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Thank you everyone for the feedback. The most obvious thing is that I'm severely undervaluing relics, most particularly in Act I. I don't think it's so much that I'm shying away from Act I elites as much as I'm over-prioritizing campfires to upgrade the cards I get during that run, which could be hamstringing me later on. I'll do some relic-hunting runs and see where that gets me. I'm still scared of Act 2/3 Elites. Just about every time I've tried one I get completely wrecked. I watched Jorbs' Ironclad overexplain run and learned quite a bit. The run itself was kinda weird -- he got Dead Branch mid-Act II which completely changed the game -- but of course it's about the banter more than the run itself. Thanks again everyone for the help 
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Tayter Swift posted:Thank you everyone for the feedback. The most obvious thing is that I'm severely undervaluing relics, most particularly in Act I. I don't think it's so much that I'm shying away from Act I elites as much as I'm over-prioritizing campfires to upgrade the cards I get during that run, which could be hamstringing me later on. I'll do some relic-hunting runs and see where that gets me. Here's some more Ironclad advice from earlier in the thread: Zephro posted:Strength and Exhaust are Ironclad's two scaling mechanics. There are more options for Strength than Demon Form. Spot Weakness, Inflame and Limit Break are all decent cards. They may look underpowered compared to some of the other scaling mechanics but one thing to realise is that extra damage is much more efficient than extra block, which is often wasted. If an incoming attack is hitting you for 20 then there is no advantage to having 30 block instead of 20. On the other hand hitting a mob for 30 instead of 20 is almost always good. Also, a lot of the Ironclad's cards gain extra benefit from Strength - Twin Strike, Sword Boomerang, Heavy Blade, Whirlwind, Pummel etc all multi-dip on the stat.
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Spot Weakness is almost always an autopick for me. sometimes you get hosed but other than Enflame it's the easiest strength+ card i've had e) also this may be bad advice but i tend to find Armaments+ good if you are frequently having to repair elite+chip damage at campfires instead of Smithing Feels Villeneuve fucked around with this message at 17:15 on Jan 19, 2021 |
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Jan 19, 2021 17:13
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Armaments is good but it doesn't really need an upgrade in my opinion. Often you can only play Armaments and one or two other cards in a turn, so it's enough if Armanents upgrades your strongest card. By the time you draw the other cards again, the fight will often be over. That being said, it is a very good upgrade if you have Runic Pyramid.
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KonvexKonkav posted:Armaments is good but it doesn't really need an upgrade in my opinion. Often you can only play Armaments and one or two other cards in a turn, so it's enough if Armanents upgrades your strongest card. By the time you draw the other cards again, the fight will often be over. That being said, it is a very good upgrade if you have Runic Pyramid. That's an interesting take - my feeling on armaments is that it's often not worth playing so I'm only going to play it if I have something I want to upgrade in my hand and I need the long term value. So I'll take upgraded armaments or take it with the intention of upgrading (if I have a pyramid) - otherwise it's a skip for me since 5 block + 2ish damage is not worth it for a card.
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Not upgrading Armaments was I think a Jorbs hot take from a while back and I'm pretty sure it's just troll. You pick the card to help you in long act 1 fights, you don't have much business putting it in your deck otherwise.
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yeah I've had Armanents+ save my rear end in a Sentries fight, for instance. in fights where you shouldn't be reshuffling much it probably won't do that much
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Jedit posted:There is always a serious reason to care about deck size, and it's exactly the same reason as in MTG - you want to consistently draw your best cards, and usually more than once. Most fights in Act 3 last 5 to 7 turns, so if you can't draw through your whole deck in that time there will be cards you don't see. If those cards are crucial to your plan, then you will lose. It's interesting how, "don't care about deck size" is good advice to my friend, who is stuck on higher-level ascensions and therefore already knows the value of utility and avoiding redundancy. But it's bad advice to players like Tayter Swift, who is putting too many copies of commons and not drawing their best cards consistently. This game is so deep, I love it.
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Huh. I always took armaments because it seemed like a good way to get better cards in your hand.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Huh. I always took armaments because it seemed like a good way to get better cards in your hand. It's a case-by-case thing. Do you consistently have a card in your hand that is so valuable upgraded that it's worth taking up card draw with Armaments? If yes, then great! If not, then Armaments is just a lovely block card.
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Seksiness posted:Apotheosis is my favourite colourless and if I manage to grab it in act1 it's almost a guaranteed win. Even more so if you are lucky enough to get a bottled lightning. Bottled lightning apotheosis ftw
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How do you play literally any class besides silent. Everyone says silent is their worst but I just got to a16 last night and my next closest is like... ironclad a6 lol
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Very next game broke the losing streak. This was an incredibly blessed run tho. Neow gave me Apotheosis which meant I could more or less ignore campfires from the start and go relic hunting, at least in Act I. Lantern and Mark of Pain gave me ample energy to set up shop on the first turn, and the Astrolabe gave me good stuff. Shitloads of debuff too. My biggest mistake was taking Rupture early, which I was thinking of having the starter Decay curse ping but I ditched the curse at the first shop anyway. Never saw a Battle Trance the whole run, huh. Yeah I know it's still Ascension 0 but babby steps.
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AverySpecialfriend posted:How do you play literally any class besides silent. Everyone says silent is their worst but I just got to a16 last night and my next closest is like... ironclad a6 lol I feel like it's somewhat easy to cheese out a win with silent if you get lucky with a wraith form, a catalyst, and poison generation. No other character really has a catalyst style "you win now" button. So like even if you don't understand how to really build great desks or deal with lots of the enemies you can sorta skirt by in ways the other classes can't
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Tayter Swift posted:Very next game broke the losing streak. I was going to ask you when you posted your earlier runs but do you have an aversion to the big downside 4 energy boss relics? It's really strange to see not a single one across all those runs besides Mark of Pain which is one of the worst ones.
