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John_A_Tallon
Nov 22, 2000

Oh my! Check out that mitre!

CantStopWhatsComin posted:

Moral? You dare bring up ethical considerations while still supporting government issued, violence-backed fiat scrip?

The only ethical choice is to divest your wealth from the state. Force your government to capitulate to bitcoin by starving its currency of value. And that is exactly what's going to happen to every sovereign nation on Earth, sooner or later.

You have the moral fiber of a turd so I don't expect you to behave like anything but a greedy creep. Ethical considerations are for people who are actually capable of not behaving like criminals. Your own behavior here is exactly what a stalker would do.

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DerekSmartymans
Feb 14, 2005

The
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Waltzing Along posted:

^^^

That's the good stuff there.

Much better than my rambling! Thanks!

Ad by Khad
Jul 25, 2007

Human Garbage
Watch me try to laugh this title off like the dickbag I am.

I also hang out with racists.

Blotto_Otter posted:

There are one of two ways bitcoin advocates address this problem: 1) just yell "you're wrong," with either an incoherent explanation or vague promises that some innovation will change the situation at some vague point in the future, or 2) sidestep it by saying "it's a store of value" rather than a medium of exchange. If #1, then we just go in circles. If #2, then we go down the different argument of why it's a dumb idea for a store of value, which then ends in yelling "you're wrong" with a different incoherent explanation.

The bonus round to this is that when someone has actually tried within the btc community to advocate for changes that would make it more viable as a currency or as a store of value, they are prevented from doing so because the miners aren't interested in things other than their bottom line.

One of the main causes of the fork wars three years ago was an attempt to make btc go beyond 7 transactions per second, for example

kw0134
Apr 19, 2003

I buy feet pics🍆

"Bitcoin is a response to the heavyhandedness of FIAT banking!"

"Okay, here are some changes to make it easier and more useful."

"BUT THAT WILL DILUTE THE POWER OF EXISTING BITCOIN HOLDERS, gently caress YOU GOT MINE"

the holy poopacy
May 16, 2009

hey! check this out
Fun Shoe

Blotto_Otter posted:

The only way I know of to quickly pull out real money is to have your BTC on a banked exchange like Coinbase, and sell it for USD/withdraw USD when you need to. (And I use "quickly" as a relative term, since I have no idea how fast Coinbase is about wiring out USD, or how deep their order book is and how soon you might crash the price if you try selling a lot at once.) But of course that defeats some of the supposed purpose of having bitcoin in the first place, as to do that you're not actually in possession of your bitcoin, the exchange is, and you're at the mercy of the exchange and their trustworthiness and security - and you're not actually transacting anything on the blockchain, you're just making trades with other Coinbase customers on Coinbase's own ledgers. This situation is even *more* centralized than trading in stocks and bonds - at least in those markets, the brokerages that hold your securities are not one and the same with the exchange on which they are traded.

The core problem that bitcoin advocates keep dancing around is that bitcoin is fundamentally unviable as a medium of exchange. The design of bitcoin, from both a technical and an economic standpoint, make it such that it is never going to see widespread use as a form of money. Inherently deflationary, not fungible, low transactional capacity, high transactional expenses, extremely difficult to use, extremely difficult to secure, inherently public and non-anonymous - this is not a desirable set of attributes for a medium of exchange!

There are one of two ways bitcoin advocates address this problem: 1) just yell "you're wrong," with either an incoherent explanation or vague promises that some innovation will change the situation at some vague point in the future, or 2) sidestep it by saying "it's a store of value" rather than a medium of exchange. If #1, then we just go in circles. If #2, then we go down the different argument of why it's a dumb idea for a store of value, which then ends in yelling "you're wrong" with a different incoherent explanation.

So it has been for close to a decade now, so it shall be for the rest of our lives. I can't wait for seraph's rereg later today to call me an idiot for failing to see the light.

but number go up! checkmate nocoiners

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Jul 25, 2007

Human Garbage
Watch me try to laugh this title off like the dickbag I am.

