being dogpiled by the entire universe. Some time later she gave a pretty short apology and a couple of videos trying to explain what happened, none of which really seemed to work in the eyes of people who were mad. 3) Her personal approach to chuds is education and debunking using the kind of philosophy and Facts And Logic(TM) some of them respond to, instead of punching. AFAIK she doesn't discourage punching, it's just not what she does. There's accusations of platforming chuds, though she's specifically changed how she operates to avoid that. Ultimately I think she just rubs a bunch of people the wrong way so they're not really comfortable giving her the benefit of the doubt with issues like the above.  I enjoy her stuff, personally, but I'm not a member of a group that would feel harmed by her, so yeah. (I also felt like her Jorp video was pretty weak)
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Nov 29, 2020 08:38
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Ben Burgis seems to have taken up the mantle of debating chuds on youtube using the 201 philosophy professor method. We’ll see how he does. It probably helps that he doesn’t have a brand or an audience already there, and that he doesn’t try to be entertaining or do youtube as his career.
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Nov 29, 2020 08:51
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rotinaj posted:Why is it that every time contrapoints comes up, it immediately turns into an argument about whether or not she is good or always bad It's because she talks a lot about topic(s) that are still 'under construction' societally, so to speak, so no matter what she says she will be wrong, bad and 'literally Hitler'. Also she had Buck Angel do a voice in one of her videos once, somebody who has been labeled a TERF and truscum so she is now a TERF and truscum by association.
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Nov 29, 2020 08:54
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rotinaj posted:Why is it that every time contrapoints comes up, it immediately turns into an argument about whether or not she is good or always bad It's because a middle-aged professor doing videos that are 30 minutes to two hours of introducing and explaining philosophical concepts to people doesn't gel well with the culture of places like Twitter and Tumblr Also because since she lives off of Patreon money there's no boss or manager to complain to or try to get her fired which just utterly breaks some peoples brains. Just watch one of her videos and if you're into it go from there. The Incel video is a really good starting point. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fD2briZ6fB0
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Nov 29, 2020 09:04
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I just didn't want to watch it because watching 30 mins of some YouTube person going over some poo poo that I already understand is wack.
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Nov 29, 2020 09:12
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I think a lot of people just like being mad at her at this point. It's cool to hate the popular girl and all that. Not that there aren't grievances, but come on, on the list of "lovely things left leaning youtubers have done", Contra's sins are pretty weaksauce.
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Nov 29, 2020 09:53
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Honestly it seems like people have had it out for her more or less since she first started, which I’ve never understood. People were accusing her of platforming nazis and of secretly being in it for the fame and being pals with sargon and blaire white behind the scenes and a bunch of other stuff. A lot of it just seems like self-sustaining outrage where people expect her to be bad or to misbehave and so take a lot of pretty mild stuff as additional examples of why she’s bad. Vocal detractors popped up wherever she was mentioned well before she came out as trans or began transitioning and had other reasons for criticizing her, even here on SA.
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Nov 29, 2020 10:09
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A lot of the online left/'left'-liberal centrist/woke crowd is basically one big game of Mean Girls where a lot of people seem convinced if you cancel someone you gain their clout Highlander style. The whole cancel culture mob is kind of real, but it's a circular firing squad 90% of the time (that's also about 90% well off white people with too much free time) especially since most of the people who actually want to make a difference realised they had to get out into the streets to do so.
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Nov 29, 2020 10:18
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I also think some of the leftist youtube ladies are harbouring some TERF views even if they aren't openly communicating them or even admitting them to themselves. A bit like "stay out of our space."
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Nov 29, 2020 10:24
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Ghost Leviathan posted:A lot of the online left/'left'-liberal centrist/woke crowd is basically one big game of Mean Girls where a lot of people seem convinced if you cancel someone you gain their clout Highlander style. The whole cancel culture mob is kind of real, but it's a circular firing squad 90% of the time (that's also about 90% well off white people with too much free time) especially since most of the people who actually want to make a difference realised they had to get out into the streets to do so. ooh can I try? Peter Coffin is dumb. Please join my patreon, i will send you a postcard 3 months after i promise to.
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Nov 29, 2020 10:42
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The funny part is that while the right caught onto that stereotype while it was still useful to them, they're literally incapable of discerning any further nuance or change, hence why they're completely dumbfounded by people who openly call themselves socialists, and actually hit back when assaulted, hence all the vacillating between mocking the weak ineffectual snowflake libs and hysterical crying about antifa supersoldiers. And what can you expect, looking at what their idea of an intellectual is.
