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CBJSprague24 posted:Correct. That was
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We're at the "arguing over the definition of 'renegotiating'" phase of CBA discussions now.quote:“We’re not actually having negotiations and we’re not seeking to renegotiate,” Bettman said. “We made a number of assumptions collectively over the summer, most of which are not applicable anymore. … Whatever the revenues are, the players only get 50 percent. And if we overpay them and they don’t pay us back in the short term, they have to pay us back over time. https://theathletic.com/2235543/2020/12/02/nhl-season-nhlpa-negotiations-lebrun?source=user-shared-article
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Dec 3, 2020 18:31
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It really is just bad faith by the owners because literally everyone outside of Trump said that things were going to get worse around this time of year and that even limited capacity was the best sports could hope for. To act like they didn’t see this coming is asinine. Also gently caress the bootlickers who go off about how players make so much and how they’d play for free.
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Does anyone have a link to the video of Mike Cammalleri introducing Tomas Plekanec as "numeray cathorse"? I swear the entire internet is trying to gaslight me into believing this never happened. Google returns exactly one result from this forum including cathorse and the forums search has a bunch more posts about m. cathorse but not the video itself.
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Don't worry everyone there's a solution to the owners revenue problem! https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1334555404215463943 https://twitter.com/PierreVLeBrun/status/1334567257557635072
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I'm not sure it fixes all or even most of the issues, but it's not the worst idea.
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I am not a communicable disease expert but really the issue is just people congregating and allowing themselves to be put in a higher risk situation. So while studies have shown that when two people are wearing masks and in the open air with a few feet between them there is virtually no instances of contracting covid from that interaction, its more the issue that you're going to have people dropping masks/not wearing them at all for long stretches while they eat or drink or go take a poo poo. On top of that by allowing fans into whatever outdoor stadium situation you're going to get people congregating beforehand. I'm sure in some of these cities bars will have heated patio areas that will be open. You'll have people in higher concentration taking public transit. I get that at the end of the day this is all about money, but it really doesn't feel to me like this is a worthwhile thought experiment at all. Just don't have fans. On top of all that if you're having an outdoor game theres a high chance in winter that these games get rained/sleet/snowed out too. Just don't have loving fans.
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Rangers not gonna let Laf play at WJC Playing hockey > sitting at home, but that's just me
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It’s possible they actually think they’ll be playing/in camp when the WJC is going on but that seems wildly optimistic at the moment.
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soggybagel posted:I am not a communicable disease expert but really the issue is just people congregating and allowing themselves to be put in a higher risk situation. So while studies have shown that when two people are wearing masks and in the open air with a few feet between them there is virtually no instances of contracting covid from that interaction, its more the issue that you're going to have people dropping masks/not wearing them at all for long stretches while they eat or drink or go take a poo poo. considering that the NHL revenues are much more dependent on live gate than the other 3 major US sports (see why the NBA is starting earlier is because of their boffo TV deal), it might have to be outdoor games for a few teams to at least get some money going thru and show good faith to the players that they'll get what they're owed. another factor that works in the NBA's favor: their owners are, by and large, a LOT wealthier than NHL owners. now don't get me wrong they're all rich motherfuckers who deserve the chop, but people like Tom Stillman in STL, the Preds consortium, or the McDonnell estate who own CBJ are nowhere near sniffing the Three Commas Club. compare that to people like Wes Edens (hedge-fund billionaire), Vivek Ranadive (software billionaire), Tom Gores (more private equity $$$), and that's just small-market teams owners let alone the Steve Ballmers or Mickey Arisons of the league.
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Lmao outdoor games for anything more than one offs is insane and if that's the only way teams will play there won't be a season.
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Outdoor games are still super spreader events and also the hockey isn't as good.
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Yes but have you considered the potential revenue? https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1334843530934710279?s=19 Maybe some hope? Although the last two lockouts taught me to never trust anyone ever. ThinkTank fucked around with this message at 14:39 on Dec 4, 2020 |
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Definitely do not trust Don Waddell.
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Chad Sexington posted:Outdoor games are still super spreader events and also the hockey isn't as good. The hockey is dogshit OP
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Koopa Kid posted:Ah yes, it's understandable how Ranger fans in particular can be ambivalent about athletes developing a heart condition 
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:The hockey is dogshit OP Counterpoint: the Oilers are assuredly a team looking at this and I'd love to see them pointlessly strap a 20 kilo anvil onto McDavid's back in the form of freezing temperatures and piss poor ice just so Katz can afford a few more LA mansions.
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ThinkTank posted:Counterpoint: the Oilers are assuredly a team looking at this and I'd love to see them pointlessly strap a 20 kilo anvil onto McDavid's back in the form of freezing temperatures and piss poor ice just so Katz can afford a few more LA mansions. When Elias Petterson loses toes to frostbite at Commonwealth, you'll regret wishing this into existence.
