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anakha
Sep 16, 2009


BigRed0427 posted:

Anyway. You know what I wanna play? A JRPG, but something thats more of a throwback to like...SNES-PSX era of games. Good story and turn base is a must.

I Am Setsuna is supposedly a throwback to those kind of games. Getting it later this week and will share my thoughts.

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Chalks
Sep 30, 2009

I wish there was a way you could just filter out the porn games on steam but apparently steam is incapable of distinguishing between a game like the witcher 3 and some lovely anime porn game.

Also since Cyberpunk 2077 is tagged with "Sexual Content" now the top recommendations in the steam sale are "Sexual Content games" and "Nudity games".

I literally have "adult only" games disabled in my filters and my recommendations still look like this:



Steam is such a trash fire at the moment.

Commander Keene
Dec 21, 2016

Faster than the others



BigRed0427 posted:

I decided to check out the LGBT tab on the steam store and...yep...there's a game about futa girls in the featured games. I'm just more shocked that the previews can be THAT explicit on the store page itself.

Anyway. You know what I wanna play? A JRPG, but something thats more of a throwback to like...SNES-PSX era of games. Good story and turn base is a must.
If you haven't played DQ11, you could try that. DQ is about as "throwback" as they come, and there's even a 2D mode in Definitive (and IIRC they've delisted the original version on Steam so that's the only one you can buy right now). It is a very long game though, even not counting what could be considered "postgame". or not, depending upon your opinion on the finality of the ending.

Octopath Traveler is a 2D turn-based JRPG, though it plays kinda like the Bravely Default games (themselves kinda spiritual sequels to FF5) in that you can "stock" turns by defending and use them to super-nova later. It also apparently has a FF5-esque job system, but I haven't gotten far enough in the game to unlock that yet.

If you're looking for actually retro, a bunch of the old-school Final Fantasy games are on Steam. At the very least 4-at least 9 or 10 are on Steam (technically 3 is on there too but it's a port of the DS remake so don't play it). 4-6 seem to be ports of the mobile versions of the games, though, which a lot of people hate for the art style. Chrono Trigger is also on Steam, and after a rocky start they've patched it enough that it's finally good again.

Hwurmp
May 20, 2005

drat bro how much sexual content you been playin' lately

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Hwurmp posted:

drat bro how much sexual content you been playin' lately

TF2 is a very sexual game, you just have to read between the lines.

In this four hour youtube videos I will explain why TF2 is the gayest game of all time and why HeavyXSolder is the OTP

Chalks
Sep 30, 2009

Hwurmp posted:

drat bro how much sexual content you been playin' lately

40 hours of Cyberpunk and now steam is all "wow you sure do love dem titties"

It was more amusing when TW3 was tagged with "horses" so steam started recommending barbie's riding club due to my love of all games with horses in them.

Chalks fucked around with this message at 15:09 on Jan 3, 2021

Begemot
Oct 14, 2012

The One True Oden

Octopath Traveler is the best of the throwback JRPGs, IMO. The graphical style is gorgeous, and the combat system is really fun and engaging. I Am Setsuna and the other Tokyo RPG Factory games are just kind of bland.

Hwurmp
May 20, 2005

Chalks posted:

40 hours of Cyberpunk and now steam is all "wow you sure do love dem titties"

seems right

Omi no Kami
Feb 19, 2014


Mierenneuker posted:

I didn't have that problem with mobs during a perfect ending playthrough, but I did have boss fights that boiled down to "is the Abyss skill on cooldown?"
- Yes? Dodge, dodge, a single swipe I guess, dodge, dodge, a different ability, repeat.
- No? USE ABYSS.

I was fine with the challenge, but to any new player I would definitely say: vampyr can have little a neckbite, as a treat.