I also hang out with racists.
nothing says "decentralized currency" like a rational attempt to change the rules of the open-source project more towards long-term adoption being strangled in the crib because the guy who sells all the shovels (Jihan Wu) individually said no

d0s
Jun 28, 2004

there is this old man at my work who we hired to do menial stuff and in the past month he's been talking nonstop about bitcoin and how he's putting entire (meager) paychecks into it because money is going to stop existing soon and how he's getting his wife and adult daughter to do the same. he can barely use a computer, has almost no English and buys them all through some service where you have to meet up with people irl and give them cash. it's like watching someone in the grip of a vicious MLM scheme.

vortmax
Sep 24, 2008

In meteorology, vorticity often refers to a measurement of the spin of horizontally flowing air about a vertical axis.
Never forget that Satoshi (blessed be His teeth) said in the Holy Whitepaper that Bitcoin was supposed to be a proof of concept and was never meant to be used as a serious currency / store of value / etc. He/They expected that a better version would come along to replace the original Buttcoins.

Dmitri-9
Nov 30, 2004

There's something really sexy about Scrooge McDuck. I love Uncle Scrooge.

DerekSmartymans posted:

How would a Bitcoin holder run such a business? If your empire dwarfed his USD with 1 billion “worth” of btc, can you withdraw a lot of money quickly to pay for needed big machinery replacement or even just to cover payroll? Especially if you got in as missing the Goxxing and haircuts and had a billion dollars in Tether? Can you function in the real financial world and buy a Ford 250 with Bitcoin? Can you pay for Netflix with a “smart” contract, and get your overweight brother a large order of McDonald’s fries with lite coin? Sponsor a NASCAR team with Doge (wait, I meant Etherium)?

Do you carry 100 Trazors to the co-op board and dump $500,000 of btc on a (razor-thin liquid) exchange, crashing the market 687% in five minutes? Goddamn cryptocurrency is useless and has no “value,” no matter what Andrea “the Lack of Charisma” Antometropolis says.

At one point you could buy steam codes with shitcoin but the price fluctuated too much so they got rid of that.

necrotic
Aug 2, 2005
I owe my brother big time for this!

Dmitri-9 posted:

At one point you could buy steam codes with shitcoin but the price fluctuated too much so they got rid of that.

They were using a pass thru company and didn't touch the butts themselves. Didn't they stop it because like nobody used it?

Cassius Belli
May 22, 2010

horny is prohibited

necrotic posted:

They were using a pass thru company and didn't touch the butts themselves. Didn't they stop it because like nobody used it?

Their official reason was "high fees and volatility", plus the erratic transaction times and the problem of fees for every additional transaction, if there wound up being a shortfall, overpayment, or other reason to give the customer a refund.

DerekSmartymans
Feb 14, 2005

The
Copacetic
Ascetic

Dmitri-9 posted:

At one point you could buy steam codes with shitcoin but the price fluctuated too much so they got rid of that.

I remember that. Even though btc is some weird hybrid cash on PayPal now, I wonder how long the idiot coiners are going to cause trouble trying new financial schemes that the service will actually see revenue go down when they find out their brand is associated with confidence schemes and child porn distribution. Also I find it funny if you read the small print on all of the so-called “partnerships” with mainstream finance either keep btc as far away as possible from real banking activity and some alts are even paid in USD to “adopt” their crapcoiins.

Even sex workers (like cam girls) no shitcoin isn’t money or have any value. I wish I’d saved the log of the evangelist trying to patronize them (females are stupid, you see) into adopting btc. And they recognize immediately how lovely the ecosystem around Monopoly money and holders actually are.

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



kw0134 posted:

"Bitcoin is a response to the heavyhandedness of FIAT banking!"

"Okay, here are some changes to make it easier and more useful."

"BUT THAT WILL DILUTE THE POWER OF EXISTING BITCOIN HOLDERS, gently caress YOU GOT MINE"
Their ethical system (which is all about individual responsibility) makes it impossible for them to do anything other than maximize their own individual short-term number at all possible costs. You see, we are freest when we are closest to a brainless autonomous robot.

Calvin Johnson Jr.
Dec 8, 2009
serious question: what legal things do people buy with bitcoin?

DerekSmartymans
Feb 14, 2005

The
Copacetic
Ascetic

Calvin Johnson Jr. posted:

serious question: what legal things do people buy with bitcoin?

Quarters for the laundry machines down the street?