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:When Elias Petterson loses toes to frostbite at Commonwealth, you'll regret wishing this into existence. Petey is immune to the cold. https://www.instagram.com/p/CILtSClnyAj/?igshid=10jplcgpulptr https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/29/sports/hockey/nhl-lake-hockey-elias-pettersson.html
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https://twitter.com/bardown/status/1334890604267008001?s=21 These own, let players put custom designs on their skates like cleats in the NFL. And give ovie his tinted visor back
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The Dirty Burger posted:https://twitter.com/bardown/status/1334890604267008001?s=21 Those two suggestions sound dangerously close to "fun". Gotta slap that down asap.
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The American flag is backwards. I hope someone was fired for this blunder.
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Aphrodite posted:The American flag is backwards. I hope someone was fired for this blunder. Some military uniforms do it that way so it looks like it’s flying in the wind as they move or some poo poo like that 
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Rangers not gonna let Laf play at WJC There's no point in risking injury or illness for a short tournament that's not going to help him prepare for the NHL Last year he injured his knee but thankfully it wasn't serious. I imagine the Rangers are thinking about that and not wanting to risk it especially when the plan is still to have a NHL season.
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A whole lot of Canadians got red mad and nude on Twitter about them not letting Laf go. It was pretty funny.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Rangers not gonna let Laf play at WJC Teams never let 1st overall picks play in these tournaments outside of lockout years I don’t know why people are making a big deal out of this. I mean I know why but still.
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Matt Zerella posted:A whole lot of Canadians got red mad and nude on Twitter about them not letting Laf go. It was pretty funny. hold up what
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WeaponX posted:Teams never let 1st overall picks play in these tournaments outside of lockout years I don’t know why people are making a big deal out of this. I mean I know why but still.
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DJExile posted:hold up getting your dick out for a cause is a recent trend that the young folks do, about say 1651 days ago give or take a few hours, not too sure when the gorilla actually kicked it but you know.
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WeaponX posted:Teams never let 1st overall picks play in these tournaments outside of lockout years I don’t know why people are making a big deal out of this. I mean I know why but still. That’s because they’re usually playing in the NHL though, which is reasonably. I don’t think any teams have stopped high picks from going to the WJC if they aren’t in the big leagues since playing in the WjC is better than a couple more weeks in Junior/NCAA/Europe.
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pseudodragon posted:That’s because they’re usually playing in the NHL though, which is reasonably. I don’t think any teams have stopped high picks from going to the WJC if they aren’t in the big leagues since playing in the WjC is better than a couple more weeks in Junior/NCAA/Europe. If things were normal and we weren’t in a global pandemic, he would be in the NHL and wouldn’t be playing in WJC. Thinking that would change for anything but a lockout is silly.
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An outdoor game where McDavid hits a rut and tears his ACL would be good.
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WeaponX posted:Teams never let 1st overall picks play in these tournaments outside of lockout years I don’t know why people are making a big deal out of this. I mean I know why but still. The owners sure are trying to make this a lockout year tho
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Matt Zerella posted:A whole lot of Canadians got red mad and nude on Twitter about them not letting Laf go. It was pretty funny. look we need to win this year of the WJC like we do basically every other year, it is VERY IMPORTANT
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pseudodragon posted:That’s because they’re usually playing in the NHL though, which is reasonably. I don’t think any teams have stopped high picks from going to the WJC if they aren’t in the big leagues since playing in the WjC is better than a couple more weeks in Junior/NCAA/Europe. Yeah I wonder what's different about this year
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There is deffo some sort of weird-rear end kink with respect to Canadians watching the World Juniors  ; I've never understood it.
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Even if the season isn't starting until later, they're expecting training camp to start on the 1st. The WJHC runs through the 5th and a player ought to quarantine before rejoining his NHL club. It couldn't have worked. Will laugh once the season is inevitably locked out.
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MoaM posted:There is deffo some sort of weird-rear end kink with respect to Canadians watching the World Juniors It's just the right amount of skill and competitive balance. Every year you are sure to see some of the following - very good games between very good teams - very huge murderings between last year's D1 team and whoever their opponent is - very close games between teams that, on paper, shouldn't be close (usually Switzerland for some reason) - a european goalie goes .980 and develops a cult following, willing his team to a medal game. after the tournament they are never heard from again (except Petr Mrazek, he broke the rule) - a critically important game with a ridiculous finish
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It's a fine tourney but too many people care way too much about who wins. The '05 lockout is the last time I remember paying close attention to pool standings and whatnot, otherwise I just watch whoever happens to be playing and root for underdogs.
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The world juniors became really big (from what I remember) during the 05 lockout year. Canadians needed hockey to watch and the media needed content. Because of the lockout the talent level was really high. The final was Canada (with Crosby, Bergeron, Mike Richards, Weber, etc) against Russia (with Ovechkin, Malkin, Kuznetsov, Radulov etc). And that was the start of Canada winning five in a row so Canadians got hooked. Also for me, short tournaments are perfect to watch. I don't really follow tennis, golf, basketball etc. But I will watch tournament play for big events or playoffs.
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