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KirbyKhan posted:Yes, give me the vax equivalent of scraping out the resin in my bong. I don't think it's quite like that! To do dumb math, it's like every shot is 3 mL and every 5-dose vial has 22mL in it. A typical vaccinator might pull 4mL per dose, then shoot the extra 1mL into the sink if they pulled too much. I've noticed my vaccinators do that a lot with stuff like flu vaccines to make sure their dosage is exact. So that vial yields five doses with not enough left over for a sixth/seventh. With the massive shortage, vaccinators are being ultra-precise and pulling 3.5mL per shot (~18mL, 4mL left), so hey, there's an extra full dose in that vial! Rad! And the ultra-vaccinator pulls 3.1mL per shot (~15.5mL, 6.5mL left) and holy poo poo, two extra doses! The vaccinators just asked Pfizer if that vaccine resin was fine, they redirected the folks to the FDA, and the FDA is basically sayin gently caress YEAH SMOKE WEED
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Dec 17, 2020 00:15
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housebroken americans thanking the rich because some crumbs fell off the table itt
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Dec 17, 2020 00:16
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I don't see the premise here. Was the PPP bad? No, it provided support to business that needed it. There were also people that took advantage of it. This isn't exclusive with the fact that billionaires are milking the citizens of the US. The greedy will look to exploit any mechanism they can.
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Dec 17, 2020 00:21
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lightpole posted:The greedy will look to exploit any mechanism they can.
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Dec 17, 2020 00:22
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Woofer posted:I guess since people got the bare minimum we should just let the greedy shithouse us then, then talk about how much help they gave us. This is the inverse of the argument "We should cut unemployment because there's some dude eating lobster on his unemployment!" Instead it's "gently caress this program that helped a bunch of small businesses because billionaires benefited too and they're way more visible than the small businesses!" In summary, Shut Up Cole.
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Dec 17, 2020 00:25
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Raerlynn posted:This is the inverse of the argument "We should cut unemployment because there's some dude eating lobster on his unemployment!" gently caress you prick What I’m getting from this thread is that if minimum wage went from $7.25 to $10, I shouldn’t bitch about minimum wage because hey, that raise would help a lot of people.
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Dec 17, 2020 00:26
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Woofer posted:I guess since people got the bare minimum we should just let the greedy shithouse us then, then talk about how much help they gave us. You are quite literally the only one that has made this argument and aren't bothering to hear anyone. As I said, PPP gave ~3ish months and should have been one pillar, nobody said it was perfect or enough. lightpole fucked around with this message at 00:30 on Dec 17, 2020 |
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Dec 17, 2020 00:27
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lightpole posted:I don't see the premise here. Was the PPP bad? No, it provided support to business that needed it. There were also people that took advantage of it. This isn't exclusive with the fact that billionaires are milking the citizens of the US. The greedy will look to exploit any mechanism they can. The PPP was designed in a way that allowed unscrupulous business owners to take advantage with no real recourse, and that wasn't an accident. Not to mention the outright corrupt administration of the program. Just because something could have been worse doesn't mean it was good.
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Dec 17, 2020 00:28
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Woofer posted:gently caress you prick Same vibe I helped set up the PPP pipeline for my job back in July. Been unemployed since.
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Dec 17, 2020 00:28
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Yer, weird posts. No solution has been offered beyond "don't take the desperately needed stimulus money and instead take a $750 social justice course" Not exactly inspiring confidence here, no one thinks the stimulus was adequate and no one is happy with the way the country has been run. Dont attack random people on the forums for us policy?
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Dec 17, 2020 00:29
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Acebuckeye13 posted:I understand where you're coming from and you are obviously justifiably angry but you're also being a bit of a jerk about it when you keep making these kinds of posts. It's not like Best Friends was personally responsible for the disbursement and administration of PPP loans (...Probably. Has anyone seen him and Steve Mnuchin in the same room?), and it's not like he's defending the massive corruption and graft—merely noting that in spite of the graft, the program did do a lot to help people who needed it. And obviously people should demand more direct relief, nobody disagrees with that—but another round of PPP will do good in helping people. My brother's non-profit was directly responsible for handing out PPP loans. He helps small to medium businesses that are struggling to get access to capital. While there were a bunch of dumbass things about the program, he said at the time the pot of money needed to be about 10x larger so that he could help all the folks he works with.
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Dec 17, 2020 00:29
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Woofer posted:I guess since people got the bare minimum we should just let the greedy shithouse us then, then talk about how much help they gave us. You're taking a very extreme attitude here—"It helped those who didn't need it in addition to those who did need it, therefore the program was a scam" But let's frame it in another way—if someone's taking advantage of welfare, should the entire program be shut down? Because to a degree, that's what we're talking about here—welfare fraud writ large. And what I (And others) are saying is that even if the program benefited those who didn't deserve it, it helped a lot of people who did—and instead of looking at the entire program as a sham, we should instead be looking towards better management and administration of these programs, in addition to other reforms of relief.
