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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:32 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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lol, amazing
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Jan 4, 2021 01:45
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Perhaps the same person inside as well
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Jan 4, 2021 01:49
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Just got word of something. A friend of a friend works at a big pharmaceutical company in China. Her friend works for the embassy department. 80% of that department's people who got sent to Russia in September caught COVID despite having the Sinopharm vaccine. Looks like it doesn't work. gently caress e: No word on whether or not they had symptoms versus merely tested positive; no word yet on if they could still shed live virus to others. But they still considered the result unexpected Happy Thread has issued a correction as of 02:51 on Jan 4, 2021 |
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Jan 4, 2021 01:55
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Antonymous posted:also chinese news media propaganda includes positive stories and good role models and not just constant negativity america has those too, like "K9 unit turns 12" "young boy sells cookies to buy first-responder policemen masks" "retiring cop gets to ride in a fighter jet" etc.
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Jan 4, 2021 01:59
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:32 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Jan 4, 2021 04:24
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South Korea population falls for first time And so South Korea joins Japan in having a falling population. South Korea also has a far lower fertility rate, the lowest of the industrialized nations, of 0.98 as of 2018. Japan's is 1.43. So it'll age much quicker as well.   \/. Correct. 2023 was the pre-pandemic projected year for population decline. OhFunny has issued a correction as of 04:36 on Jan 4, 2021 |
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Jan 4, 2021 04:26
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quote:The number of deaths in South Korea last year was 3 per cent higher than 2019 while total births fell 10 per cent to a record low, according to census results reported by state-backed news agency Yonhap. Sounds like the pandemic pushes up the schedule on this.
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Jan 4, 2021 04:31
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Happy Thread posted:Perhaps the same person inside as well
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Jan 4, 2021 04:34
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https://twitter.com/BiIndia/status/1345942282722164736 China doing what they should have done like, twelve years ago
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Jan 4, 2021 06:01
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not sure i agree with all of this espescially when he goes off on some weird trotskyite tangents but its an interesting/informative read https://spectrejournal.com/why-china-isnt-capitalist-despite-the-pink-ferraris/ there’s plenty of capitalism in China today: there’s state capitalism, crony capitalism, gangster capitalism, normal capitalism—China’s got them all. China has more billionaires than the US3; many state-owned industries produce extensively for market, and the majority of the workforce are self-employed or work for private companies. Even so, it’s not a capitalist economy, at least not mainly a capitalist economy. It’s best described as a hybrid bureaucratic collectivist-capitalist economy in which the bureaucratic collectivist state sector is overwhelmingly dominant China’s Communist Party rulers do not own their economy privately like capitalists. The state owns the bulk of the economy and CCP owns the state—collectively. The market does not organize most production in China. Market reform long ago ground to a halt in China in what Minxin Pei termed a “trapped transition.”4 In forty years of “market reform and opening” China has never missed a Five-Year Plan or failed to set an annual growth target. China remains a mostly state-owned, mostly planned economy. As MIT’s Yasheng Huang put it, “the size of the Chinese private economy, especially its indigenous component, is quite small” and mostly comprised of small businesses and self-employed workers and farmers [...] Of the sixty-nine companies from mainland China in the Fortune Global 500 in 2012, only seven were not SOEs [and all of these seven] companies have received significant government assistance and most count government entities among their shareholders.” In key industries, SOEs owned and controlled between 74 and 100 percent of assets. China’s major banks are 100 percent state-owned (there are hundreds of foreign-invested private investment banks but they’re restricted in where they can invest).7 The government also owns 51 percent or more of the thousands of joint-venture export-oriented industries with multinational companies from Audi to Xerox that have powered China’s rise over the last decades. The government has also bought up at a raft of foreign companies including Volvo, Syngenta, Smithfield Farms, Pirelli Tires, and Kuka Robotics, which it runs more or less as state capitalist firms, plus it owns shares in many Western companies including ten percent of Germany’s Daimler (Mercedes Benz). [...] Forty-two years after market reforms were introduced, the government still owns and controls the commanding heights of the economy: banking, large-scale mining and manufacturing, heavy industry, metallurgy, shipping, energy generation, petroleum and petrochemicals, heavy construction and equipment, atomic energy, aerospace, telecommunications and internet, vehicles (some in partnership with foreign companies), aircraft manufacture (in partnership with Boeing and Airbus), airlines, railways, pharmaceuticals, biotechnology, military production and more [...] The Communist Party keeps its domestic capitalists on a short leash. Successful entrepreneurs soon find they need a state “partner,” or the government sets up its own competitors to drive them out of business, or they suffer forced buyouts.15 