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The_Doctor posted:Vision and Wanda's children are Billy and Thomas. Billy is the Young Avenger, Wiccan, and is gay. Thomas is a speedster, like his uncle. Vision's daughter from the comics, Viv, is queer for sure, and I'm pretty sure only expressed interest in girls.
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Oh, I thought you were referring to Wanda and Vision themselves in some weird way. I've never even heard of Viv though. Then again, I haven't read Marvel comics in 15 odd years at this point, after getting burned out on speeding upwards of a €100 or €150 a month on comics, and things resetting or dropping interesting stories on a regular basis. That aside, you're almost definitely getting a gay wizard baby so that's one half of it. Whether that gay wizard baby survives the ending of the show is another thing entirely, since he may just be a dream of a gay wizard baby. As is whether that gay wizard baby is even relevant in a decade or so when the plot of the films or shows will have moved on enough to have aged them up enough to be usable as a dramatic actor in the story of the wider universe. At which point you have to hope the people paying to produce it are comfortable allowing the gay wizard teen to be gay, since they might find that too fantastical in a story with wizards, gods etc
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Gaz-L posted:Vision's daughter from the comics, Viv, is queer for sure, and I'm pretty sure only expressed interest in girls. I'm so glad comics exist, and that kids today get to see diversity like this.  My gay rear end only had Northstar in my formative years and he wasn't even allowed to do anything.
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The_Doctor posted:Vision and Wanda's children are Billy and Thomas. Billy is the Young Avenger, Wiccan, and is gay. Thomas is a speedster, like his uncle. As mentioned it’s Viv who plays a major role in Tom King’s The Vision. It’s absolutely worth picking up even if you’re not into comics, it excellent in its own right, and this series takes a lot of cues from it.
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Did the thread notice this? i'm not sure I saw it mentioned. https://twitter.com/CapnRgers/status/1350516728720027649?s=20
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Viv was in Champions too, and I think she has expressed interest in other women and kissed Ironheart at one point. Spoilers for a 2 year old comic.
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Boxman posted:Did the thread notice this? i'm not sure I saw it mentioned. Was it a location in Avengers 2 or something? Strucker's base?
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tsob posted:Was it a location in Avengers 2 or something? Strucker's base? Yeah, the base they invaded at the beginning and presumably where they were experimented on.
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Jan 17, 2021 03:59
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I know someone brought up Wanda's pants, but did anyone mention the bed thing the Hays code something something you couldn't show a couple in the same bed until like the 60s edit: specifically the first sitcom couple who weren't married IRL to share a bed on screen were on (dramatic pause) Bewitched double edit: first live action sitcom couple in case anyone wants to be a smartass and bring up the Flintstones Lunatic Sledge fucked around with this message at 04:08 on Jan 17, 2021 |
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Jan 17, 2021 04:04
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Boxman posted:Did the thread notice this? i'm not sure I saw it mentioned. Hahaha holy poo poo son of bitches. That's a nice easter egg.
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Jan 17, 2021 04:25
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Here I am watching Age of Ultron like a sucker.
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Lunatic Sledge posted:
Actually, it was Mary Kay and Johnny 
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So I was texting someone while the credits played and a still frame splash screen popped up. It was colorized and stylized like an 80s horror movie. The looks on Wanda and Visions faces seemed to fit that as well. Also I'm pretty sure this show or Dr Strange and the Multiverse of Madness are how mutants/ the X-Men get into the MCU. especially because Wanda seems to have her comics powers, not her weird MCU red electrical ones.
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Sataere posted:Actually, it was Mary Kay and Johnny married in real life, even featured their real kid as their TV kid
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FogHelmut posted:Here I am watching Age of Ultron like a sucker. lol I was hovering over it. I'm right there with you.
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btw... what exactly was the point of Feige announcing that Teyonah Parris was playing Monica Rambeau a year and a half ago? I guess maybe plans for the character changed and she wasn’t originally going to be introduced as “Geraldine?” too bad, could have been a nice reveal
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Jan 17, 2021 07:23
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sticklefifer posted:the Disney+ shows are ostensibly to set up Phase Four. Wandavision was actually moved forward, it was originally schedule for late spring '21 after Shang Chi to serve as a soft lead in to Dr. Strange 2. Then Loki hit some production snags and the two shows swapped places.
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Lunatic Sledge posted:I know someone brought up Wanda's pants, but did anyone mention the bed thing Reading some notes about the production it seems the crew did some serious research to get these kinds of sitcom history right. Apparently Dick Van Dyke was consulted on the production of episode one.
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I wish they'd not used CGI and digital animation though. It's the little touches, but it still looks too clean and modern.
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Open Source Idiom posted:I wish they'd not used CGI and digital animation though. It's the little touches, but it still looks too clean and modern. The effects for episode one were done with wires and camera tricks except when plot relevant. Not sure about episode two since there doesn’t seem to be as much production wise about it.
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Edmund Lava posted:The effects for episode one were done with wires and camera tricks except when plot relevant. Really? Some of the plates during the opening scene screamed CGI. Where were the wires?
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Open Source Idiom posted:Really? Some of the plates during the opening scene screamed CGI. Right behind the cardboard stand.
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Wanda openly using magic to make it look like Vision wasn't doing, well... magical things... was great. The little moments where the facade slips and you can see the terror in the faces of other people, like Debra Jo Rupp begging Wanda to stop it etc, were incredibly effectively done. I know the reveals are coming and I'm interested in what they are (and if that's really loving Swarm of all people coming out of the sewer  ) but I kinda wish they could just keep aping various sitcoms for awhile longer too.
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Jerusalem posted:I kinda wish they could just keep aping various sitcoms for awhile longer too. I wouldn't be surprised if every episode is grounded in the premise of a sitcom, and by the finale they're basically caught up to modern day. Hopefully they strike the right balance.