Ahh see, that was probably my mistake-I think I only had Abyss halfway upgraded by the end of the game. I might've missed some side content or other experience-granting hijinks, but I felt really underlevelled by the end- I remember the final tier of enemies consistently having 8-10 levels on me, and the hunter guy, typhoid mary girl, and final boss all came down to "Abyss, flame shotgun until empty, automatic pistol until empty, dodge dodge dodge ohcrap." Weirdly enough I had the most trouble with hunter and typhoid mary phase I, which a lot of my buddies found pretty straightforward, but I had no problem with the part of the final boss that I heard tons of enraged complaints about.

Meanwhile I just tripped over Paradise Killer and it looks kinda neat- how inventive is the investigation gameplay? Is it a mechanically interesting and new paradigm like Orwell, or more just a rote but well-done visual novel?

Blattdorf
Aug 10, 2012

"This will be the best for both of us, Bradley."
"Meow."

BigRed0427 posted:

TF2 is a very sexual game, you just have to read between the lines.

In this four hour youtube videos I will explain why TF2 is the gayest game of all time and why HeavyXSolder is the OTP

2fort1cup

Because there are two sides, but only one team can win.

Lightningproof
Feb 23, 2011

It is baffling to me that Valve doesn't just section off the AO games into their own discrete part of the store. Their 'idk just throw them all in' approach is moronic. My 9 year old brother (obviously) has Adult poo poo disabled in his store but for whatever reason that doesn't apply to the 'Recently Updated' section, which gaily informs all and sundry of the latest hot update to PUSSY 2 or whatever. Garbage fire.

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Commander Keene posted:

If you haven't played DQ11, you could try that. DQ is about as "throwback" as they come, and there's even a 2D mode in Definitive (and IIRC they've delisted the original version on Steam so that's the only one you can buy right now). It is a very long game though, even not counting what could be considered "postgame". or not, depending upon your opinion on the finality of the ending.

Octopath Traveler is a 2D turn-based JRPG, though it plays kinda like the Bravely Default games (themselves kinda spiritual sequels to FF5) in that you can "stock" turns by defending and use them to super-nova later. It also apparently has a FF5-esque job system, but I haven't gotten far enough in the game to unlock that yet.

If you're looking for actually retro, a bunch of the old-school Final Fantasy games are on Steam. At the very least 4-at least 9 or 10 are on Steam (technically 3 is on there too but it's a port of the DS remake so don't play it). 4-6 seem to be ports of the mobile versions of the games, though, which a lot of people hate for the art style. Chrono Trigger is also on Steam, and after a rocky start they've patched it enough that it's finally good again.

Honestly, Hooking up my SNES and popping in FF6 doesnt sound like a bad idea

Sab669
Sep 24, 2009

I'd also recommend DQ11 if one's itching for ye olde school JRPG, but also wants modern polish. That game was so pretty to just look at.

Admittedly, I didn't get very far in my Playthrough because I was simultaneously playing other games that were more "exciting" and then got distracted and never went back :v:

Imagined
Feb 2, 2007
Dragon Quest 11 has Sylvando, the greatest character of all time.

Also possibly the first and only JRPG in history of which you could argue that Japan got objectively the worst version, because of the incredible English dub. Which is a wild concept if you know the history of the Dragon Quest series and just how popular it is in Japan. It would be like saying the US got the worst version of, I dunno, a Grand Theft Auto game or something.

Imagined fucked around with this message at 16:47 on Jan 3, 2021

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


BigRed0427 posted:

Anyway. You know what I wanna play? A JRPG, but something thats more of a throwback to like...SNES-PSX era of games. Good story and turn base is a must.

Ara Fell and Brave Hero Yuusha are both excellent games in that genre.

...of SCIENCE!
Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

Gamerofthegame posted:

don't you have to tick a box deep in your settings to even see them

Yes. Also Steam has the function to let you block tags and if you do so you will never see any games with those tags in the front page, in your search results, or in the discovery queue. So anyone seeing anime porn games is only doing so because they've both actively chosen to allow Adult Only Sexual Content to display and also refused to block tags like Nudity or Sexual Content.