Somfin
Oct 25, 2010

In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.

Nap Ghost

Calvin Johnson Jr. posted:

serious question: what legal things do people buy with bitcoin?

They can pay to transfer btc from one wallet to another

Ad by Khad
Jul 25, 2007

Human Garbage
Watch me try to laugh this title off like the dickbag I am.

I also hang out with racists.

Calvin Johnson Jr. posted:

serious question: what legal things do people buy with bitcoin?

every time you buy something with bitcoin you're committing the sin of not hodling and robbing your future self of that deflation value

why yes this is a lovely way to run a currency, yes of course

Jack-Off Lantern
Mar 2, 2012

Is there an up to date Zaurg thread?

Dmitri-9
Nov 30, 2004

There's something really sexy about Scrooge McDuck. I love Uncle Scrooge.
https://twitter.com/SilvermanJacob/status/1344992276280471555

I guess there is real money flowing into bitcoin right now. I hope some little people were able to take profit off of this rear end in a top hat.

Somfin
Oct 25, 2010

In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.

Nap Ghost
loving lol that the story switched from "it made me ultra wealthy" to "this will be what breaks capitalism" as soon as Seraph realised that the former was no longer a good look

Trevor Hale
Dec 8, 2008

What have I become, my Swedish friend?

Somfin posted:

loving lol that the story switched from "it made me ultra wealthy" to "this will be what breaks capitalism" as soon as Seraph realised that the former was no longer a good look

“This is going to break capitalism and become the currency of the future. My net worth goes up by $200,000 every day”

The gently caress is the point of counting your net worth in dollars then?

Beefed Owl
Sep 13, 2007

Come at me scrub-lord I'm ripped!
It's almost like people who are into Bitcoin are morons

DerekSmartymans
Feb 14, 2005

The
Copacetic
Ascetic

Beefed Owl posted:

It's almost like people who are into Bitcoin are morons

“Almost?”

Zefiel
Sep 14, 2007

You can do whatever you want in life.


You’d think that if you were so sure of the “singularity” coming, you’d use your “insider knowledge” to take steps to make sure you were well off in the upcoming times. Anyone would love to see even a glimpse of the future, for example, someone with prior knowledge of the upcoming pandemic could’ve made a killing on toilet paper, then hand sanitizer, etc.

If capitalism was coming down, how would you even prepare? I guess buying land in the middle of nowhere and preparing it so you could hunker down while poo poo hits the fan, I guess. Making it secure, stocking it with food, etc. If you’re so sure of bitcoin, setting up generators and satellite relays so you can make sure you can trade with them in the future (I know, it’s laughable already but bear with me). Getting your own self-sufficient place and maybe get some farming going, something you can offer to the starved masses of nocoiners to trade.

Instead the dude is wasting money in accounts and buying a crappy place in NYC of all places, sure that property will hold value when “capitalism goes down”.

Alternatively, post your NYE dinner seraph, show us the kind of lavish spread bitcoin can buy, I’m sure it will be scrumptious and not laughable at all

Dr. Fraiser Chain
May 18, 2004

Redlining my shit posting machine


Preparing for the fall of capitalism by being rich is the dumbest take. If your rich, capitalism didn't fall

zedprime
Jun 9, 2007

yospos

Somfin posted:

loving lol that the story switched from "it made me ultra wealthy" to "this will be what breaks capitalism" as soon as Seraph realised that the former was no longer a good look
Seraph vibrates between these takes constantly. You see actually its a good thing that south americans can buy internet junk bonds as a currency hedge against malformed protectionist currency policy therefore also owning the junk bonds is virtuous.

The capitalist value of bitcoins is very simply a measure of how well it is murdering capitalism, obviously.

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!

Calvin Johnson Jr. posted:

serious question: what legal things do people buy with bitcoin?

assassination contracts may be legal depending on your corporate jurisdiction

Gobbeldygook
May 13, 2009
Hates Native American people and tries to justify their genocides.

Put this racist on ignore immediately!

