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Another very low blow for me was I was genuinely excited when they got another ship instead of the Falcon and I was like "loving finally!" and then that too was a fakeout. Doctor Spaceman posted:And lightspeed ramming still works in RoS too. That part made me laugh Mouth of Madness style in theater.
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The Sequel trilogy makes sense when you realize the entire saga is called The Palpatine Saga
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Snowman_McK posted:does anyone remember when TROS fell apart in their eyes? The crawl had me nervous, and I realized it was going to be poo poo ten minutes afterward. I remember thinking "i'm watching JJ Abrams' middle film that he didn't get to make on 8x fast forward." I didn't realize the depths it would sink to from there.
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I didn’t realize it was poo poo until I woke up hungover the next morning and couldn’t remember a single image from the film. I’ve been drunk and stoned to very high degrees and still could walk away with basic poo poo. It was a complete blur.
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I started shifting uncomfortably in my seat when, within the first 10-15 minutes, they cut to something like 5 or 6 different planets. “Oh gently caress. Two and a half more hours of this?”
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Dec 3, 2020 07:55
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Yeah.JJ's relentless pacing of 'cool poo poo smash cut' with no real regard to plot, setting or believability just pisses me off, and ROTS was just so full of that. It feels like a Disneyland star tours ride where they have to cram in all the fan favourite characters and moments within 2 minutes before you are booted out for the next in-line. It's funny that the original Star Wars was both lauded and abhored for it's (then) considered incredibly fast pacing. I guess I'm just the modern old man equivalent of people that had a problem with that.
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I do think other than the above traits, JJ is a competent and entertaining director. I just think the Star Wars property is clearly one with one too many cooks dictating what must happen in place of a planned and coherent story. It's funny. TLJ is clearly an answer to the spoken criticisms of TFA, for better or worse. It's much more evenly paced, has less moments outright duplicated from the old films, and when it does, it often inverts the situation on its head or does something unexpected. Then, of course ROS is a response to TLJ's criticisms in the most backward rear end way as possible that pleases no one.
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A lot of older movies, possibly especially westerns, samurai and war movies Star Wars draws from, are quite slow paced and can be hard to watch from a modern perspective because of it, though on examination might be that not a whole lot really happens in them. (though The Magnificent Seven comes to mind, and I think works because seven is a pretty big cast and it gives every member some time in the spotlight) Star Wars on the other hand has a lot going on, and it's easy to see how an earlier cut might be awful given how much actually does happen in it. It's a very ambitious movie for its time that pulled it off perfectly, something very rare and usually tends to change the game as a result. Does remind me, you all still needa watch Phineas and Ferb Star Wars.
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Snowman_McK posted:does anyone remember when TROS fell apart in their eyes? For the first half hour or so (I didn't look at my watch, so I'm guessing) it seemed fine, if a little rushed. It was the Chewbacca death fakeout that clearly marks the line between 'an actual film' and 'whatever jumbled notes were left as they jammed scripts together' Since I knew Palpatine was coming back before I saw it the crawl wasn't too bad (THE DEAD SPEAK! is at least memorably cheesy) but smashing through a bunch of interesting settings as a substitute for tension told me exactly what I was going to get.
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Snowman_McK posted:does anyone remember when TROS fell apart in their eyes? For the first half hour or so (I didn't look at my watch, so I'm guessing) it seemed fine, if a little rushed. It was the Chewbacca death fakeout that clearly marks the line between 'an actual film' and 'whatever jumbled notes were left as they jammed scripts together' When they loudly proclaimed they need to find a mcguffin Epic ending of your trilogy dudes, a bad videogame quest
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fatherboxx posted:When they loudly proclaimed they need to find a mcguffin It's kind of funny how The Mandalorian adopts this formula and does it with just enough skill that it's become the one thing people cling to as proof that Star Wars can still be good.
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Vinylshadow posted:The Sequel trilogy makes sense when you realize the entire saga is called The Palpatine Saga The Sheeve Fucks Saga
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fatherboxx posted:When they loudly proclaimed they need to find a mcguffin And the maguffin is used to solve a mystical puzzle that perfectly lines up with a location we know and have seen before and came about in living memory and makes no sense, other than it resembles something in a Zelda dungeon. God what a stupid loving movie.