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Not a Marvel fan, I find most of their stuff boring and haven't seen a film since Ultron. Hell, I barely remember that film; a mate had to point out that Wanda had a different accent in that film than she does here. (Thank god I'm not a fan tbh, because if I was I know I'd find that opening scrawl they do cringe af. As it is, it's just kinda obnoxious.) But this was a lot of fun, because it's not an action show. It's a super weird high concept sitcom, where the plot's equal parts ridiculous and dramatic -- kinda like Kidding or Avenue 5. At the end of the day I don't know why the show is telling a story about comic book characters becoming sitcom characters, or why they're doing a paleontology of the American sitcom, but I want to know where that's going, and what the show's ultimate conclusions are going to be. If it's just a high concept gimmick, then the show's a bit crap. But the way the show's been embracing crusty old sitcom scenarios (forgetting about an anniversary, the boss coming around to dinner, the husband and wife talent show), and mixing them with post-modern thriller aspects, makes me hopeful that they're actually going somewhere with it. What are they trying to say about the relationship between the comic and the romcom, and the contrast between 50's television and contemporary television? What I really don't want is some utterly mundane action conclusion, where people sling magic lights at each other while they try to snap Wanda out of razzle-dazzle-ing the planet into Mister Roger's Neighborhood. I guess what I'm saying is that I really hope these choices are artistically purposeful, and not just some gimmick-y narrative strip tease.
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Gaz-L posted:Everyone is obviously assuming 2 kids based on the comics, but there's actually a decent room for a third. You could have the 2 boys, and also Viv as their little sister, even do a gag about her taking after her dad more in the looks department Because no one anywhere has ever cared about Thomas, I suspect they'll have one boy one girl, one magic, one robot. Even odds there will be reason in the show or Multiverse of Madness that they grow up fast enough to hang with the new teens (Kate, Kamala, Riri) were getting in phase 4.
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There is zero chance that they won't have both Billy and Tommy as Wanda's twin boys. Marvel just isn't going to do that. If we ever get MCU Viv, it'll be through a different method.
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Test Pattern posted:Because no one anywhere has ever cared about Thomas, I suspect they'll have one boy one girl, one magic, one robot. Even odds there will be reason in the show or Multiverse of Madness that they grow up fast enough to hang with the new teens (Kate, Kamala, Riri) were getting in phase 4. I don't know, I'd think there's a good chance Thomas is in just because it gives homage to Quicksilver as her dead brother given he's a speedster too. As is though, if they're going to have them come out of it, I'd imagine it'll be just by dint of rapid growth so they'll have infants in the 70's pastiche, but they'll probably be young kids by the 90's for the Full House style one and teens by the more modern stuff. Wanda did become 6 or 7 months pregnant in seconds after all, so it wouldn't be shocking if the kids age between episodes or even scenes.
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I like how the first episode is all wide shots in the same way 60s sitcoms were shot but when Hart is asking them where they met and starts to choke the framing pushes in and it's all shot in close ups, and as soon as Vision pulls the strawberry out of his throat it goes back to wide shots, emphasizing the fake reality this is all taking place in.
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I was just watching the latest episode of Kevin Smith and Marc Bernardin's YouTube podcast (vidcast?) and they pointed out that Wanda's first line is "My husband and his indescribable head", while Vision died because Thanos found Vision's head very destructible; so she's rearranging reality from the off to make sure Vision can't be taken from her the same way again, even before she settles on her wedding anniversary or anything in this new reality. Or rather, someone in the chat for their show pointed it out, and they commented on it. Which is a neat detail.. Also, they were bringing up the "No more mutants" line from House of M, and it made me wonder if we'll get some kind of analogue as a way for Wanda to get her kids back because they disappear as part of the dream at the end of this, given it's some kind of fake reality; with the consequences of that wish loving up the MCU for the next while. Alternately, does she end up creating an entirely new dimension (or dimensions), or diving in to other dimensions as a way to find her kids again in yet more grief driven action at the end of this and leading in to all the multiversal shenanigans in the MCU going forward?
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:I like how the first episode is all wide shots in the same way 60s sitcoms we're shot but when Hart is asking them where they met and starts to choke the framing pushes in and it's all shot in close ups, and as soon as Vision pulls the strawberry out of his throat it goes back to wide shots, emphasizing the fake reality this is all taking place in. Notably when Vision pulls the food out, the effect for his phasing is the 'real' one, full CG and not the old-school compositing and animation.
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“No More Multiverse” cue 3 spider-mans pointing at each other
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Klungar posted:“No More Multiverse”
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The MCU doesn't have mutants in it, so maybe instead of no more mutants, Wanda creates mutants as part of her break.
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Seeing as they don't have any mutant projects on the horizon I doubt Wandavision is going to be used to backdoor them into the MCU.
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muscles like this! posted:Seeing as they don't have any mutant projects on the horizon I doubt Wandavision is going to be used to backdoor them into the MCU. Wasn’t Deadpool 3 confirmed to be MCU?
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swickles posted:The MCU doesn't have mutants in it, so maybe instead of no more mutants, Wanda creates mutants as part of her break. pre:Wanda Maximoff, HEX Is A ‘Miracle’? No, More Mutants!
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There are also rumors of mutant characters showing up in Shang Chi and Falcon and the Winter Soldier.
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muscles like this! posted:Seeing as they don't have any mutant projects on the horizon I doubt Wandavision is going to be used to backdoor them into the MCU. They definitely do have mutant projects on the horizon.
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Codependent Poster posted:There are also rumors of mutant characters showing up in Shang Chi and Falcon and the Winter Soldier. I really doubt they'll show up in FatWS as a result of WandaVision since that series was supposed to be our first.
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