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Skwirl posted:Comics speculators are, quite frankly, completely loving bonkers. Remember when Joker's Daughter with lenticular cover was going for like, $50 because comics speculators were 100% sure she was going to be the next big character? poo poo, I even briefly considered buying a few copies and putting them on eBay, but I also figured I didn't want to be known as the person who bought multiple copies of Joker's Daughter. I like my local comic shop, I want to be able to show my face around there (as a figure of speech, not literally at the moment).
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Siegkrow posted:N52 superman is younger, brasher, and a bit more relatable. He still is Good Guy supreme, but he at least feels like he would sit down with you for beers instead of giving you a warm cup of milk and sending you to bed. He was also vegan, and refused to shoot people in video games.
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Open Marriage Night posted:He was also vegan, and refused to shoot people in video games. So he'd take you out for beer but it'd be an IPA with way too much loving hops. catlord posted:Remember when Joker's Daughter with lenticular cover was going for like, $50 because comics speculators were 100% sure she was going to be the next big character? poo poo, I even briefly considered buying a few copies and putting them on eBay, but I also figured I didn't want to be known as the person who bought multiple copies of Joker's Daughter. I like my local comic shop, I want to be able to show my face around there (as a figure of speech, not literally at the moment). Back when I had more disposable income I once thought about just buying the first issue of every new Image book as they came out, under the theory that if even one of them became the next Walking Dead it would pay for the rest, then I realized if I actually owned a copy of Walking Dead #1 I would probably never sell it barring needing money for the hospital or to prevent eviction.
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Dec 31, 2020 00:29
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A rushed line-wide reboot that eliminated a lot of fan-favourite characters was a terrible idea but I don't think the comics from that New52 era were unusually bad, especially when you include some of the ones that started later like Grayson or Lemire's Green Arrow.
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Dec 31, 2020 00:31
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Demon Knights and I, Vampire were really good books that came out of 52. Swamp Thing and Animal Man were also really good until they got to their bloated crossover. Animal Man was especially great if you like body horror stuff.
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Dec 31, 2020 01:15
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De-Powered Hipster Super-Bro was pretty awesome in concept riding around on a Harley, using strips of his cape as knuckle covers and fighting strips. Super classic "S" and shield design with some jeans and biker boots.
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I've got a copy of Saga #1 that I'm probably never going to part with, even though it's going for a pretty decent amount.Doctor Spaceman posted:A rushed line-wide reboot that eliminated a lot of fan-favourite characters was a terrible idea but I don't think the comics from that New52 era were unusually bad, especially when you include some of the ones that started later like Grayson or Lemire's Green Arrow. Fully agree. The idea behind the New 52 was terrible but there were a lot of really neat and quality books under the label.
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Dec 31, 2020 01:29
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I'll second E2. I really enjoyed it for most of the run. Fury of Firestorm was one of the worst N52 books.
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Dec 31, 2020 01:50
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drat, yeah Demon Knights was good as hell. Also, I really loved the Frankenstein book but the Rotworld crossover really didn't help it, Animal Man, or Swamp Thing (mainly due to over staying its welcome). Animal Man afterwards was incredible though. Earth 2 was absolutely one of the best N52 books. It was pretty interesting to see young versions of the JSA characters, and they really let the writers go wild because it is in a different universe. Making Green Lantern just Swamp Thing and not an Alien Space Wizard was brilliant. Makes Solomon Grundy bring his villain way cooler too.
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Dec 31, 2020 01:54
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The new Superman in E2 was pretty fantastic, has Val popped up since Rebirth?
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Dec 31, 2020 02:01
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Lord_Hambrose posted:drat, yeah Demon Knights was good as hell. Also, I really loved the Frankenstein book but the Rotworld crossover really didn't help it, Animal Man, or Swamp Thing (mainly due to over staying its welcome). Animal Man afterwards was incredible though. Frankenstein was already over when the Rot crossover occurred. It had one more issues after the three issues of rotworld. Matt Kindt is always awesome.
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Dec 31, 2020 02:54
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I also remember Hawkman, Captain Atom, Static, Men of War and Mr Terrific being exceptionally bad.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:A rushed line-wide reboot that eliminated a lot of fan-favourite characters was a terrible idea but I don't think the comics from that New52 era were unusually bad, especially when you include some of the ones that started later like Grayson or Lemire's Green Arrow. I mean, the "New 52" era lasted a long while, technically the first New 52 comic I bought was Gotham Academy. It should probably be split into two sections, Early New 52 when it was largely poo poo, and Late New 52 when DC realised that they messed up and had to fix stuff, and when a lot of the better New 52 comics came out. You could see the road to Rebirth for a while, really. Didn't they have the New 52 branding on their comics for like, four years? I remember trolling a friend with "hey, they're getting rid of the New 52!" and them getting real excited and then real disappointing when they realised it was just the little brand logo. Edit: vv Oh, right. I forgot about DCYou, we don't need a new label at all. catlord fucked around with this message at 03:06 on Dec 31, 2020 |
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Dec 31, 2020 02:59
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The second wave of 52 or whatever was the terribly titled DCYou which gave us Grayson, Gotham Academy, the new costumed Batgirl, Omega Men, Midnighter, Prez and was generally well received despite having a terrible name
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Dec 31, 2020 03:04
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Did anything happen with E2 GL? I fell off the book fairly early and IIRC he was looking for his husband or something.
