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Jimbot posted:I half-remember their review but they're of the opinion that superhero films need to be made a certain way and that way is the way Marvel does it Look you're always free and clear to call them hack frauds its fine. Some times they're right, some times Mike and Rich think John Carpenter is massively overrated.
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Burkion posted:Look you're always free and clear to call them hack frauds its fine. Wait , really? I thought Carpenter would be extremely their poo poo.
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Nov 29, 2020 23:24
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hump day bitches! posted:Wait , really? I thought Carpenter would be extremely their poo poo. Mike and Rich have not had nice things to say about him or his work. Jay is a big fan though as are other members. People have weird opinions on things even when you think they'd go one way. People are weird
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I don't mind RLM because they come across as people who know they're just dudes with opinions on movies to me. Compare to the Dan Olsons of the world who act like an authority on film.
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Nov 29, 2020 23:30
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Roth posted:I don't mind RLM because they come across as people who know they're just dudes with opinions on movies to me. Yeah. They're hack frauds and they own that. They just joke about dumb movies and drink
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Nov 29, 2020 23:39
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Jimbot posted:I'd switch the Zod fight and World Engine fight and edit some of the later's fight down. But that's me being an armchair director. not to have a go, but how would that work? Detective No. 27 posted:JK Simmons is just jacked in general. I can't remember what movie he said he was on but he said he was the scrawniest dude there so he decided to get jacked ever since. It was Oz. apparently, after the first season, the entire cast, having seen themselves naked on camera, started getting really into going to the gym
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Nov 30, 2020 00:03
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Jimbot posted:I half-remember their review but they're of the opinion that superhero films need to be made a certain way and that way is the way Marvel does it Uhh check out some of their Marvel movie reviews, they're not particularly generous to the Marvel Movie Method.
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I remember them tepidly praising Infinity War for having a lot of characters and being coherent. I don't really watch them, but the plinkett Star Wars reviews basically amounted to "these movies are incorrectly assembled commercial products" (they even outline the plot formula that movies should stick to early on) and I just assumed they'd think the same way about something like BvS
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There's Marvel movies they like, and ones they don't. Like some kind of normal person.
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Jimbot posted:I half-remember their review but they're of the opinion that superhero films need to be made a certain way and that way is the way Marvel does it It's strange, because they often appreciate films defying expectations and lament by committee filmmaking, but are awfully hung up on superhero films needing to be "fun".
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Roth posted:There's Marvel movies they like, and ones they don't. No normal person could actually distinguish between them.
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Roth posted:"I've always felt like The Fountainhead was such a thesis on the creative process and what it is to create something," he said. I'm curious: is there a substantial argument against approaching the creation of art in such an uncompromising fashion?
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KVeezy3 posted:I'm curious: is there a substantial argument against approaching the creation of art in such an uncompromising fashion? Explosions tend to have collateral damage
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And compromising doesn't?
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KVeezy3 posted:And compromising doesn't? I guess you could say bombing a building is compromising, in a way 
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Burkion posted:Look you're always free and clear to call them hack frauds its fine. What on earth, I missed this. They're flat-out wrong with these opinions. Hack frauds. Space Fish posted:Uhh check out some of their Marvel movie reviews, they're not particularly generous to the Marvel Movie Method. These days they do, but back then they really enjoyed them. Snowman_McK posted:not to have a go, but how would that work? You can't really just flip them and call it a day, the structure would have to be done up. If it were me I would have had the Zod fight go as it had while the other kryptons focused on the cargo plane with Superman's ship, as to keep them from interfering. I think it would have up the stakes more and would have given a more accepted reason for "Superman punched Zod into a building" because the world engine is still flattening Metropolis and teraforming the planet. Instead of it being Superman having never thrown a punch or gotten into a fight before and he's battling someone clearly stronger than him - these, for some reason, aren't good reasons to online critics. The neck snap would still happen and he'd close control. Lois and maybe the family he saved would act as his island, he'd fly off to battle the world engine and the rest of it would go as it did in the theatrical release because Superman being powered by solidarity is one of the greatest sequences in any superhero film made. Jimbot fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Nov 30, 2020 |
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Just a note on that, at no point does Superman actually punch Zod through a building. He does scrape him up the side through the facade of one but never puts him through one
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I used to watch them a lot (just for laughs, not critique), and they mysteriously stopped liking Marvel around the time they started pushing Black Panther and Captain Marvel.