Karma Tornado posted:

every time any game pointedly not going on sale comes up it's within like two pages of discussion of how somebody doesn't want to buy something because it wasn't as dirt cheap as it was in an earlier sale, which is then followed by a list of reasons why the non-sale devs are actually fools even though they've sold a million copies at full price

"well, it would be a million and ONE if they understood MARKETING"

The games made by devs who never put their games on sale that have "sold a million copies at full price" are so rare you can count them on one hand. There are exponentially more that have either been complete failures that left the developers in obscurity with nothing but their misguided principles to keep them warm or had the game developer relent and then immediately admit that they were totally wrong and they didn't actually know better than the entire field of game development and publishing and they were making so much more money and getting so much more attention by participating in sales.

But by all means keep inventing people that don't exist and then getting angry at the arguments you imagined them having, you're really doing a lot to win over hearts and minds here.

Hwurmp
May 20, 2005

BigRed0427 posted:

I decided to check out the LGBT tab on the steam store and...yep...there's a game about futa girls in the featured games. I'm just more shocked that the previews can be THAT explicit on the store page itself.

Anyway. You know what I wanna play? A JRPG, but something thats more of a throwback to like...SNES-PSX era of games. Good story and turn base is a must.

once again the answer is Yakuza: Like A Dragon

spiritual bypass
Feb 19, 2008

Grimey Drawer

Chalks posted:

I wish there was a way you could just filter out the porn games on steam but apparently steam is incapable of distinguishing between a game like the witcher 3 and some lovely anime porn game.

Also since Cyberpunk 2077 is tagged with "Sexual Content" now the top recommendations in the steam sale are "Sexual Content games" and "Nudity games".

I literally have "adult only" games disabled in my filters and my recommendations still look like this:



Steam is such a trash fire at the moment.

Yakuza Kiwami 2 is good

FutureCop
Jun 7, 2011

Have you heard of Fermat's principle?

Omi no Kami posted:

I agree with all of this, but there's one additional thing I'd add- at least for me, the combat became unbelievable amounts of unfun BS in the last few hours. I was shooting for a perfect ending, e.g. I never ate anybody (even the jerkasses who really deserved it), which means that I was pretty underleveled. I think that's what the devs intended, but combat while underleveled feels super-duper bad. By the end of the game I was wholesale sprinting through areas because most enemies took a zillion hits to kill and could kill me in 2-3 hits, and the high enemy lethality turned a couple of legitimately awesome late-game bosses into unfun slogs.

TL;DR the setting is great, graphics are great, combat's okay, but for gently caress's sake set that difficulty slider as low as it'll possibly go.

Yeah that's kind of the weird point for the game: essentially, if you're going for the perfect ending, the game is going to become almost unbearably hard to try and force your hand into munching on some civilians to level up to overcome. Now, that is the point and it's understandable as its trying to sell the whole moral dilemma of being a vampire: it must be tough to move around and fight when you're starving yourself. I've heard many stories from friends and people on forums and such on how it was a great eye-opening experience for them, as it got so hard they succumbed and needed to justify who to eat and why it was the lesser evil and so on: very interesting stuff to ponder on and share stories on who you fed on. However, for a lot of people, like for me and Omi, it can end up just turning into frustration as we refuse to eat civilians no matter what because of our stubborn pride or love of challenge: we refuse even though it would make things easier, leading to us slamming our head into a brick wall as the enemy levels get so high they become super sponges that just destroy you in one-hit. I think the game is best played if you don't go for a absolutely perfect ending on a first go, similar to how other games like Dishonored or Deus Ex or what-have-you shouldn't be played as a perfect non-lethal run first, for you miss so much of the experience by doing so.

TL;DR Basically the difficulty is intentionally unbalanced against you to create a unique experience, but...that doesn't mean it'll be fun for certain type of people, nor it is well-crafted enough to not feel unfair due to jankiness

Omi no Kami posted:

Vampyr... but I had no problem with the part of the final boss that I heard tons of enraged complaints about.