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Dec 31, 2020 03:14
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They... might be doing something with him in Future State? I think?
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Dec 31, 2020 03:23
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Rhyno posted:Static His original comic ended on a cliffhanger about a school shooting. His cartoon ended with everyone but him and his friend depowered. His sad, short stint on the Titans ended with the New52. So of course you start his new book with the mystery that his one sister nobody remembers is now two sisters nobody remembers and whoops we're cancelled forget all that whatever it was.
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Dec 31, 2020 03:39
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Madkal posted:The second wave of 52 or whatever was the terribly titled DCYou which gave us Grayson, Gotham Academy, the new costumed Batgirl, Omega Men, Midnighter, Prez and was generally well received despite having a terrible name Dial H was great.
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Dec 31, 2020 05:43
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Inkspot posted:His original comic ended on a cliffhanger about a school shooting. His cartoon ended with everyone but him and his friend depowered. His sad, short stint on the Titans ended with the New52. So of course you start his new book with the mystery that his one sister nobody remembers is now two sisters nobody remembers and whoops we're cancelled forget all that whatever it was. The Nu-52 Static was a shitshow from the start. The artist basically went over the writer's head in what seemed like a clash of egos and the editors went over both their heads because the editors at DC were basically given ultimate control on certain titles.
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Dec 31, 2020 05:44
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Theoretically shouldn't the editors have ultimate control over every title?
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Dec 31, 2020 05:47
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Yes but not in the way that DC editorial was in those days. There are stories from a few creators about how the editors were basically writing the books or saying what can and cannot be in the story.
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Dec 31, 2020 06:10
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Skwirl posted:Theoretically shouldn't the editors have ultimate control over every title? Scenario A: DC upper management decides that now is the time to give Skeets his own solo ongoing series. A number of writers give their pitches, and the editor's favorite is from Chris Ware, who wants Skeets to be a private detective living on the moon, who is married to Wonder Woman. After some conversations with different editorial offices, the editor tells Ware that Skeets can't be married to Wonder Woman because she's busy in other comics, but maybe his wife could be Maxima? Scenario B: Chris Ware gets his Skeets series approved, and begins work on it. The story bible lays out that at the end of the first year Skeets's spouse Scenario C: Skeets #9 comes out with a scene where "Maxima" reveals her true self to Booster Gold, who faints from fear. After the book is written and drawn, the editor decides he doesn't think the scene 'works' and reworks the scene without consulting Ware so that what really happens is that Booster Gold gets so horny at seeing "Maxima" take off her wig that he gets an erection pill-induced aneurysm and dies. Ware finds out after the fact that he can't use Booster Gold anymore, because he is dead from a boner aneurysm. Plus the editor never really liked Booster Gold that much anyway, they regret ever giving the green light to let Booster Gold be a supporting character in a Booster Gold series. Scenario D: Chris Ware gets a memo from his editor with a plot outline for Skeets: Lunar Gumshoe issues #12-18 from the editor, letting him know he has to drop all of his other plotlines because the book is now a swords and sorcery romp that is crossing over with Warlord and also issues 15-18 will be a direct 'aftermath' story from the Shitload of Batmans and A Few More Batmans We Just Found fifth week events. Skeets is a wizard now, and his evil sister Steeks has taken over the moon. The whole wife thing just wasn't working, but they've got Frank Tieri tying off some loose ends in a Skeets Annual. And Skeets is a Libertarian now. The editor is going to be rewriting some dialogue from issue 10-11 to better reflect the new direction the book is taking. If you don't like it, you can always quit! Strictly speaking all four of these scenarios are within the legal/contractual/whatever rights of the editor to have "ultimate control"; different writers have different comfort levels with each other these types of interference, and broadly speaking Scenarios A+B are things you have to kind of accept if you're doing WFH. Scenarios C+D are pretty lovely. DC was leaning pretty far into C+D during the Dan Didio era, especially when the New 52 hit.
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Cullen Bunn gave an interview about his Aquaman that was basically just, "I pitched my story and it got approved. Then editorial changed the entire premise from issue two forward. I then wrote six issues of Aquaman." He was clearly super unhappy with it and the interview question was pretty much why was Aquaman so bad while your other titles were so good. DC has been bad about that kind of thing, who knows how they are now but I can't imagine great. Probably not as bad because I hoped they learned something from all the popular new writers jumping ship to Marvel as soon as they got the opportunity.