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Dec 17, 2020 00:32
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Acebuckeye13 posted:You're taking a very extreme attitude here—"It helped those who didn't need it in addition to those who did need it, therefore the program was a scam" The program is a scam. Yes. I agree. Give people just enough of a nibble to defend the scam and you don’t need to hire lobbyists anymore. How about this: if minimum wage goes up to $10, that will help millions of people. Can I still be pissed at how insignificant that help is, even though it benefits millions of people? Woofer fucked around with this message at 00:36 on Dec 17, 2020 |
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Dec 17, 2020 00:33
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facialimpediment posted:Well here's some hilarious good news. A friend was joking with me that it's the inverse of how vaping weed is...I assume they are habitually underfilled (meaning legally regulated ones where they can't just cut it with "Chinese Research Chemicals")? Also with 61 posts in an hour I thought we were flushing the bombers and locking up the mountain.
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Dec 17, 2020 00:33
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Abongination posted:Yer, weird posts. -Continue to provide support for business, focusing on small business - not "small" businesses that just technically fall under SBA requirements. -Provide real transparency and oversight of this support so that the benefits go to employees instead of shareholders/owners. -Put way more money into direct support and unemployment payments. -gently caress liability exemptions. Acebuckeye13 posted:You're taking a very extreme attitude here—"It helped those who didn't need it in addition to those who did need it, therefore the program was a scam" I don't really care if someone barely over the poverty line gets some food stamps they didn't technically qualify for or whatever. The issue is that the US Treasury has been looted for billions (if not tens or hundreds of billions) of dollars by wealthy business owners because a crisis was used to firehose money at the rich. 
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Dec 17, 2020 00:35
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Cole, just go back to posting in cspam unless you've been ejected from there by the mods and that's the reason you came back here to make posts that throwing the baby out with the bathwater is actually a good thing that should be done.
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Dec 17, 2020 00:37
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orange juche posted:Cole, just go back to posting in cspam unless you've been ejected from there by the mods and that's the reason you came back here to make posts that throwing the baby out with the bathwater is actually a good thing that should be done. No
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Dec 17, 2020 00:37
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orange juche posted:Cole, just go back to posting in cspam unless you've been ejected from there by the mods and that's the reason you came back here to make posts that throwing the baby out with the bathwater is actually a good thing that should be done. Man gently caress off with that. Coles been here for a DECADE, not gonna ask folks like that to scoot off.
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Dec 17, 2020 00:38
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orange juche posted:No, you posting is loving exhausting dude. There's an easy fix and it's absolutely worthwhile.
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Dec 17, 2020 00:41
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Godholio posted:There's an easy fix and it's absolutely worthwhile. Toobin while Zooming? I kid I kid...seriously I still can't believe he did that. Granted with the school board whackjob in NJ, who brought her laptop into the bathroom with her, suggests zoom stupidity is quite widespread.
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Dec 17, 2020 00:42
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Godholio posted:There's an easy fix and it's absolutely worthwhile. Fine, y'all have fun with him.
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Dec 17, 2020 00:43
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Leave Cole alone, his opinion isn't really wrong and he has a valid point. I think everyone in here supports the premise that PPP wasn't enough and was poorly administered. Properly used, it did have a very positive effect though. We should expect more from our government however the change required to reach that is enormous as half the country believes giving money to billionaires is a great thing. Creating that change requires starting small like learning how to organize and creating a message.
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Dec 17, 2020 00:48
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giving businesses money so that a percentage of that goes towards the employees is stupid as gently caress when you could just give employees money directly
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Dec 17, 2020 00:48
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If minimum wage goes up to $10, that will objectively benefit millions and millions of people. I would still criticize anyone who said “but it’s helped a lot of people” when I point out that it’s still a poo poo sandwich fed to you by billionaires to get you to shut the gently caress up for a little while, and you should absolutely not be happy about it. Take the raise, but don’t loving accept it.
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Dec 17, 2020 00:50
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I promise I will mock anyone who gets a federal raise to $10 min wage and then says "There. We're done and satisfied forever!" But those people don't really exist.
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Dec 17, 2020 00:52
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I think PPP money should only go to business owners that are 1) a Pell Grant Recipient who 2) starts a business in a disadvantaged community and 3) manages to keep that business afloat for at least three years.
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Dec 17, 2020 00:52
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In summary, PPP is a land of contrasts.
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Dec 17, 2020 00:53
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slorb posted:I think PPP money should only go to business owners that are 1) a Pell Grant Recipient who 2) starts a business in a disadvantaged community and 3) manages to keep that business afloat for at least three years. PPP, even if it were perfect, wasn't designed as investment capital for NEW businesses, though? And gently caress #3, shitloads of businesses go under just because of mass market forces that screw them over, not just from owner looting the coffers.