Blotto_Otter posted:

The core problem that bitcoin advocates keep dancing around is that bitcoin is fundamentally unviable as a medium of exchange. The design of bitcoin, from both a technical and an economic standpoint, make it such that it is never going to see widespread use as a form of money. Inherently deflationary, not fungible, low transactional capacity, high transactional expenses, extremely difficult to use, extremely difficult to secure, inherently public and non-anonymous - this is not a desirable set of attributes for a medium of exchange!
This is probably the single most deceptive move Bitcoiners make. They freely switch between arguing Bitcoin enables anonymity and transaction privacy and arguing Bitcoin is good because nothing is private so everything can be verified. In the dark future of bitcoin your salary, your OnlyFans subscriptions, Funko Pop purchases, and drug deals are in permanent public view and there is nothing you can do about it, you have to show hole to the whole world.

ymgve
Jan 2, 2004


:dukedog:
Offensive Clock

d0s posted:

there is this old man at my work who we hired to do menial stuff and in the past month he's been talking nonstop about bitcoin and how he's putting entire (meager) paychecks into it because money is going to stop existing soon and how he's getting his wife and adult daughter to do the same. he can barely use a computer, has almost no English and buys them all through some service where you have to meet up with people irl and give them cash. it's like watching someone in the grip of a vicious MLM scheme.

This dude is definitely getting scammed, and I don’t mean in the «Bitcoin is a ponzi» sense

PussyJusConnoisser
Jan 1, 2021

by Fluffdaddy

Zefiel posted:

Alternatively, post your NYE dinner seraph, show us the kind of lavish spread bitcoin can buy, I’m sure it will be scrumptious and not laughable at all
I had a simple feast of Pussy Au Jus.



Happy New Year, nocoiners!

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PussyJusConnoisser
Jan 1, 2021

by Fluffdaddy

Somfin posted:

loving lol that the story switched from "it made me ultra wealthy" to "this will be what breaks capitalism" as soon as Seraph realised that the former was no longer a good look
The "bitcoin breaks capitalism" theory was actually taken from a reddit post I made 5 years ago. It's from around the same time I first registered on these forums. I've been an anti-capitalist for over a decade.

Stefan Prodan
Jan 7, 2002

I deeply respect you as a human being... Some day I'm gonna make you *Mrs* Buck Turgidson!


Grimey Drawer

PussyJusConnoisser posted:

I had a simple feast of Pussy Au Jus.



Happy New Year, nocoiners!

god drat are you just bizarro universe evil ulilillia or what

PussyJusConnoisser
Jan 1, 2021

by Fluffdaddy

Stefan Prodan posted:

god drat are you just bizarro universe evil ulilillia or what
Now, you do me too much honor!

Dewgy
Nov 10, 2005

~🚚special delivery~📦
putting everything else aside who the gently caress keeps their toothbrush in a corner of their bedroom

Zefiel
Sep 14, 2007

You can do whatever you want in life.


Can someone post that photo of the TFR goon with all his guns on the bed? (his handle was Micro-something?) as a palate cleanser, thanks in advance

PussyJusConnoisser
Jan 1, 2021

by Fluffdaddy

Zefiel posted:

Can someone post that photo of the TFR goon with all his guns on the bed? (his handle was Micro-something?) as a palate cleanser, thanks in advance
If you want to see some real guns, I can take the robe off and have my wife take another photo...

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!

Zefiel posted:

(his handle was Micro-something?)

microwaves mom but flabby and lying on a gun bed

nnnotime
Sep 30, 2001

Hesitate, and you will be lost.

PussyJusConnoisser posted:

I had a simple feast of Pussy Au Jus.

Happy New Year, nocoiners!

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You know you've "made it" when you can simply manage oral hygiene from the comfort of your own bed.

Bitcoin: thread eternally sponsored by Seraph84 and Crest's products for the bedside

nnnotime fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Jan 1, 2021

Bacon Terrorist
May 7, 2010

to ride eternal, shiny and chrome

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2022

PussyJusConnoisser posted:

If you want to see some real guns, I can take the robe off and have my wife take another photo...

Yes yes I'm sure your dong size is as impressive as your interior decor.

Bacon Terrorist fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Jan 1, 2021

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Bogus Adventure
Jan 11, 2017

More like "Bulges Adventure"

PussyJusConnoisser posted:

I had a simple feast of Pussy Au Jus.



Happy New Year, nocoiners!

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Based on that bedroom, looks like bitcoin is really paying off.

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