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Nystral posted:Did anything happen with E2 GL? I fell off the book fairly early and IIRC he was looking for his husband or something. I remember it being kind of dull until Tom Taylor came on and displayed his knack for taking alternate universes and making them good by making everything in the book go to poo poo. So Apokolips attacks! e: oh, GL specifically. Yeah, some interesting stuff happens but unfortunately it's more some interesting GL stuff and not interesting Alan Scott stuff. Rhyno posted:I also remember Hawkman, Captain Atom, Static, Men of War and Mr Terrific being exceptionally bad. I feel like I remember some people praising Captain Atom but maybe I'm wrong there or maybe it got real lovely TwoPair fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Dec 31, 2020 |
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Dec 31, 2020 17:02
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I own the trade, it's really bad. I own most of the N52 in some form of collected edition. Yikes.
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Dec 31, 2020 17:16
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I prefer when Robinson started Earth 2 it set up a bunch of interesting concepts with all the heroes being powered by mostly divine origins and then he went over to Animal Man (?) or Swamp Thing I forget. But Taylor's direction went waaaaayy into grim dark poo poo.
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If i wanted to read buzzcut superbro where would I start? is it on DCU? I've been thinking of just getting a month of that to binge Batman/ Superman/Justice League instead of waiting for it to hopefully eventually show up on HBOMax.
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Skwirl posted:If i wanted to read buzzcut superbro where would I start? is it on DCU? I've been thinking of just getting a month of that to binge Batman/ Superman/Justice League instead of waiting for it to hopefully eventually show up on HBOMax. The main story arc to read in terms of being actually good is 'Hard Truth' which is the first Pak story arc in Action comics involving Superman standing up to cops and police brutality in Metropolis and is generally fantastic. The rest of it is not as good, generally only Greg Pak's Action Comics remained half decent throughout the storyline and Gene Yang's Superman was ok, Batman/Superman and Superman/Wonder Woman were fairly terrible. So in general only just read Action Comics and Superman. I think this would be the best order for it: Superman: Before Truth Superman #41-44 Action Comics: Hard Truth Action Comics Sneak Peek (the DC You Sneak preview thing - it's in the TPB containing these issues), then Action Comics #41-44 Superman: Street Justice Superman #45-47 Action Comics: Blind Justice Action Comics #45-47 Savage Dawn: This is a bigger crossover but the following are the only necessary and half decent issues Superman Annual #3 Action Comics #48 Superman #48 Action Comics #49 Superman #49 Action Comics #50 Superman #50 As said Hard Truth is fantastic but the rest of it kinda falls apart. If you really wanted to trim it down you could also cut out the Superman Street Justice storyline, it's kinda fun but not great. Before Truth is also kinda poo poo and has awful JRjr art but it does establish the context for the storyline although you could get all of that in medias res by jumping straight into Action Comics.
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Can we talk about how weird Romita JR's art gets? He used to have great artwork but over time it seems his own style got a bit TOO stylized and sometimes he gets sloppy and every character ends up with a square face and no emotion 
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Jan 1, 2021 15:45
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Yeah, he’s awful. The work he did during Bendis run on Action Comics was so bad. He’s getting hired due to his name and putting absolutely no effort into anything.
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Jan 1, 2021 18:40
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I've hated Romita, Jr. since he's 00s ASM run. He's just terrible.
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Jan 1, 2021 18:43
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How he draws faces was always just incredibly unappealing to me.
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I have to ask. Am I the only one who liked the azzarelo chang wonder woman run during new 52?. That is the run that got me back into comics.
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nunsexmonkrock posted:I have to ask. Am I the only one who liked the azzarelo chang wonder woman run during new 52?. That is the run that got me back into comics. No it's really popular and has an omnibus edition printing.
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nunsexmonkrock posted:I have to ask. Am I the only one who liked the azzarelo chang wonder woman run during new 52?. That is the run that got me back into comics. It had it's flaws but overall I really liked it.
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nunsexmonkrock posted:I have to ask. Am I the only one who liked the azzarelo chang wonder woman run during new 52?. That is the run that got me back into comics. My favorite run on the character, probably. I always like Wonder Woman way more when they go hard on the Mythology stuff. Orion was a great supporting character, though the Wesley Willis character was a little too 1:1 to not feel a little weird.
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So how was Endless Winter? Worth a read?
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Vandar posted:So how was Endless Winter? Worth a read? Ehhhh...It's definitely setting up something for Black Adam possibly, but maybe not. It also undoes the Fortress of Solitude thing.
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Vince MechMahon posted:I've hated Romita, Jr. since he's 00s ASM run. He's just terrible. JRJr is right up there with Mike Deodato, Jr. for artists I used to love but who are now an instant "nay" from me. Maybe there's something about juniors.
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