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More good vaccine news: https://twitter.com/CMichaelGibson/status/1333389996372480005 quote:Moderna’s phase 3 analysis involved 30,000 people in the US, half given the vaccine and half a placebo, and 196 of them became ill. Thirty people became severely ill and one died, but none of those had been given Moderna’s vaccine. The trials included substantial numbers of people in the most at-risk groups, with 7,000 people over 65 and more than 5,000 younger people with chronic diseases, such as diabetes, severe obesity and cardiac disease. There's a bunch of articles getting real excited over the fact that the Moderna vaccine is reportedly 100% effective in stopping people developing severe symptoms but if you dig down into the article there were only 11 vaccinated people who experienced any kinds of symptoms and a professor of pharmacoepidemiology points out there's still some "statistical uncertainty" and a professor of infectious disease epidemiology says "these results suggest very high efficacy (>85%) against this endpoint". It could be 100% protection against severe symptoms, it could be 85%-ish, we'll have to wait and see. The article also use some weaselly phrases like "There was no evidence the vaccine performed worse in older adults" which is another "we'll just have to wait and see" thing.
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ben shapino posted:so the placebo killed a guy? i'm assuming that one person actually got coronavirus and died.
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https://twitter.com/joanna_louise0/status/1333322039067815936ben shapino posted:so the placebo killed a guy? No
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Mithaldu posted:the only thoughts i have on this are parody redacted in minecraft because right now politicians are literally murdering their subjects for profits in realtime and direct causation Negligence is not murder
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https://twitter.com/kyamamura/status/1333519939924152320 That's less than one tenth of a percent of California's population. There's over 1.4 million people working in the healthcare industry alone in CA. (Also note that the immunity benefits of the vaccine don't kick in until 3 weeks after the second dose, which would be the start of Feb for those 327K people. ) E: If you're living in Mississippi then you better not need to visit a hospital anytime soon, they're full https://twitter.com/WLOX/status/1333546150159388673 Snowglobe of Doom fucked around with this message at 10:02 on Dec 1, 2020 |
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Strategic Tea posted:Negligence is not murder it's not negligence when you actively ignore thousands of scientists and healthcare workers and parents screaming at you and do the opposite of what you're being told negligence is when you never even thought about it in the first place and can argue you had no reason to think that deaths were a reasonable outcome compare with people who have in the past taken part in illegal street races, hit unrelated people and been convicted of murder Mithaldu fucked around with this message at 10:18 on Dec 1, 2020 |
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Scott Atlas resigned, isn't even going to bother seeing out the last few months of the Trump administration https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1333563296608362499 Good riddance to bad rubbish https://twitter.com/DWUhlfelderLaw/status/1333576533961826306
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:More good vaccine news: Any news on whether the vaccines prevent spreading, or do they only protect the vaccinated person?
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Scott Atlas resigned, isn't even going to bother seeing out the last few months of the Trump administration "the beauty of this disease is we can LET MILLIONS DIE because half have no symptoms" holy poo poo, yeet this person into the sun
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Chikimiki posted:Any news on whether the vaccines prevent spreading, or do they only protect the vaccinated person? AIUI both the Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines *claim* to generate neutralising antibodies, which means that transmission will be massively decreased (some spread from the initial lung infection will still happen, but it's orders of magnitude less than a full infection), probably to the point where transmission will be extremely unlikely. (Source was some Twitter thread that I can't find now so take that for what it is)
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Chikimiki posted:Any news on whether the vaccines prevent spreading, or do they only protect the vaccinated person? We wont know this for sure until the vaccine is distributed but it's vanishingly unlikely it will have no effect on spread at all.
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Remember flu shots aren't sterilizing, and we still press the gently caress to get as many people as possible to get them nonetheless.
