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ImpAtom posted:He was an amalgam of Ryne's two dads and her dragon grandpa. Yeah, but for most of the fight he has just one voice, though distorted. I think I heard double for the opening line and will need to check when I run it again.
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Senator Drinksalot posted:Either way it was a good fight We had the dead trying to figure out what was going on and relaying that info to the living. The first two I figured things out pretty quick (though Cloud I still don't know how much leeway some things have, as a bard I didn't need to stand still), the fourth had people who knew the fight marking themselves for follow the leader, that was the one where I got to figure it out on the fly like I enjoy.
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Eimi posted:The ending shot of the Eden raid is real 'subtle'. I hope one day's Japanese media companies can reach the levels of representation US media was a decade ago. Having the rest the final shot on a wink wink subtext image in 2020 is just kind of sad
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multijoe posted:I hope one day's Japanese media companies can reach the levels of representation US media was a decade ago. Having the rest the final shot on a wink wink subtext image in 2020 is just kind of sad I mean at least they're doing this with major characters who are the focus of the story and have a big poster doing the same? Idk I'd rather have this than random minor npc in the background who doesn't matter be gay like in WoW. WoW gets no points until Anduin or Jaina or whoever is gay. 
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I fell into a nice familiar groove with the MSQ dealing with painfully Eorzean topics, and it felt like a return to the more grounded escapades of 2.X, so much that I completely forgot half the poo poo that was in the trailer until the last quest slammed them all into me one after another
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multijoe posted:I hope one day's Japanese media companies can reach the levels of representation US media was a decade ago. Having the rest the final shot on a wink wink subtext image in 2020 is just kind of sad Ah yes, American media absolutely has no hangups about portraying a gay cou-  And certainly all Japanese media is completely afraid of anything having to do with same sex relationships. (And, again, the characters in this scene literally are acting out Squall and Rinoa's scene which nobody had problem considering romantic.) They could be more overt but "overt" and "romance in Final Fantasy" are not exactly something that goes together very often considering in half the games in the series the most legendary destined lovers do is have a REAL LONG hug. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Dec 9, 2020 |
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ImpAtom posted:Ah yes, American media absolutely has no hangups about portraying a gay cou- I don't think I said American media is infallible, but there's plenty of adult and young adult media with extremely up and front queer representation now and even Korra walked so other shows could run. So I do think there's a substantive different to be made between that and Japanese media, where with only a few honourable exceptions, the default position is still to bury it in the subtext.
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For what it's worth, Yoshi P has said his problems when it comes to being able to show more progressive stuff is that Square is a global company and that includes the elephant in the room that is China. Given how much they go out of their way to let outfits be worn by whoever, keeping the worst of guys cool girls sexy to a minimum, and are supportive of this stuff, I dunno. poo poo's complicated I guess? As is it's romantic to me. 
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multijoe posted:I don't think I said American media is infallible, but there's plenty of adult and young adult media with extremely up and front queer representation now and even Korra walked so other shows could run. So I do think there's a substantive different to be made between that and Japanese media, where with only a few honourable exceptions, the default position is still to bury it in the subtext. The biggest fuckign western media giant Avengers: Endgame was loving pushed super hard as big and bold for gay rep was a random extra going "I miss my husband." and captain america nodding stoically. that's not any better than just heavily implying that they're gay and writing to story as if they were and just not saying it.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:The biggest fuckign western media giant Avengers: Endgame was loving pushed super hard as big and bold for gay rep was a random extra going "I miss my husband." and captain america nodding stoically. that's not any better than just heavily implying that they're gay and writing to story as if they were and just not saying it. Yeah like, would I like them to say they are gay? You bet. But at least they're teasing main characters. That shot in Avengers might've meant something if it was Cap missing Bucky or something, but nope, thanks random extra man. Or how about that lesbian kiss in Star Wars where random bridge crew extra kisses some other extra? Such representation.
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multijoe posted:I don't think I said American media is infallible, but there's plenty of adult and young adult media with extremely up and front queer representation now and even Korra walked so other shows could run. So I do think there's a substantive different to be made between that and Japanese media, where with only a few honourable exceptions, the default position is still to bury it in the subtext. I am not clear how this is different from American media. I also am not clear why you think gay and lesbian media in Japan is some magical unicorn. There is a whole ton of it. If your only point of reference is video games *maybe* but even then the only reason you might feel remotely differently is that indie games do a whole loving ton of lifting which you don't get to see from Japan because like one in a thousand of their indie games gets translated. If you compared AAA titles you'd probably see better representation overall from Japanese media! It's weirdly narrow to go "Those Japanese, they only do subtext" when like... no, they don't. They do it blatantly all the time. Even within the extremely fuckin' narrow subset of "Japanese video games and anime translated for American consumption" you *still* see plenty of it. Now to be fair a good portion of that is offensive in some fashion but same goes for American media. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 01:20 on Dec 9, 2020 |
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ImpAtom posted:I am not clear how this is different from American media. I also am not clear why you think gay and lesbian media in Japan is some magical unicorn. There is a whole ton of it. If your only point of reference is video games *maybe* but even then the only reason you might feel remotely differently is that indie games do a whole loving ton of lifting which you don't get to see from Japan because like one in a thousand of their indie games gets translated. If you compared AAA titles you'd probably see better representation overall from Japanese media! I dunno if Fire Emblem is AAA yet, but Three Houses was gay as hell.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:The biggest fuckign western media giant Avengers: Endgame was loving pushed super hard as big and bold for gay rep was a random extra going "I miss my husband." and captain america nodding stoically. that's not any better than just heavily implying that they're gay and writing to story as if they were and just not saying it. This is Avengers just gesturing towards a lazy token scene it doesn't really care about though, rather than the writers clearly wanting to write a gay storyline but being stonewalled by cultural circumstances, which is the phenomena I'm trying to point out. Curious about the China line though, is FF14 really that big in China that it has to be factored in like that?