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Dec 17, 2020 00:54
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mlmp08 posted:PPP, even if it were perfect, wasn't designed as investment capital for NEW businesses, though? And gently caress #3, shitloads of businesses go under just because of mass market forces that screw them over, not just from owner looting the coffers. It's a joke about the Harris student debt forgiveness plan/farce
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Dec 17, 2020 00:56
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Woofer posted:If minimum wage goes up to $10, that will objectively benefit millions and millions of people. If you are starving and someone offers you a cheeseburger do you turn it down and hold out for breakfast, lunch and dinner? The GOP and Mitch have held a gun to the publics head, preventing direct payments, pushing loose requirements to recieve money, limiting liability etc. I'm not going to judge someone that takes the $10 increase because they loving need it. This doesn't mean they can't push for more but if you want them to hold out for it you better have a good loving plan. I want to discuss this because you are right but I don't know how to overcome the resistance from half the country. Does pushing to call the GOP and get them to pull the trigger cause more misery or will it lead to better things? lightpole fucked around with this message at 01:00 on Dec 17, 2020 |
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Dec 17, 2020 00:57
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lightpole posted:If you are starving and someone offers you a cheeseburger do you turn it down and hold out for breakfast, lunch and dinner? The GOP and Mitch have held a gun to the publics head, preventing direct payments, pushing loose requirements to recieve money, limiting liability etc. I'm not going to judge someone that takes the $10 increase because they loving need it. This doesn't mean they can't push for more but if you want them to hold out for it you better have a good loving plan. If I’m starving and a billionaire offers me a cheeseburger I’m eating the cheeseburger and then beating the poo poo out of the billionaire because they could’ve done way loving more. At no point will I say I’m no longer starving. Also in your scenario the billionaire is sitting in front of an all you can eat buffet, and they only offered me a loving cheeseburger. Woofer fucked around with this message at 01:01 on Dec 17, 2020 |
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Dec 17, 2020 00:58
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lightpole posted:If you are starving and someone offers you a cheeseburger do you turn it down and hold out for breakfast, lunch and dinner? The GOP and Mitch have held a gun to the publics head, preventing direct payments, pushing loose requirements to recieve money, limiting liability etc. I'm not going to judge someone that takes the $10 increase because they loving need it. This doesn't mean they can't push for more but if you want them to hold out for it you better have a good loving plan. Who's calling out business owners that weren't abusing the program for taking PPP money? The issues and argument are with the design and predictable abuse of the program.
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Dec 17, 2020 00:59
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KirbyKhan posted:It's a joke about the Harris student debt forgiveness plan/farce Oh, derp. In other news: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTgBfRTABs4
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Dec 17, 2020 01:00
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orange juche posted:Cole, just go back to posting in cspam unless you've been ejected from there by the mods and that's the reason you came back here to make posts that throwing the baby out with the bathwater is actually a good thing that should be done. 
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Dec 17, 2020 01:09
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Who's calling out business owners that weren't abusing the program for taking PPP money? The issues and argument are with the design and predictable abuse of the program. Who are your arguing with. Everyone agrees
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Space Force Enlisted: still Enlisted https://twitter.com/jaredbkeller/status/1339338189824286720
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Dec 17, 2020 01:14
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facialimpediment posted:Space Force Enlisted: still Enlisted Goddamn do we have the same Twitter feed? I was just about to post that.  Well at least he didn’t get it form a pawn shop at an APR of 29.99%
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lightpole posted:
I don’t know. I want people to organize. I am very obviously not the greatest at organizing because I’m so passionate about people getting equitable treatment that I obviously come across as confrontational. But I find myself not caring how confrontational I come across because I am so very loving pissed off at this country. The only thing I know to do right now is educate myself. So like I said, I will be taking a course in January specifically geared towards nonviolent mobilization for social change. The people teaching these courses are subject matter experts in this, because they’ve lived it. This school legitimately produces people who are able to go into their communities and enact change. I am trying to learn from people, because I’m all thumbs (figuratively and literally — at this point all I know how to do is bitch online). I’m loving trying, y’all. I’m about to have anger tears because I want everyone to be as angry and passionate about this poo poo as I am. I want everyone screaming from rooftops. I want everyone marching. I want everyone to fight, and to not stop fighting until we achieve equity in this loving country. I don’t give a flying gently caress what it will cost me. I’m so goddamn sick of people just complaining. I want people off their asses. Nothing will change unless. The Democrats aren’t going to steer themselves left. If we can’t steer them, then I want to build a brick loving wall for them to drive into. And I’m very obviously sick of people accepting crumbs from billionaires. gently caress those people (the billionaires). They don’t get to be satisfied because they gave my starving rear end a cheeseburger when they were sitting at a buffet. And nobody else should EVER loving be satisfied with that poo poo either. I don’t like some of you. Some of you don’t like me. But I want all of you to be taken care of. I don’t want any of you to have to worry about shelter, food, health insurance. And if it takes being an insufferable prick with unlimited arguing stamina, kicking some doors in or knocking some skulls around then so loving be it. Woofer fucked around with this message at 01:23 on Dec 17, 2020 |
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I guess I don't understand. Wasn't the stipulation for the PPP loan that you not fire people? These companies that fired people will have to pay it back right? Didn't some airliner fire a bunch of people like hours after getting their loan? I assume they have some way of getting around it? Or at least passing the bill onto the consumers somehow while retaining less of a workforce? 
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