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Waffle! posted:My sister is a teacher. She thinks she caught it from another teacher at her school, and one more teacher got sick a week after my sister was out. Her husband is an essential worker, wiring security systems or something, and his boss says that he can't come back to work until two weeks after my sister is cleared. He won't be getting paid. God only knows if/when my sister will be cleared, and her job still expects her to do all the lesson plans and schoolwork from home even if she isn't teaching. They even tried asking her to Zoom from bed. Now my sister and her family have no income for however long this poo poo-show plays out, and it feels like there's nothing I can do to help. If his work has less than 500 employees there is federally mandated sick leave. Check this link for details. https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/pandemic/ffcra-employee-paid-leave He may also be eligible to apply for unemployment if he's not being paid sick days and his employer has effectively cut his hours to 0. Neither of these are the easiest things to deal with, especially if his employer is being an rear end about it, but maybe they'll help.
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I assume we don't know for how long these vaccines provide protection either?Josh Wow posted:If his work has less than 500 employees there is federally mandated sick leave. Check this link for details. lmao, why is there an exception for companies over 500 people.
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Fame Douglas posted:lmao, why is there an exception for companies over 500 people. Because bigger companies have lobbyists.
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Welp Christmas is cancelled at my house. Normally we have my mother's brother and sister come over, but some of us mentioned my Uncle's declaration that he'll go to his local after lockdown ends, a wet pub that will likely print fake receipts to be seen as a gastro pub and thus avoid the lesser restrictions. Mentioned it maybe a little too much. Whatever, don't go to the pub a week before Christmas Day and we'll be fine. But my mother, unhinged with lack of sleep from hernia pain unilaterally decides to meet my aunt in a car park and declare that they're not wanted by the rest of us. Literally something that can't be taken back, ever. For gently caress sake. loving virus.
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Someone at my wife's workplace tested positive for covid-19 a week ago but no employees found that out until today, when another person tested positive. Only the people working that shift were told what happened, which is the only reason anyone on the incoming shift knows about it. Their department is temporarily closed but the rest of the store is running as usual. Who knows if the other people in the department are gonna come in or not tomorrow. Failure to inform employees when poo poo like happens should be a criminal offense.
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ben shapino posted:so the placebo killed a guy? They told him he had the bad one with thimoseral in it. He believed it so hard he died.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Here in Victoria Australia we've had several small outbreaks traced back to delivery drivers. One was a McDonalds delivery driver who infected staff at several McDonalds restaurants, another was a truck driver who was allowed to leave the "ring of steel" exclusion zone around Melbourne to do some deliveries in rural areas because essential services like transport were exempted from the lockdown. He had a sit down meal in a cafe (which was against the rules) and infected one of the cafe workers. Critically the infections in both of these cases came from people interacting with infected people, not from fomites transferred long distances via freight. https://www.google.com/amp/s/fortune.com/2020/08/18/new-zealand-covid-new-cases-origin/amp/ The hypothesis that NZ had an outbreak from frozen food shipments was ruled out months ago.
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As an example for how idiotic communication about this is. Dr. Mike is a youtuber with 6.5mio followers. He posted videos talking about how masks are important, and a few days ago he had his birthday, where he did this: https://twitter.com/PopCrave/status/1332390626420269056 With the images and footage out, he posted an "apology" to his 100x smaller side channel, where he basically went "i followed cdc rules and also i'm young and because i live along i don't endanger any old people". Usually i'm all for going easy on people who gently caress covid up, but this guy literally spread rules on it and then broke them with his own private covid party. Him being made an example of would do more to save lives than anything he could personally do.
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Mithaldu posted:As an example for how idiotic communication about this is. FFS i liked that lad and now he's just another bloody hypocrite.
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Theres a new article on CNN, which now I can't easily find, that makes it sound like the vaccine won't be widely available for a long time. Maybe July. I'm 45, was really hoping to get it in March.  But, the article makes no mention of the fact that a huge chunk of americans don't want the vaccine. Maybe 40+% although this could change. In addition, it appears that people who have had Covid might be immune for years and decades and therefore wouldn't need the vaccine, although this isn't definite yet. Not sure how many people who get covid will decide they don't need the vaccine... But by spring who knows how many americans will have had it. Could be 50%. The CDC estimated 53M americans had covid by end of Sept.
