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KaosMachina posted:So we're getting Mike Murdock is: MATT MURDOCK, part 2, where he's a totally different person from Daredevil, because Daredevil is in jail. They are totally different people, that was the point of the annual.
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How Wonderful! posted:God Knull is just so boring to look at. I don't know if this would be a good comic if he had a decent design but having an abysmally dull one sure doesn't help. The fact that his logo is a riff on Spider-Man's even though he's the oldest being in the universe really irks me. I guess maybe he added it when he encountered Venom but I don't think he's been depicted without it at any point.
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Dec 3, 2020 04:58
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No see Spider-Man’s is actually a riff on his. Knull’s logo is a dragon that just happens to work really well as a spider.
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TheHan posted:No see Spider-Man’s is actually a riff on his. Knull’s logo is a dragon that just happens to work really well as a spider. Nevermind that Julia Carpenter had the design first so it makes no loving sense. And yeah, Daredevil was great and I love where it's going. I wasn't expecting it at all but I hope it lasts a while.
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Dec 3, 2020 06:13
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:So character of the decade: Knull or The Batman who Laughs? Follow up: If you locked Scott Snyder and Donny Cates in a room, do they pen a team up comic or get in a fist fight over which character's cooler?
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Dec 3, 2020 06:35
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TwoPair posted:Follow up: If you locked Scott Snyder and Donny Cates in a room, do they pen a team up comic or get in a fist fight over which character's cooler? They’re not mutually exclusive.
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Dec 3, 2020 14:00
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KaosMachina posted:Obviously we know the plot of the next Amalgam crossover now, since we're revisiting all the 90s tone hits now, including the desperate need for sales in the face of bankruptcy
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Dec 3, 2020 14:27
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Someone excitedly told me he hoped that King in Black was going to be Cates' Death Metal. 
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TwoPair posted:Follow up: If you locked Scott Snyder and Donny Cates in a room, do they pen a team up comic or get in a fist fight over which character's cooler? God i hated the recent issues of Venom with the Avengers and all Carol and Jenn talk about is how badly they want to bone Eddie.
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Dec 3, 2020 15:01
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Codependent Poster posted:Nevermind that Julia Carpenter had the design first so it makes no loving sense. Seriously. Spider-Woman erasure! Peter even credits her during Secret War.
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Dec 3, 2020 17:26
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I think the big difference between the Joker Who Wears Black and Knull is that the former is, in the context of the actual story, not particularly terrible; he's treated in a very self-aware fashion (in the core books at least) and even beyond that, one of the meta points of Metal and Death Metal is "Enough with the freaking Batmen who always win already". The problem is, people are so frustrated with the aspects of Joker and Batman that Judge Batdeath embodies, it's hard for certain people to see through that pre-existing irritation to appreciate the comic going "Look, we get it; this is pretty stupid conceptually, HOWEVER..." Meanwhile Knull is just not very good.
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Dec 3, 2020 17:42
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How Wonderful! posted:God Knull is just so boring to look at. I don't know if this would be a good comic if he had a decent design but having an abysmally dull one sure doesn't help. I really am baffled how they decided to make a symbiot diety, tied to All Black the Necro Sword, and the best design they could come up with is "D&D villain with a big mouth".
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Dec 3, 2020 23:29
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It's even worse when every symbiote thing looks cool and distinct except for Knull.
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Dec 3, 2020 23:50
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I don't think I've read a single book featuring Knull and I aim to keep it that way. I'm super behind in Thor, though. He doesn't show up in Thor, does he? I keep meaning to drop Thor but keep forgetting to.
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Dec 4, 2020 01:02
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I think Knull is an awful character, but Venom has been pretty good despite his presence. I don't think I've read a Batman Who Laughs comic that I've enjoyed so far (though I haven't read all of them). Based on that, I think I have to give the edge to Knull.
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JordanKai posted:I think Knull is an awful character, but Venom has been pretty good despite his presence. I don't think I've read a Batman Who Laughs comic that I've enjoyed so far (though I haven't read all of them). Based on that, I think I have to give the edge to Knull. I liked the original Dark Knights Metal book.
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No bones for people who dig it and I hope whoever's out there that does gets all the Cates they can handle, but I think King In Black is one of the most unpleasant comics I've ever read.
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Shirkelton posted:No bones for people who dig it and I hope whoever's out there that does gets all the Cates they can handle, but I think King In Black is one of the most unpleasant comics I've ever read. Yeah, and Cates' Thor has been really grim for me too - excepting the two issue arc in Broxton, which was quite chill and pleasant so he can do that. (I liked the Venom beyond arc too, actually.) I am not well-disposed towards such mistreatment of Beta Ray Bill, but, even so, it just reminds me of Rosenberg's Uncanny run, where, unintentionally or not, there's a ugly sense of malice towards the characters that comes through. Letters pages for Cates' stuff are mad enthusiastic and he got another big event after Absolute Carnage, so clearly it has an audience, but it's an ick from me. It doesn't help that King in Black #1 felt like a medley of previous events shocking moments, even allowing for the direct homage.
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Skwirl posted:I liked the original Dark Knights Metal book. It was very similar in that they introduced a lot of villains that would have been good recurring villains for the world's biggest superhero team, then killed them all off. I am glad the Black Order guys got resurrected (if forgotten about), but I think the Wild Hunt one shots were the best part of Darkest Night. Just one more reminder for me that Avengers: No Surrender was great.