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Dec 3, 2020 13:37
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Lightspeed skipping.
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Seems like there's a similar feel I got to Endgame, but even worse; a plot that's thrown together at the last minute out of sticky note scribblings and papered over with the most blatant fanservice they can manage. In both cases, they didn't have to at all. This is an entertainment juggernaut making movies guaranteed to have ridiculous returns. Though that's the problem- the bigger a movie is, the more it's overmanaged for fear of failure, or to milk more money out if they think it looks promising to the point where it can't possibly really succeed. Producers just can't stop putting their dicks in it for five minutes and let it breathe.
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I get the distinct impression that the movie that JJ wanted to make was worse. Like the producers input was to bring back Lando rather than introduce yet another random inconsequential character.
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Snowman_McK posted:does anyone remember when TROS fell apart in their eyes? For the first half hour or so (I didn't look at my watch, so I'm guessing) it seemed fine, if a little rushed. It was the Chewbacca death fakeout that clearly marks the line between 'an actual film' and 'whatever jumbled notes were left as they jammed scripts together' For me it was right when they get through the lightspeed skipping and get back to base. Poe has this monologue about how they've detected a message that Palpatine has returned and he's got a massive fleet and blah blah blah and it was just the most contrived, artificial exposition scene ever and I just lost faith in the movie right then and there.
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Basebf555 posted:For me it was right when they get through the lightspeed skipping and get back to base. Poe has this monologue about how they've detected a message that Palpatine has returned and he's got a massive fleet and blah blah blah and it was just the most contrived, artificial exposition scene ever and I just lost faith in the movie right then and there. Isn't there some kind of random ticking clock element that's established during that scene and never brought up again?
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There's been far too many movies lately that have important context cut from the movie and casually tweeted out weeks later, but I don't think that's encouragement to instead reveal major plot points in a Fortnite event. Like, you couldn't make that up.
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OctoberCountry posted:Isn't there some kind of random ticking clock element that's established during that scene and never brought up again? It's like "Palpatine has a huge fleet that's gonna wipe everything out and we only have X days to stop him!!" I guess the idea is that Palpatine basically was broadcasting his plans to the whole galaxy? Who the gently caress knows.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:There's been far too many movies lately that have important context cut from the movie and casually tweeted out weeks later, but I don't think that's encouragement to instead reveal major plot points in a Fortnite event. 
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G-III posted:I can't even remember what any of the 'new' aliens from the ST look like other than, Maz. The post pointless character in the entire franchise.
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I had the great joy of explaining to a friend who had actually seen the movie (I haven't) that the events referred to in the opening crawl had actually happened in Fortnite.
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Snowman_McK posted:does anyone remember when TROS fell apart in their eyes? THE DEAD SPEAK!
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How do you indoctrinate a planet's population with Sith values? What are Sith values? You murder your dad so you can take his lovely job at the spaceship factory?Snowman_McK posted:does anyone remember when TROS fell apart in their eyes? For the first half hour or so (I didn't look at my watch, so I'm guessing) it seemed fine, if a little rushed. It was the Chewbacca death fakeout that clearly marks the line between 'an actual film' and 'whatever jumbled notes were left as they jammed scripts together' When a movie has to cram a ton of beloved franchise notes and wrap up an epic series in 2.5 hours, stuff that is just a pointless waste of screen time really sticks out. Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Dec 3, 2020 |
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Halloween Jack posted:How do you indoctrinate a planet's population with Sith values? What are Sith values? You murder your dad so you can take his lovely job at the spaceship factory? Clearly we need a prequel trilogy to explain all of these things.
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Basebf555 posted:Clearly we need a prequel trilogy to explain all of these things. A sequel trilogy prequel trilogy? I’d much rather have a prequel trilogy sequel trilogy.
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Cartoon Man posted:A sequel trilogy prequel trilogy? I’d much rather have a prequel trilogy sequel trilogy. Technically we did, it’s called Star Wars: Rebels (which I believe ran for exactly three seasons).