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CarlosTheDwarf posted:Theres a new article on CNN, which now I can't easily find, that makes it sound like the vaccine won't be widely available for a long time. Maybe July. I'm 45, was really hoping to get it in March. Ipsos did a survey, looks like vaccine hesitancy is pretty low here in Australia: https://twitter.com/LizAnnSonders/status/1333737516516642817 We're planning on starting a staggered vaccine rollout from March onwards so we just need to keep outbreaks contained until we get decent vaccine coverage, which will be at least a few months after that. Everyone here seems pretty confident we can keep a lid on it.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:We're planning on starting a staggered vaccine rollout from March onwards so we just need to keep outbreaks contained until we get decent vaccine coverage, which will be at least a few months after that. Everyone here seems pretty confident we can keep a lid on it. I reckon it'll be a year+ before we get substantial enough rollout that any of the BAU social distancing poo poo changes.
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Honestly make me look like loving Pinhead with the vaccines, hell if I could trial them I would.
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When they talk about having 1 Million doses out by X, do they mean a full vaccines worth (2 shots) or a single shot?
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Sir John Falstaff posted:Don't read the comments I'm so sorry I doubted your post. I know these people are loud and many, but it still blows my mind that they really, truly believe what they say.
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Sir John Falstaff posted:Don't read the comments i was just looking at degloving and woundvac pictures and frankly, i'm going back to those also, just had a look at Germany's covid numbers and ... here's the good news:  here's where we are:  and here's the future of that line:  and we have politicians who still think it's a good idea to lift restrictions around christmas/newyears 
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Achtane posted:I'm so sorry I doubted your post. I really did think Twitter was all Russian bots or propaganda machines of some sort until I saw the videos of people banging on election centers chanting "Stop the count". There really are that many people who truly believe these things... 
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Strategic Tea posted:Negligence is not murder This post is not good
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Heads up, they reversed that Not the she’s all that remake, for the record. That atrocity is staying
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CarlosTheDwarf posted:Theres a new article on CNN, which now I can't easily find, that makes it sound like the vaccine won't be widely available for a long time. Maybe July. I'm 45, was really hoping to get it in March. They don’t have 53 million testing kits though so they can’t make that claim. Nor do they have a vaccine, you would need a high concentration of the actual virus to make an antibody vaccine.
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In a couple weeks we're supposed to "revisit" our rules for no indoor social gatherings in homes (indoor in public spaces is okay lol), because people are upset they might not get to see their families this Christmas. But our government is Christian conservative so I doubt Christmas will be cancelled even if numbers keep climbing. They also decided to do a special call out for high case rates among essential workers who work multiple public-facing jobs, live in densely populated areas, take transit, and live in multi-generational homes, but have said nothing about anti-maskers gathering to do mass protests in the downtown area where many of the former group work. I'll give you ONE guess what the demographics are. The former group are South Asian and the latter are white.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:So it looks like Australia mostly has the virus under control ........... just in time for bushfire season! NSW is in the middle of a 40°C+ degree heatwave with some places inland getting up to 47°C (116.6°F) and it's not even summer yet. There's already several dozen fires around NSW but most of them are only minor and not much of a worry yet, only one of them is rated "Watch and Act" right now: How does Australia even still have large animal life with temperature like that every year?
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:(Also note that the immunity benefits of the vaccine don't kick in until 3 weeks after the second dose, which would be the start of Feb for those 327K people. )
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Tagra posted:I really did think Twitter was all Russian bots or propaganda machines of some sort until I saw the videos of people banging on election centers chanting "Stop the count". There really are that many people who truly believe these things...
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deadeyez posted:How does Australia even still have large animal life with temperature like that every year? It was probably more tolerable in the pre-industrial times.
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