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Nov 29, 2020 10:48
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I stopped watching Contra when she said something like, the only reason a woman wouldn’t wear makeup is to try and be a ‘cool girl’ to appeal to men, her proof being that even women in prison pay for makeup. Thought she’d crawled up her own rear end at that point. Didn’t seem like a joke and that opinion is just as bad as jorp’s makeup opinion
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Nov 29, 2020 11:14
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I’ll be willing to bet money that guy is loving seraph.
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Nov 29, 2020 11:52
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spouse posted:ooh can I try? Did Peter Coffin ever cop to making up that Canadian girlfriend?
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Nov 29, 2020 11:56
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Prism Mirror Lens posted:I stopped watching Contra when she said something like, the only reason a woman wouldn’t wear makeup is to try and be a ‘cool girl’ to appeal to men, her proof being that even women in prison pay for makeup. Thought she’d crawled up her own rear end at that point. Didn’t seem like a joke and that opinion is just as bad as jorp’s makeup opinion Yeah but aside from that one weird thing about makeup she seems to make a fair few good points. Most people arent right 100% of the time.
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Nov 29, 2020 12:03
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The_Continental posted:Yeah but aside from that one weird thing about makeup she seems to make a fair few good points. Most people arent right 100% of the time. yeah but if you're wrong even once then twitter will gleefully work together en masse to attempt to destroy you
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Nov 29, 2020 12:05
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Prism Mirror Lens posted:I stopped watching Contra when she said something like, the only reason a woman wouldn’t wear makeup is to try and be a ‘cool girl’ to appeal to men, her proof being that even women in prison pay for makeup. Thought she’d crawled up her own rear end at that point. Didn’t seem like a joke and that opinion is just as bad as jorp’s makeup opinion Also she has some very bizarre opinions re: fetishizing trans women.
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Nov 29, 2020 12:06
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Caesar Saladin posted:yeah but if you're wrong even once then twitter will gleefully work together en masse to attempt to destroy you Yeah im not on Twitter. It sucks. It seems like its 1,000,000 people who were voted "class clown" and/or "most likely to succeed" and internalized it all shouting into a microphone at once. No thanks.
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Nov 29, 2020 12:12
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rotinaj posted:Why is it that every time contrapoints comes up, it immediately turns into an argument about whether or not she is good or always bad It’s for the same reason jorp discussion is interesting and contentious - you have a group of people who feel like she speaks truths they’ve known but haven’t been able to express so they hang on her every word (me included, embarrassingly), and then you have a group of people who perceive her words and actions as being toxic and harmful to marginalized people and want her to leave the public eye, and then the first group gets mad at the second group for misunderstanding and mischaracterizing their edgy truth teller, and the second group gets mad at the first group for not taking the harm they perceive seriously. I’m not immune either so here’s my contribution to that dynamic. Prism Mirror Lens posted:I stopped watching Contra when she said something like, the only reason a woman wouldn’t wear makeup is to try and be a ‘cool girl’ to appeal to men, her proof being that even women in prison pay for makeup. Thought she’d crawled up her own rear end at that point. Didn’t seem like a joke and that opinion is just as bad as jorp’s makeup opinion I’ll just state off the bat that my brain is broken and I’ve watched each of her videos at least 3 times. The video you’re referring to is Beauty, and then it you’re talking about is at 13:48. Linked below. I really do think you misinterpreted her point in this bit. The point about prison makeup was to argue against the idea that makeup is used by women exclusively for the purpose of getting hosed by men (jorp relevant), saying that women use makeup in predominantly female spaces too. She doesn’t say anything about women not wearing makeup besides commenting on how men confuse light makeup and no makeup. So back to rotinaj’s point - I really don’t fully understand why I was compelled to spend like an hour of my life defending this internet person, but hopefully I scratched the surface a bit. It definitely isn’t healthy. https://youtu.be/n9mspMJTNEY
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Nov 29, 2020 13:28
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Nov 29, 2020 13:48
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I’m talking about the bit at 9:50 when she says people in male-dominated fields don’t wear makeup to “present more masculine to be taken seriously... but another part of it is clearly some kind of ‘not like other girls’ weird flex”. Those are the only two reasons she gives for women in academia/male-dominated fields not wearing makeup. And she’s talking about people she knows personally there. I found that really rude, short-sighted and dismissive. The rest of the video felt like an attempt to justify why she’s so obsessed with her own appearance by saying that it’s fine because every woman is and only women who are trying to ‘signal’ something aren’t. I don’t think she should be mega-twitter-cancelled or anything, it just highlighted how she and I don’t really have anything in common any more and I was increasingly finding her takes to be bad and just as rooted in stereotyping as jorp’s, just different stereotypes.