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John Wick of Dogs posted:Just a note on that, at no point does Superman actually punch Zod through a building. He does scrape him up the side through the facade of one but never puts him through one He kind of does- he launches Zod into one of the destroyed buildings at the start of the fight, then later he punches/throws him to the under-construction building, though I think that was just him going flying after an impact and ending up there rather than Clark specifically trying to get him there. Would be cool if it was though, as that would suggest Clark actually was trying to steer Zod away from people as much as possible
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Space Fish posted:Uhh check out some of their Marvel movie reviews, they're not particularly generous to the Marvel Movie Method. Honestly, even people who have been critical of the Marvel method wind up referring back to it when they criticize other superhero movies they don’t like. It’s a very weird trend.
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Pirate Jet posted:Honestly, even people who have been critical of the Marvel method wind up referring back to it when they criticize other superhero movies they don’t like. It’s a very weird trend. I think its just a reflection of what a monolith it is. Any other superhero films is described in comparison to it.
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AdmiralViscen posted:I used to watch them a lot (just for laughs, not critique), and they mysteriously stopped liking Marvel around the time they started pushing Black Panther and Captain Marvel. Those were both exceptionally on the nose in commercialised wokeness with apoligia for imperalism and the military industrial complex right under the surface, so that makes sense. Jimbot posted:You can't really just flip them and call it a day, the structure would have to be done up. If it were me I would have had the Zod fight go as it had while the other kryptons focused on the cargo plane with Superman's ship, as to keep them from interfering. I think it would have up the stakes more and would have given a more accepted reason for "Superman punched Zod into a building" because the world engine is still flattening Metropolis and teraforming the planet. Instead of it being Superman having never thrown a punch or gotten into a fight before and he's battling someone clearly stronger than him - these, for some reason, aren't good reasons to online critics. The neck snap would still happen and he'd close control. Lois and maybe the family he saved would act as his island, he'd fly off to battle the world engine and the rest of it would go as it did in the theatrical release because Superman being powered by solidarity is one of the greatest sequences in any superhero film made. I sort of see but i still don't get why you'd do this. What would be the gain in your mind? Sorry if it sounds like I'm having a go, it's genuinely nice to read some new thoughts on Man of Steel after 7 years of the sme ones.
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Snowman_McK posted:I sort of see but i still don't get why you'd do this. What would be the gain in your mind? The immediate threat is over with the world engine, so the Zod fight ends up being the emotional resolution. Having Superman recover from the depths by finding his island in the people he's saved then reinforcing it when he struggles against the world engine, you end on better emotional note that flows better with him rejecting the military and being a tool of their imperialism - he's there for the people not the institutions. The movie touches on taking leaps of faith and trusting in one another and while we see acts of solidarity and heroic sacrifice, making a more blatant connection with Superman would really hit the point home. We do see that connection throughout the film but having it at the climax would have been pretty good too. Would have been a nice arc with earlier in the film with him finding his island with his mom, but now he does so with us. It's like poetry, it rhymes.
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Jimbot posted:The immediate threat is over with the world engine, so the Zod fight ends up being the emotional resolution. Having Superman recover from the depths by finding his island in the people he's saved then reinforcing it when he struggles against the world engine, you end on better emotional note that flows better with him rejecting the military and being a tool of their imperialism - he's there for the people not the institutions. The movie touches on taking leaps of faith and trusting in one another and while we see acts of solidarity and heroic sacrifice, making a more blatant connection with Superman would really hit the point home. Interesting. I guess I already see the fight with zod as a rejection of the military and imperialism, since he's pretty specifically coded to be a mirror or later stage of the military. It's also a rejection of the singular in favour of protecting a random family.
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KVeezy3 posted:I'm curious: is there a substantial argument against approaching the creation of art in such an uncompromising fashion? Only in the sense of "if you don't compromise it won't get made", which is of course really just an argument for destroying capitalism.
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Snowman_McK posted:Those were both exceptionally on the nose in commercialised wokeness with apoligia for imperalism and the military industrial complex right under the surface, so that makes sense. It sure does. Too bad they used it (and other movies) to just rant about the concept of representation on its own
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Thing is with cynical woke branding is that a lot of people can tell it when they see it even if they don't necessarily know what it is. Most of the attacks on liberals revolve around them being insincere and hypocritical and it turns out for a lot of them (see Joss Whedon) that was absolutely accurate. Shazam doesn't get talked about enough.