Worse, those whose names appear on Forbes list of the world’s wealthiest citizens or Rupert Hoogewerf’s Hunrun Rich List risk attracting unwanted government attention; they get arrested or disappear without a trace at “alarming rates.”16 In just one year, 2015, at least thirty-four senior executives of Chinese companies were arrested by the state, including the CEO of Fosun which had acquired Club Med in the same year.17 Chinese call these the sha zhu bang, “pig-killing lists.” As Xi’s anti-corruption campaign gathered force since 2013, tycoons have been taken down left and right.18 In 2015-16, China’s rich funneled more than a trillion U.S. dollars out of the country, mostly via investments in private companies including HNA, Fosun, Dalian Wanda, Anbang and others who bought up hotels (Hilton, Starwood, and others), AMC Entertainment, Legendary Entertainment, Cirque du Soleil, soccer teams and properties around the world – largely to launder their loot and park it in a country where the rule of law would protect their assets.19 Xi, anxious to stanch “hot money” outflows, fearful of government losses on state loans to private companies and determined to prevent the rise of an overmighty class of wealthy capitalists, took the fight to them [...] He went after the so-called “grey rhinos” whose highly leveraged companies and “irrational” foreign investments threatened financial stability. CEOs were charged with economic crimes, locked up, their assets and companies seized.21 In June 2017 he took down Anbang’s CEO Wu Xiaohui, the car insurer who married a granddaughter of Deng Xiaoping. Wu got 18 years in prison. His company was nationalized and the state is unloading his properties. In July, Wang Jianlin (Dalian Wanda), the bloviating property developer, entertainment mogul, and Hunrun-list richest man in China who once vowed to “defeat Disney,” was ordered to sell off his theme parks and hotels to pay back state banks. Wang Shi, founder of China Vanke, the nation’s biggest builder/developer, though not charged with any crimes, was forced out and his company taken over by state-owned companies in 2017. In March 2018, Chen Feng, CEO of HNA (an aviation-to-financial services conglomerate based in Hainan), biggest of the big spenders who had amassed trophy assets across six continents taking a 10% share in Deutsche Bank, 25% of Hilton Hotels, tens of billions in Manhattan mansions and buildings, Swiss companies, etc., was ordered him to sell off real estate and other assets “that fall outside Beijing’s policy agenda.” Just this week it was reported that Xiao Jianhua’s multibillion dollar empire had been seized and was being dismantled by the state. Xiao, once a trusted financier to the ruling elite including Xi Jinping’s own family, was kidnapped from a Hong Kong luxury hotel in 2017 never to be heard from since.22 And so it goes. As they say in China “the state advances, the privates retreat” (guo jin min tui). [...] , Xi has decapitated China’s aspirant national bourgeoisie, nationalized their companies, demoralized the private sector, his intended aim.23 Xi is a nationalist and neo-Maoist. He’s hostile to capitalists and he doesn’t want government capital, or even private capital, wasted on trifles or funneled out of the country. He wants it concentrated on state industrial policy priorities. Besides, in his push to end poverty in China, bling-encrusted billionaires are embarrassments to his neo-Maoist social leveling. [...] Deng abandoned Mao’s autarky, introduced market reforms and threw open the economy to Western investment. But from the start he was crystal clear that reform did not mean counter-revolution. There would be no privatization, no restoration of capitalism. In the 1980s-90s, Deng and his comrades were shocked and horrified by Gorbachev’s privatizations that precipitated the collapse of the CPSU and they determined to avoid that error. [...] There is no end of “capitalist things” in China today. But there has been no wholesale privatization of state assets to oligarchs as in Russia. [...] Yet China’s state-owned “corporations” are not profit maximizers per se like, say, Singapore’s state-capitalist Temasek and similar sovereign wealth funds. They’re happy to make money when they can. But they’re not obliged to. Many have been effectively bankrupt for decades but the government won’t let its “zombies” fail so rolls over their loans in perpetuity. In forty years of market reform, not a single significant SOE has been permitted to go bankrupt. Their existence and purpose is dictated by the Plan not the market. Thus when the head of a major state-owned conglomerate was removed for embracing market economics a bit too enthusiastically, a Beijing University expert on China’s state enterprises remarked: There’s a system in place, not just one person. The party’s appointee draws his position from patronage… and the task is to engage with state leaders and safeguard government assets, not to maximize profits [...] Lastly, the market has not replaced planning in the state controlled economy either. Back in the 1990s Western market-enthusiast China experts predicted that China was “growing out of the plan.”32 But this never happened. While leaders hinted that someday they would “let the market allocate resources” they never got around to this, beyond the margins. And they could not do so because to overtake the US, they need to build those state-owned “champions”; so they need to steer resources into developing key industries and plan the overall economy. Thus, as the annual U.S. Congressional Economic and Security Review reported in November 2015: Soviet-style, top-down planning remains a hallmark of China’s economic and political system. Five-Year Plans (FYP) continue to guide China’s economic policy by outlining the Chinese government’s priorities and signaling to central and local officials and industries the areas for future government support. The FYPs are followed by a cascade of sub-plans at the national, ministerial, provincial, and county level that attempt to translate these priorities into region- or industry-specific targets, policy strategies, and evaluation mechanisms mila kunis has issued a correction as of 06:17 on Jan 4, 2021 |
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Jan 4, 2021 06:13
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it's... beautiful.. 