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Tayter Swift posted:Very next game broke the losing streak. Congrats! In a few hours I'm going to do one of your runs and record it. We can hopefully get some discussion going about the pros and cons when my choices deviate from yours.
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Countblanc posted:even if you don't understand how to really build great desks What, something like this? 
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WarpedLichen posted:I was going to ask you when you posted your earlier runs but do you have an aversion to the big downside 4 energy boss relics? It's really strange to see not a single one across all those runs besides Mark of Pain which is one of the worst ones. I do, but funny because Mark of Pain seems the best of the lot to me. I especially liked it here because it pinged my Fire Breathing. Drunk Nerds posted:Congrats! Oh cool, thanks! Do complete, replayable logs of games get stored anywhere?
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Tayter Swift posted:I do, but funny because Mark of Pain seems the best of the lot to me. I especially liked it here because it pinged my Fire Breathing. I don't think so, but I'd love to be wrong. I use OBS and upload it to youtube Drunk Nerds fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Jan 19, 2021 |
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Tayter Swift posted:I do, but funny because Mark of Pain seems the best of the lot to me. I especially liked it here because it pinged my Fire Breathing. Cursed Key or whatever is really good. Obviously pings well with Fire Breathing but depending on the curse you can remove it or just ignore it if it's something like Clumsy. I think all the energy relics (except possibly Runic Dome) are net positives though. Also don't go overboard with gabbing curses for Fire Breathing or you'll dead draw at a bad time. Definitely learned that one.
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Drunk Nerds posted:It's interesting how, "don't care about deck size" is good advice to my friend, who is stuck on higher-level ascensions and therefore already knows the value of utility and avoiding redundancy. But it's bad advice to players like Tayter Swift, who is putting too many copies of commons and not drawing their best cards consistently. i explained this phenomenon a while back little munchkin posted:One thing that helped me get through the a15-a20 grind is to start leaning more towards picking cards. you learn early on that passing is better because it keeps your deck consistent, but as you go further up there's more curses, more statuses, and removing cards becomes more of a cost. all of these things are mitigated having a thick deck. watching jorbs or other top-level streamers, they're consistently finishing their a20 heart runs with >30 cards in their deck.
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Drunk Nerds posted:Congrats! Just handling some work and then I'm going to do it and upload. If anyone else wants to do it, the seed is 2ABCYDL36Z9L8
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curiousCat posted:reading about the relic switch being good inspired me, and looks like a very strong start and also a very strong lol that your only block comes from Hello World
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curiousCat posted:reading about the relic switch being good inspired me, and So basically you want to do the first three easy fights asap and hope to pull a Ball Lightning or Cold Snap and two block cards. If you can manage that then you're actually pretty well set up for the second half of Act 1. Try to path such that you can go to a shop after the first three easy fights to plug up any holes.
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yeah it was an a15 win
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i decided to just play a normal game and lmao i'm just smashing through it without any trouble
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curiousCat posted:reading about the relic switch being good inspired me, and Pandora's box is always like 2 block cards away from being a solid deck., if can make it far enough to find those two block cards, you're probably gonna do fine.
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curiousCat posted:reading about the relic switch being good inspired me, and 
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:i decided to just play a normal game and lmao i'm just smashing through it without any trouble Yeah, I accidently forgot to set A17 yesterday, I was wondering why I was just blasting through everything. Once I realized, I felt really dumb.
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Drunk Nerds posted:Congrats! https://twitch.tv/videos/880254939 (In the beginning I'm not clear: I abandon the first run at Neow because I had it at A13 and I wanted the Tayter Swift experience of A0) Please discuss. Would love to learn and hope it helps Tayter Swift https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2S1MgEHjt4 Drunk Nerds fucked around with this message at 02:57 on Jan 20, 2021 |
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Tayter Swift posted:I'm still scared of Act 2/3 Elites. Just about every time I've tried one I get completely wrecked. They're less afraid of you than you are of them. Regardless, 
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Countblanc posted:I feel like it's somewhat easy to cheese out a win with silent if you get lucky with a wraith form, a catalyst, and poison generation. No other character really has a catalyst style "you win now" button. So like even if you don't understand how to really build great desks or deal with lots of the enemies you can sorta skirt by in ways the other classes can't I was coming to this same conclusion but I'm new to the game so wasn't sure if it was a common opinion or not. I wanted to go "poison" deck but really that boils down to catalyst plus "don't die" cards. Like as few as 1-2 poison cards with a catalyst is kind of fine? And then if you get more catalysts or a burst, even better.
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I started Act 2 on a Defect run with 11 cards, and none of them were my starting strike/block cards because I spent ALL my money on removals, got removal events, and took Empty Cage (remove 2 cards) as my boss relic  I didn't make it to Act 3. I have no idea how to play defect but it felt good to roleplay as poverty bot
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Countblanc posted:I feel like it's somewhat easy to cheese out a win with silent if you get lucky with a wraith form, a catalyst, and poison generation. No other character really has a catalyst style "you win now" button. So like even if you don't understand how to really build great desks or deal with lots of the enemies you can sorta skirt by in ways the other classes can't Catalyst is ftw but I’ve been using wraith form a lot less, not skipping it obviously but not having it in my decks for most wins. Silent just has cool blocking cards. Backflip, cloak and dagger, all the blocking uncommons plus dexterity, don’t even need wraith form
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