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I loved Shazam. It's the closest to the Marvel formula of the DC movies, but it works for the character. And it lacks the cynicism of an MCU film. It was also funny that Djimon Hounsou was in both Shazam and Captain Marvel, a week apart.
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NikkolasKing posted:Is Snyder the only adapter of Batman who has presented his torturing people as actually bad or even morally ambiguous? Nolan Batman only interrogated corrupt cops and mob bosses, and it wasnt really praised. It was "okay its super brutal to drop someone 5 stories to land on their legs and break both of them and it shows how both Batman and Gordon are going off the deep end and loving up." Remember, Nolan bats lived as a criminal and doesn't care about petty crime and only wants to take down corruption at the top. He didnt care about Joker for that reason (to his detriment), and then specifically stopped Harvey from interrogating a random Joker thug because he sensed mental illness and thats not really his thing.
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Darko posted:Nolan Batman only interrogated corrupt cops and mob bosses, and it wasnt really praised. It was "okay its super brutal to drop someone 5 stories to land on their legs and break both of them and it shows how both Batman and Gordon are going off the deep end and loving up." He also pulled that stunt with the Joker and it specifically backfired because the Joker lied
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cargohills posted:A fun experiment with Twitter: search for all posts mentioning either Zack Snyder or Man of Steel that also mention one of the following terms: "Rand", "Randian", "Objectivist", "Fountainhead" or "Atlas Shrugged", before the date 17 March 2016. There are a few, which mostly consist of the standard hallucinations where Pa Kent "directly quotes Atlas Shrugged" or goes on a "40 minute Objectivist rant", and most delightfully someone claming that "Nolan's films are topical but ultimately apolitical" while "Zack Snyder's [...] are viscerally right wing and Randian" - but the emphasis really is on few. I found twelve relevant posts with the terms I used. Just circling back to this, you don't even need to go off site. You can search the Man of Steel thread if you have archives. The number one complaint about the movie, in the weeks that followed its release, was that Superman didn't fly Faora and Nam-Ek to a cornfield to beat their asses with no consequences; same with flying out of Metropolis to fight Zod. The movie broadcasting some kind of evil right-wing message wasn't even on the radar; it was purely "ah man there was a lot of uncontrolled death and destruction in this Superman movie"
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That was such a big thing that people joked about how Godzilla did the same and was hailed a hero and Avengers AOU shot itself in the foot trying to do the exact opposite the entire time
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Burkion posted:That was such a big thing that people joked about how Godzilla did the same and was hailed a hero and Avengers AOU shot itself in the foot trying to do the exact opposite the entire time the fact that the battle of new york is stated to have had progressively fewer and fewer casualties every time it gets mentioned in the MCU is one of the funniest unintentional running gags in the entire endeavor.
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Funny thing is that moving the fight to an empty (and easier to draw) wasteland is something the DBZ characters consciously do, despite having an almost literal 'reverse collateral damage' button. (that said, tends to forget about what atrocities the secondary villains have been up to, which actually comes up at times like the Namekian village that Vegeta massacred on his own and as a result didn't get brought back)
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Burkion posted:That was such a big thing that people joked about how Godzilla did the same and was hailed a hero and Avengers AOU shot itself in the foot trying to do the exact opposite the entire time People would get really angry if Godzilla didn't knock over some buildings. Also surprisingly, aside from Hawaii, he seems way more careful about buildings than the MUTOs.
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You know, I'm watching The 13th Warrior again and after I went online and saw that the original score was posted and it's so vastly superior to what we got. I can't help but draw parallels between the two projects, complete replacement of the score, conflicting ideas of how the story is told, ect. I'd be so down to see a director's cut of The 13th Warrior. How do I contact HBO Max. I want TheMcMcTiernanCut!
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Jimbot posted:You know, I'm watching The 13th Warrior again and after I went online and saw that the original score was posted and it's so vastly superior to what we got. I can't help but draw parallels between the two projects, complete replacement of the score, conflicting ideas of how the story is told, ect. I'd be so down to see a director's cut of The 13th Warrior. How do I contact HBO Max. I want TheMcMcTiernanCut! Dang, that’s a good pull, I’d totally be down for a director’s cut of that movie.
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