From what I understand, the final boss is more powerful the more you've fed on people (since it represents the blood and chaos of the situation). So for people doing a pacifist run (like you and me), the final boss is incredibly easy due to it being malnourished from you never succumbing, making it somewhat of a victory lap reward for not killing anything up to it. However, for people who've increased the chaos of the land by munching on people the whole time, the final boss will be incredibly powerful as it fed on the blood as well, punishing them for having such an easy time up to then. Bit of a malicious mechanic, haha!

FutureCop fucked around with this message at 16:35 on Jan 3, 2021

anakha
Sep 16, 2009


Imagined posted:

Dragon Quest 11 has Sylvando, the greatest character of all time.

not emptyquoting this

Ragequit
Jun 1, 2006


Lipstick Apathy

Is this the game that has literally a million words in it? There was an RPG someone linked a few years back next to a dozen stacked books to show how much text was in the game.

Ceyton
Oct 9, 2004

YOU'RE DEAD ARMITAGE!
YOU'RE DEAD ARMITAGE!
YOU'RE DEAD ARMITAGE!

exquisite tea posted:

"Good story" is dependent on how much you like corny humor but this is Cosmic Star Heroine.

Seconded

BigRed0427 posted:

Honestly, Hooking up my SNES and popping in FF6 doesnt sound like a bad idea

What I wouldn't give for a version of FF6 that had FF6A's translation, Brave New World's mechanics, and proper A/V sync :comeback:

Ragequit
Jun 1, 2006


Lipstick Apathy

Ceyton posted:

Seconded


What I wouldn't give for a version of FF6 that had FF6A's translation, Brave New World's mechanics, and proper A/V sync :comeback:

I should finish Brave New World. Got about half way through at the beginning of quarantine and loved it.

Hwurmp
May 20, 2005

Ragequit posted:

Is this the game that has literally a million words in it? There was an RPG someone linked a few years back next to a dozen stacked books to show how much text was in the game.

Actually it's eleven games and various supplemental media

Saoshyant
Oct 26, 2010

:hmmorks: :orks:


Ragequit posted:

Is this the game that has literally a million words in it? There was an RPG someone linked a few years back next to a dozen stacked books to show how much text was in the game.

Probably its immediate sequels which are even bigger, but yeah, this series is very wordy. Every NPC has several lines of dialogue that keep changing between every event and there's a ridiculous amount of them. There's even in-game novels you can read -- fiction inside fiction.

If you ever played one of the classic JRPGs and thought, "dang, this world/character doesn't feel real, if only it had more depth" then this is the series for you.

Ceyton
Oct 9, 2004

YOU'RE DEAD ARMITAGE!
YOU'RE DEAD ARMITAGE!
YOU'RE DEAD ARMITAGE!

Ragequit posted:

I should finish Brave New World. Got about half way through at the beginning of quarantine and loved it.

I finally managed to finish it back in April after the dev released a "vanilla" dialog patch with most of the memes and grody artistic license removed. It's still not perfect, but it's a big improvement.

haldolium
Oct 22, 2016



Chalks posted:

I wish there was a way you could just filter out the porn games on steam but apparently steam is incapable of distinguishing between a game like the witcher 3 and some lovely anime porn game.

Also since Cyberpunk 2077 is tagged with "Sexual Content" now the top recommendations in the steam sale are "Sexual Content games" and "Nudity games".

I literally have "adult only" games disabled in my filters and my recommendations still look like this:



Steam is such a trash fire at the moment.

unsurprisingly, you need to add "anime" and "hentai" as tag filters to clean the store page.

Omi no Kami
Feb 19, 2014


FutureCop posted:

From what I understand, the final boss is more powerful the more you've fed on people (since it represents the blood and chaos of the situation). So for people doing a pacifist run (like you and me), the final boss is incredibly easy due to it being malnourished from you never succumbing, making it somewhat of a victory lap reward for not killing anything up to it. However, for people who've increased the chaos of the land by munching on people the whole time, the final boss will be incredibly powerful as it fed on the blood as well, punishing them for having such an easy time up to then. Bit of a malicious mechanic, haha!