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Jan 4, 2021 06:43
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sincx posted:Heresay is fundamentally unreliable. Other explanations that I think are more likely than the Sinopharm vaccine being wholly ineffective: I would argue that all of those administration process things could be considered part of the vaccine, and if someone managed to gently caress one of those things up so badly on not just random civilians but government employees to render them all not immune, that's not a good sign I believe this person is relatively reliable, and they've only disclosed it in a friends chat Happy Thread has issued a correction as of 07:08 on Jan 4, 2021 |
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Jan 4, 2021 07:05
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:32 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Jan 4, 2021 07:13
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Update on the Philippines's vaccination scandal: https://twitter.com/ANCALERTS/status/1345971292269232128
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Jan 4, 2021 07:17
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every time you see a western prediction juxtaposed with what really happened read it in adam curtis' voice, it's entertaining
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Jan 4, 2021 09:24
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solidarity with king poo poo II https://twitter.com/chenweihua/status/1345978856684060672
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Jan 4, 2021 09:26
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Happy Thread posted:I would argue that all of those administration process things could be considered part of the vaccine, and if someone managed to gently caress one of those things up so badly on not just random civilians but government employees to render them all not immune, that's not a good sign The administration process things are part of the vaccination, but are not part of the vaccine. The vaccine is the product, the vaccination is a service. And I would caution you to re-evaluate how badly people can gently caress up in any context, including providing services to government employees. All it would take for an entire batch intended for a clinic to go bad is one person in the custody chain loving up with closing the cooler lid properly.
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Jan 4, 2021 10:56
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sincx posted:shot: oh my god lmao
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Jan 4, 2021 10:57
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John_A_Tallon posted:The administration process things are part of the vaccination, but are not part of the vaccine. The vaccine is the product, the vaccination is a service. And I would caution you to re-evaluate how badly people can gently caress up in any context, including providing services to government employees. That's factually wrong because there are fouling sensors built in to the cases to detect when they're ruined by temperature shifts or otherwise. But holy poo poo, think of the implications of what you're suggesting, seemingly not knowing that, yet accepting that magnitude of failure as a normal part of the process anyway whenever anyone messes up in the slightest.
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Jan 4, 2021 11:09
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gradenko_2000 posted:TRONG!!!
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Jan 4, 2021 11:59
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Happy Thread posted:That's factually wrong because there are fouling sensors built in to the cases to detect when they're ruined by temperature shifts or otherwise. But holy poo poo, think of the implications of what you're suggesting, seemingly not knowing that, yet accepting that magnitude of failure as a normal part of the process anyway whenever anyone messes up in the slightest. You're sharing information you got through your friend of a friend's gossip. If you're talking facts now you are just hufffing your own farts. Were you involved in that custody chain? My test for your gossip is simple: Do I think it is likely that a vaccine that has been tested in competition with others and found to be effective enough to warrant being smuggled to the Phillipines Presidential Palace in flagrant violation of their own laws would, in widespread fashion, actually be ineffective? I doubt it. The lie would be discovered if it were not effective. On the other hand, someone loving up at some point in the chain, even if it is the endpoint such as the person who transferred the vials from transportation crates to the clinic deep freeze, seems more likely. Is it good or routine? No, but it isn't an unimaginable event either. People gently caress up all the time, and the only thing protecting you from that is training and accountability. Are fouling sensors fully proofed against damage, accidental or malicious? Are there multiple sensors in a crate? Is telemetey sent periodically through cell tower connection? Was the vaccine handled appropriately by the clinicians? Who loving knows? But the last leg is where the fuckups are most likely to happen.