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Larryb posted:Technically we did, it’s called Star Wars: Rebels (which I believe ran for exactly three seasons). Has four seasons, but the first and last are only 13 episodes long, so from a certain point of view, yes, it's 3 seasons long
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Ah right, there’s also Star Wars: Resistance which I believe takes place just prior to The Force Awakens. It’s not great though and only lasted two seasons. Come to think of it, did that show even get a proper ending or was it just cancelled prematurely? Larryb fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Dec 3, 2020 |
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Larryb posted:Ah right, there’s also Star Wars: Resistance which I believe takes place just prior to The Force Awakens. It’s not great though and only lasted two seasons. Felt like it was cancelled given how none of the Aces got any development, and the orphans from that village Kylo slaughtered never had it followed up on
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Vinylshadow posted:Felt like it was cancelled given how none of the Aces got any development, and the orphans from that village Kylo slaughtered never had it followed up on Lol what? Kylo killed a village full of orphans? That’s the kind of “Did you know?” poo poo that Disney needs to be tweeting out...
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Ah no he didn’t do that. That was lightning...
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Lightspeed skipping. I woke up this morning and remembered this suddenly and came to post that that was actually one of the first real dumb things lol. I was a little annoyed at the hyperspace ram from TLJ because if you think moderately hard about it, it’s never been established before and probably breaks the established wisdom about how space works in Star Wars (along with the arcing guns, lol). But that could have been explained away with one or two additional lines or whatever, it’s not a dealbreaker. Light speed skipping completely goes against what you saw in the original movies about specifically how the Falcon can’t just take a chance without waiting to calculate the jump, and they explicitly tossed that out the window for a meaningless reason. Something that existed to give the originals more tension and a semblance of realism getting tossed outright to make a sequence that doesn’t really need to exist in the movie is kinda dumb. If they’d done it like one time and it was a huge risk, that’d be different.
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Larryb posted:Technically we did, it’s called Star Wars: Rebels (which I believe ran for exactly three seasons). How is Rebels story/character wise compared to Clone Wars? We binge watched CW last year and then the final season this year but couldn't get into the art style of Rebels for some reason. Rob Rockley posted:Light speed skipping completely goes against what you saw in the original movies about specifically how the Falcon can’t just take a chance without waiting to calculate the jump, and they explicitly tossed that out the window for a meaningless reason. Something that existed to give the originals more tension and a semblance of realism getting tossed outright to make a sequence that doesn’t really need to exist in the movie is kinda dumb. If they’d done it like one time and it was a huge risk, that’d be different. Well you see Navi Computer technology made leaps and bounds in the 30 years since the OT and furthermore... jisforjosh fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Dec 3, 2020 |
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jisforjosh posted:How is Rebels story/character wise compared to Clone Wars? We binge watched CW last year and then the final season this year but couldn't get into the art style of Rebels for some reason. Up and down, but when it's good it's as good as Clone Wars was. There are some really effective and memorable moments, and just like Clone Wars it does manage to create and make you care about a bunch of new characters.
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Basebf555 posted:Up and down, but when it's good it's as good as Clone Wars was. There are some really effective and memorable moments, and just like Clone Wars it does manage to create and make you care about a bunch of new characters. I’m also impressed they managed to get some major guest stars like Frank Oz and Billy Dee Williams to cameo in an episode or two.
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jisforjosh posted:How is Rebels story/character wise compared to Clone Wars? We binge watched CW last year and then the final season this year but couldn't get into the art style of Rebels for some reason. Clone Wars is the better show overall, but when Rebels is good it hits way higher highs than Clone Wars ever did. It's why I prefer Rebels, because some of its story arcs offer up the best of what Star Wars has to offer when it comes to genuinely affecting storytelling.
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jisforjosh posted:How is Rebels story/character wise compared to Clone Wars? We binge watched CW last year and then the final season this year but couldn't get into the art style of Rebels for some reason. Rebels is more family-focused, both literally and figuratively, although it doesn't shy away from darker aspects towards the end of season 2, and 3/4 are both steps up in quality, similar to TCW Characters are well-fleshed out, although it takes until season 3 for Sabine to get anything, but it's one of the better character arcs After season 3 Ezra kinda stops being relevant which is fine Zeb gets maybe two episodes out of the entire series, but has the best music track in the series Chopper is an HK unit trapped in a garbage can Hera and Kanan are mom and dad respectively and are a lot of fun in their roles taking care of their crazy kids Seriously, just take a week or two to watch Rebels
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