That is legitimately awesome, I wish it'd been better-telegraphed in-game. Also yeah, having done a pacifist run I think my advice would be to not bother- some of the munchable lunchables are clear, unambiguous assholes, and from what I spoiled myself on post-game the endings aren't that divergent: you can basically get one, then spend a coupla minutes on youtube checking out the others.

GreenBuckanneer
Sep 15, 2007

Chalks posted:

40 hours of Cyberpunk and now steam is all "wow you sure do love dem titties"

Yeah, and? Do you not?

Cardiovorax
Jun 5, 2011

I mean, if you're a successful actress and you go out of the house in a skirt and without underwear, knowing that paparazzi are just waiting for opportunities like this and that it has happened many times before, then there's really nobody you can blame for it but yourself.

Chalks posted:

40 hours of Cyberpunk and now steam is all "wow you sure do love dem titties"

It was more amusing when TW3 was tagged with "horses" so steam started recommending barbie's riding club due to my love of all games with horses in them.
Just be grateful it hasn't yet decided to double down and mix your two favourite flavours that taste great together.

Heroic Yoshimitsu
Jan 15, 2008

rt4 posted:

Yakuza Kiwami 2 is good

Yeah, some say its the Custom Order Maid 3D2 It's a Night Magic of Yakuza games

A Sometimes Food
Dec 8, 2010

Crosscode's a really good indie jrpg/arpg. It's not a throwback to anything specific but it feels like it anyway.

It leans hard on dungeon puzzles in a way even most throwback games don't if you got that Lufia itch.

Cardiovorax
Jun 5, 2011

I mean, if you're a successful actress and you go out of the house in a skirt and without underwear, knowing that paparazzi are just waiting for opportunities like this and that it has happened many times before, then there's really nobody you can blame for it but yourself.
Crosscode is definitely excellent and it's one of the few EA games I've bought (back when it was still EA) that I've never regretted even a little. That game was better than many finished games already even a year before it was fully released.

I think it feels a lot like Secret of Mana, but with Lufia 2 levels of dungeon puzzling.

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

The only downside about crosscode is that the epilogue isn't finished and it is a game that very very much needs an epilogue

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


The devs are targeting sometime this spring/early summer for the DLC release.

Runa
Feb 13, 2011

Crosscode leaned too hard on puzzle dungeons for me and even early on I got exhausted and very irritated with the length of them.

If the story at the time had enough of an emotional hook to get me interested I might've soldiered on through but "secret agent infiltrating an MMO" wasn't cutting it.

Ceyton
Oct 9, 2004

YOU'RE DEAD ARMITAGE!
YOU'RE DEAD ARMITAGE!
YOU'RE DEAD ARMITAGE!

Crosscode's combat is good. It's basically everything you'd expect from a modernized Secret of Mana.

It does go a little too hard on the jumping/projectile puzzles though.

A Sometimes Food
Dec 8, 2010

Xarbala posted:

Crosscode leaned too hard on puzzle dungeons for me and even early on I got exhausted and very irritated with the length of them.


I feel like I'd agree if most modern jrpgs(even the throwback ones) didn't tend to skimp on them. Crosscode is the dungeon puzzle rpg through and through and I respect it.

Cardiovorax
Jun 5, 2011

I mean, if you're a successful actress and you go out of the house in a skirt and without underwear, knowing that paparazzi are just waiting for opportunities like this and that it has happened many times before, then there's really nobody you can blame for it but yourself.
Puzzles have been becoming a less and less prevalent element of games in general over the last few years. Too few people seem to have the willingness or patience to invest the time required for them anymore.

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Hwurmp
May 20, 2005

Xarbala posted:

If the story at the time had enough of an emotional hook to get me interested I might've soldiered on through but "secret agent infiltrating an MMO" wasn't cutting it.

there's a bit more to it than that

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