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Jan 4, 2021 12:36
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Ardennes posted:In my opinion, as far as threads go, there probably should be some limits. I could see the former Soviet Union working in an Eurasia thread, but the EU/UK/Japan etc would probably better in their own current threads. I could see instances (like the Baltic states) where there would be overlap but the EU is pretty inwardly focused as a whole. wait where's the japan thread?
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Jan 4, 2021 13:24
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Happy Thread posted:Just got word of something. A friend of a friend works at a big pharmaceutical company in China. Her friend works for the embassy department. 80% of that department's people who got sent to Russia in September caught COVID despite having the Sinopharm vaccine. Looks like it doesn't work. gently caress I mean it's not completely unexpected if true. If they get regular swaps and the vaccines don't give 100% sterilizing immunity you'd probably see positive tests. But that still doesn't tell us if they get any symptoms or even if the are shedding the virus.
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Jan 4, 2021 16:04
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genericnick posted:I mean it's not completely unexpected if true. If they get regular swaps and the vaccines don't give 100% sterilizing immunity you'd probably see positive tests. But that still doesn't tell us if they get any symptoms or even if the are shedding the virus. how does it wind up in swabs if you’re not shedding?
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Jan 4, 2021 16:34
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https://twitter.com/matthewstoller/status/1345921792439934977 Wow yeah, imagine that. That would be so terrible
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Jan 4, 2021 16:48
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indigi posted:how does it wind up in swabs if you’re not shedding? You're jamming those swabs up the nose for as far as they will go. That doesn't mean that you'll necessarily get any kind of viral load outside the body. As far as I know all the tests commonly used are binary. You don't know if you're 80% covid by mass or just over the threshold.
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Jan 4, 2021 16:50
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Chomskyan posted:https://twitter.com/matthewstoller/status/1345921792439934977
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Jan 4, 2021 17:25
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Rent-A-Cop posted:billionaires can't be taught to be good. that’s what threats are for
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Jan 4, 2021 17:28
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my brother had a false positive test on xmas week. everyone knew it was false positive because he's immune from getting over it recently, but he still had to take a second test after 2 days to prove it. he wrangled around some insane dudes trying to escape the covid ward (he works as a security guard) so having it in his nose was not surprising at all, when he got the results they immediately told him "it's 99% false positive please come back tomorrow, they're super oversensitive right now" it's possible that the vaccine doesn't work, but also possible that it works fine and they just had some amounts of covid bugs left on them
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Jan 4, 2021 17:33
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https://twitter.com/WhatsOnWeibo/status/1346139764756541446quote:After news of Zhang’s death made its rounds on social media since January 3rd, one Zhihu user asked netizens about the case and whether or not the Pinduoduo company should be held responsible. The official Pinduoduo account on Zhihu then responded to the original poster:
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Jan 4, 2021 21:27
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looks like someone is about to be re-educated
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Jan 4, 2021 21:29
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yah gently caress 拼多多
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Jan 4, 2021 22:12
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Chomskyan posted:https://twitter.com/matthewstoller/status/1345921792439934977 "Wallstreet Journal criticisms of China and Qiao Collective defenses of China are starting to look the same."
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Jan 4, 2021 22:50
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Protagorean posted:it's... beautiful.. Thank You Comrade Xi for using one weird trick to take care of wanna be billionaires!
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Jan 4, 2021 22:57
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It was this thread.Atrocious Joe posted:We're reaching the point where the Wall Street Journal attacks on China are becoming indistinguishable from the Qiao Collective defenses of China.
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Jan 4, 2021 22:59
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china might not be socialist but i will definitely give xi some credit if he has jack ma rotting in a labor camp somewhere. now do it to the several hundred other billionaires and were good.
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Jan 4, 2021 23:25
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:china might not be socialist but i will definitely give xi some credit if he has jack ma rotting in a labor camp somewhere. now do it to the several hundred other billionaires and were good. wouldn’t he have to do it to himself
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Jan 5, 2021 00:28
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:china might not be socialist but i will definitely give xi some credit if he has jack ma rotting in a labor camp somewhere. now do it to the several hundred other billionaires and were good. there is no "butcher-ism" or "pig-ism" but only the dialectical decision the butcher should make based on the current situation and future expectations. so there may be billionaires in a communist country. it is not about turning everyone into a 100% communist but everyone (including the butcher and pig) playing his own role in the hope that one day collectively the farm industry is rich enough to close this business to do something more "civilized." you wouldn't butcher all the pigs before you're ready to sell the farm, would you? you wouldn't butcher the pig before it's fat and ready to be butchered, would you?
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mila kunis posted:Chinese call these the sha zhu bang, “pig-killing lists.”
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