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America and Japan are both bad but it's important to demand as hard as possible for them to do better, because now that we're getting good representation, it's becoming more and more clear to me how much growing up without that representation hosed me up, and it's complete bullshit that "we have to bow to China's standards or we wouldn't make as much money" is considered an acceptable excuse. Every step forward counts and we're 100% correct to demand it as our right.
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Huh, it looks like the Void Quests aren't part of the role quest section; they aren't anywhere in the journal at all for that matter. Odd.
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Zomborgon posted:Huh, it looks like the Void Quests aren't part of the role quest section; they aren't anywhere in the journal at all for that matter. Odd. They're under Sidequests 
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ImpAtom posted:They're under Sidequests I totally looked there but I suppose my eyes are worse than I thought! Thanks.
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Zomborgon posted:I totally looked there but I suppose my eyes are worse than I thought! Thanks. No biggie. They're squirreled the hell away.
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yoshi has been clear in the past that it's also not just japan he has to think about - it's the big markets in china and southeast asia. interested in what wow china does with its recent additions, on that subject. that said, the difference between the two is also a difference in tone and voice that the game goes for. 14 has had direct gay people explicitly said as such before, it just also tends to step around explicit romance a lot. e: consider also that the only actual named married couple that comes clearly to mind is loving godbert and julyan Mister Olympus fucked around with this message at 02:12 on Dec 9, 2020 |
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Looks like most of the ones you didn't mention are from the Cardinal Gods line (Byakko, Seiryu, etc, and one if the monkey king from the second dungeon) The second on the top row is Doom Train, the one next to it is the last boss from St. Mocianne Hard I think. Also has any one who's finished the MSQ: found more of those towers around the world? I'm seen ones in OLN and the Lochs obviously, but I've also seen them in Southern Thanalan, Dravanian Forelands, and South Shroud, but I haven't been every where yet.
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Mister Olympus posted:yoshi has been clear in the past that it's also not just japan he has to think about - it's the big markets in china and southeast asia. interested in what wow china does with its recent additions, on that subject. Are you forgetting about the best couple of Smol Catman and Big Catmom?
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On top of that, I learned today that the name 'Ultimecia' was translated differently in different languages. And that English... was maybe one of the ones that got it wrong.
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I'm so glad the second we get back on the source it's full on "You know those villains with pathos and flawed but understandable worldviews and tragic histories and motives? gently caress that, no more subtly. Monsters who ruin everything they touch only!" it's legit a nice split and a good way to show that even with all the knowledge and power and understanding we've gained some people are still going to loving be huge pricks. 'Burn out the Bad' and the testing cutscene after were....amazing in how instantly they made me enjoy hating this piece of poo poo. Also the new dungeon has some visuals that blew me away and the final boss's "Knock you up to reveal the knockback that precedes the AoE" was so loving cool.
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How colorful the underground section of the dungeon is only made me think of this ancient cartoon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KNdKEyuoso
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:I'm so glad the second we get back on the source it's full on "You know those villains with pathos and flawed but understandable worldviews and tragic histories and motives? gently caress that, no more subtly. Monsters who ruin everything they touch only!" Yeah, I am 100% in favor of villains with understandable motivations but especially in the year 2020 I'm glad to have the chance to punch a creepy fucker in his face or see him get crushed by a mecha or whatever. They made him so hateable he has to have some kind of special death.
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Really digging that the central thesis of the Weapon project is trying to kill us by filling technology we've already wrecked with people we've already killed. The finest minds in the empire.
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Eox posted:Really digging that the central thesis of the Weapon project is trying to kill us by filling technology we've already wrecked with people we've already killed. The finest minds in the empire. Look, the Black Wolf cannot fail; he can only be failed.
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"You can't beat the empire's finest!" *overwrites self with guy i kill while watching netflix*
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Eox posted:Really digging that the central thesis of the Weapon project is trying to kill us by filling technology we've already wrecked with people we've already killed. The finest minds in the empire. To be fair I think it is less specifically targeted at us and more targeted at everyone who isn't us. Once the And for anyone who isn't us it is an absolute kickshitter of a weapon. It's a stronger-than-Ultima-Weapon tier machine that if you are too dangerous for it can overcharge itself and summon loving Meteor or whatever. Even for people who can theoretically handle an Ultima Weapon like our boy Estinein having to fight five Diamond Weapons at once would be too much.
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