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Nov 29, 2020 14:00
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Prism Mirror Lens posted:I’m talking about the bit at 9:50 when she says people in male-dominated fields don’t wear makeup to “present more masculine to be taken seriously... but another part of it is clearly some kind of ‘not like other girls’ weird flex”. Those are the only two reasons she gives for women in academia/male-dominated fields not wearing makeup. And she’s talking about people she knows personally there. I found that really rude, short-sighted and dismissive. The rest of the video felt like an attempt to justify why she’s so obsessed with her own appearance by saying that it’s fine because every woman is and only women who are trying to ‘signal’ something aren’t. I don’t think she should be mega-twitter-cancelled or anything, it just highlighted how she and I don’t really have anything in common any more and I was increasingly finding her takes to be bad and just as rooted in stereotyping as jorp’s, just different stereotypes. yeah, you've lost me when you start talking about all womens behavior in generalities. "all women do THIS" is pretty much always a hot-take and worthless as far as analysis
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Who What Now posted:Just slam the close button on any of her videos whenever you hear the words "mouth feel" and you'll be spared the reason why a lot of trans people, especially trans women", don't like her. I feel like I need more information on this but also really don't.
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Nov 29, 2020 15:01
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Prism Mirror Lens posted:I’m talking about the bit at 9:50 when she says people in male-dominated fields don’t wear makeup to “present more masculine to be taken seriously... but another part of it is clearly some kind of ‘not like other girls’ weird flex”. Those are the only two reasons she gives for women in academia/male-dominated fields not wearing makeup. And she’s talking about people she knows personally there. I found that really rude, short-sighted and dismissive. The rest of the video felt like an attempt to justify why she’s so obsessed with her own appearance by saying that it’s fine because every woman is and only women who are trying to ‘signal’ something aren’t. I don’t think she should be mega-twitter-cancelled or anything, it just highlighted how she and I don’t really have anything in common any more and I was increasingly finding her takes to be bad and just as rooted in stereotyping as jorp’s, just different stereotypes. Hmm yeah listening to that part again youre right, I overlooked where you were referring to. She really does seem to be a shadow jorp in many ways. I guess I just see her takes on gender as being sort of essentialist but in a ‘don’t hate the player, hate the game’ sort of thing whereas jorp clearly implys you should love the game. Personally it works for me but it makes sense for it not to as well.
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Nov 29, 2020 15:09
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Ups_rail posted:
Rogan is the biggest booster of chuds and grifters in America today I'm going thru the Knowledge Fight podcast rn and the way he just acts as a platform and doormat for Alex Jones is loving infuriating. Rogan knows what he's doing and doesnt care
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Nov 29, 2020 15:12
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I found these explanations very interesting and answered my question far better than I expected. Thanks, y’all!
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Nov 29, 2020 15:20
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Sunswipe posted:I feel like I need more information on this but also really don't. Who What Now posted:Also she has some very bizarre opinions re: fetishizing trans women.
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Nov 29, 2020 15:21
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Caesar Saladin posted:I also think some of the leftist youtube ladies are harbouring some TERF views even if they aren't openly communicating them or even admitting them to themselves. "Some people don't think they're transphobic, but I know they secretly are, I won't say who I think it is or what the evidence for that would be" Thanks for this great, informative, factual analysis that was totally worth sharing!
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Nov 29, 2020 16:33
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More like Jorstin Bieberson, because I desperately want to clap those canadian cheeks
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Nov 29, 2020 16:34
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Shageletic posted:Rogan knows what he's doing A bold assertion.
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Nov 29, 2020 17:16
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The best stuff to came out if Jorgan is Dal Bilzerian claiming that he won 51 million dollars in one poker game (or was it a year, idk?).
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Nov 29, 2020 17:24
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The_Continental posted:Yeah im not on Twitter. It sucks. It seems like its 1,000,000 people who were voted "class clown" and/or "most likely to succeed" and internalized it all shouting into a microphone at once. No thanks. 
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Nov 29, 2020 19:23
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lol 30 minute videos about dorks by dorks for dorks
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Nov 29, 2020 19:32
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Yea, I’m a dork influencer, what of it?
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Nov 29, 2020 19:39
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runnypoops posted:lol 30 minute videos about dorks by dorks for dorks I was grossly underestimating how much Youtube videos made per view, apparently, it's like up to 5000 freedom buckaroos per 1 million views. I was thinking like in the range of hundreds. Jorp is technically a job creator since video dunking on him gather easily 2+ mil views and add that sweet sweet Patreon money on top and you got some good gravy train going on. Hence why there are more and more "dunking" videos crop up the moment people like Jorp or Dan Bilzerian do something.
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Thank you for somehow both giving me more information and yet not.
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