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OnimaruXLR posted:I think the big difference between the Joker Who Wears Black and Knull is that the former is, in the context of the actual story, not particularly terrible; he's treated in a very self-aware fashion (in the core books at least) and even beyond that, one of the meta points of Metal and Death Metal is "Enough with the freaking Batmen who always win already". The problem is, people are so frustrated with the aspects of Joker and Batman that Judge Batdeath embodies, it's hard for certain people to see through that pre-existing irritation to appreciate the comic going "Look, we get it; this is pretty stupid conceptually, HOWEVER..." Skwirl posted:I liked the original Dark Knights Metal book. I agree with both of these, the only problem with the Batman Who Laughs is that he should've been a one-and-done villain but since Snyder clearly likes him, he keeps coming back. He got a mini, he got a storyline/mini-event that stretched across multiple titles where he turned characters evil, he had Joker talk about how If Cates can avoid that trap and just have Knull go away after KiB, Knull will be... well okay, he probably won't be fondly remembered, but I can see people looking back in a few years going "eh, Knull wasn't that bad" since like JordanKai said, a lot of his other work on Venom has been pretty good. But I have zero faith that Cates will kill Knull in this event and I feel sure that he'll pop up again in some later Cates work. TwoPair fucked around with this message at 13:13 on Dec 4, 2020 |
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Dec 4, 2020 13:09
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it turns out that all you have to do to conquer 616 earth is to send in an infinite number of completely invulnerable monsters. too bad no one else ever thought of that!
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:it turns out that all you have to do to conquer 616 earth is to send in an infinite number of completely invulnerable monsters. too bad no one else ever thought of that! Corrupted Celestials are so hot right now. [Aaron's Avengers and Cates' King in Black] Why not have a villain accrue powers by defeating people too? [Spencer's Sin-Eater and Cates' Donald Blake] I'm still so hyped for Black Cat's return though.
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:it turns out that all you have to do to conquer 616 earth is to send in an infinite number of completely invulnerable monsters. too bad no one else ever thought of that! Also, Frost Giants won't work.
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I feel like I *should* dislike Knull and everything associated with him but I've actually been enjoying Cates' run and most of the buildup to KiB, idk
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Diet Poison posted:I don't think I've read a single book featuring Knull and I aim to keep it that way. He doesn’t show up in Aaron’s run at all, but Cates heavily references him in his very first Thor arc (if he isn’t outright stated to be the villain - still not sure what the deal with the Black Winter was supposed to be). Jumping directly from Aaron to Cates is a ... stark change, to say the least. It’s a much lessened book.
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TwoPair posted:I agree with both of these, the only problem with the Batman Who Laughs is that he should've been a one-and-done villain but since Snyder clearly likes him, he keeps coming back. He got a mini, he got a storyline/mini-event that stretched across multiple titles where he turned characters evil, he had Joker talk about how I can almost certainly guarantee this won't be the last we hear of Knull.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:So what's the combined character called, No Joke? lull
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TwoPair posted:I agree with both of these, the only problem with the Batman Who Laughs is that he should've been a one-and-done villain but since Snyder clearly likes him, he keeps coming back. He got a mini, he got a storyline/mini-event that stretched across multiple titles where he turned characters evil, he had Joker talk about how I feel like if you're a comics writer, creating a new major character who might get a movie adaptation one day, and then trying hard to make them happen, is probably pretty tempting. If you do a big crossover with Thanos that gets adapted into a major motion picture, you don't see residuals. If you do one with your original Not Thanos that gets adapted, under a lot of work for hire contracts, you do.
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Blockhouse posted:I doubt Donny Cates said "put in old Cable" that's probably on Stegman He probably asked Chip Zdarsky, who probably told him "no it's fine the old Cable is back, yeah, trust me" while snorting behind his hand the whole time
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To be fair, in a few years Old Cable will be back And being an event book, nobody will even remember King in Black happened, regardless of what big dumb death they shovel in.
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Well, they already did the “Big Serious Death,” in a scene that legitimately felt like it was written by a 14 year old.
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Rev. Bleech_ posted:He probably asked Chip Zdarsky, who probably told him "no it's fine the old Cable is back, yeah, trust me" while snorting behind his hand the whole time If I was writing Marvel stuff I would have Cable show up all the time. But he would be different. Like some time he would be pure technorganic, some time he would be female. Some time he would be a giant cyborg chickenman. Just shrug and explain that it's due to his time travelling adventures. Like with Starhawk in Guardians.
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Nilbop posted:Well, they already did the “Big Serious Death,” in a scene that legitimately felt like it was written by a 14 year old. Lol if you think that was the big one.
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Rev. Bleech_ posted:He probably asked Chip Zdarsky, who probably told him "no it's fine the old Cable is back, yeah, trust me" while snorting behind his hand the whole time Isn't old Cable already back? I could've sworn there was a stinger scene in some X-book or another that showed he was back and just lying low, watching kid Cable.
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TwoPair posted:Isn't old Cable already back? I could've sworn there was a stinger scene in some X-book or another that showed he was back and just lying low, watching kid Cable. Kid Cable went and pulled the metal arm off Old Cable's body. (Which was in Deadpool's game room).
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radlum posted:On to better comics, Chip's Daredevil keeps getting better every month; besides X-Men stuff, Daredevil and Immortal Hulk are the best books every month. This. Also enjoying Thor currently. I’ve out of comics for 20+ years, but the current plague has brought me back. The last storyline of Venom that I am familiar with is McFarlane’s origins in ASM and I enjoyed the heck out of KiB #1. Just say’in.
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TwoPair posted:Isn't old Cable already back? I could've sworn there was a stinger scene in some X-book or another that showed he was back and just lying low, watching kid Cable. Yes, he's shown up in the last few pages in the Cable series a couple times but he's doing something else somewhere else in time.
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yeah the Old Cable scenes in the current Cable book all show him at some indeterminate point in what I assume is the far future.
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it's hard to say what that even means since it's not like he is a different person. it's an older version of cable, in the future. that's where you'd expect older versions of any character to be.
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