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grittyreboot posted:I actually think they did used it well in the climax of Godzilla 2014. I've seen plenty of destroyed cities in movies before but that scene made me feel like "Oh poo poo, this is the apocalypse" There was a whole theme with 2014 where for most of the movie you don't see much of the monsters, and what you do see is explicitly 'framed' through windows, TV screens, and such. (was really funny when a CineD poster pointed this out as a 'repeated flaw', rather than an extremely obvious stylistic choice, especially given there's the Yucca Mountain scene where the absence of a kaiju when seen through a tiny slot in a door is a major point) but they gradually build it up to seeing more of them until the finale where it's a proper smackdown.
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They left you wanting more. Just seeing godzilla wreck poo poo for two hours like some people asked for would be boring. The glimpses were exciting. It was well done, if not everyone's cup of tea
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The Bloop posted:They left you wanting more. This is the "Media that didn't age well" thread. You're thinking of the "Wrong Opinion" thread.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:There was a whole theme with 2014 where for most of the movie you don't see much of the monsters, and what you do see is explicitly 'framed' through windows, TV screens, and such. (was really funny when a CineD poster pointed this out as a 'repeated flaw', rather than an extremely obvious stylistic choice, especially given there's the Yucca Mountain scene where the absence of a kaiju when seen through a tiny slot in a door is a major point) but they gradually build it up to seeing more of them until the finale where it's a proper smackdown. counter: a stylistic choice can be stupid and bad. See: The bad and stupid 2014 godzilla movie. e: to be clear the main problem with that movie is it makes that stylictic choice and then has gently caress all to back it up, mostly being a movie about boring people having unimportant conversations in bland locations. Dinosaurs are on-screen 11 minutes of Jurassic Park and that movie still rules. Calico Heart has a new favorite as of 18:22 on Jan 25, 2021 |
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It is an interesting contrast between Godzilla-esque kaiju movies and their direct ancestors and contemporary counterparts, the Giant Radioactive Mutant Animal movie from the 50s, things like Them! or The Beginning of the End or Tarantula or The Black Scorpion, or even Godzilla's direct inspiration, the Beast from 20,000 Fathoms. Both genres usually contain all-knowing scientists and steely-eyed generals in over their heads and maybe a reporter love interest, but the American ones seemed to age rather worse, even the ones with comparable special effects. I wonder if it's a tone thing, where one has more of a sense of mankind overcoming its follies kinda neutering the threats of the monsters even as they're rampaging through some relatively depopulated area and maybe wracking up a death toll in the hundreds, where 1954 Godzilla is shocking in its realistic brutality to the point of being almost incomprehensible that a single animal could do all this. The giant radioactive bugs aren't killed because it's like a small-town sheriff trying to blow it up with dynamite, they're in over their heads trying to contain a nuisance. Kaiju aren't killed because they're unkillable, like a hurricane or a volcano or an animistic god. It's a bit more timeless than "anxiety about nuclear energy"
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Godzilla 2014 was all about building scale and hype for Godzilla, which, in my opinion, did pay off: Godzilla feels massive and apocalyptic in a way that's hard to sell with just "Massive Lizard." He feels godlike, and that final bit, when he actually does fight, is amazing. I liked it a lot more on rewatch, knowing that there was payoff coming and knowing the "build hype-cutaway" trick was going on. Plus, I like that the theme is so much about people not paying attention: there's a scene in a casino where everyone's glued to the slots, ignoring the news reports about evacuating, until the monster literally smashes through the wall. Going to Yucca mountain, the team's totally stuck on their tunnel vision, not realizing the waste is gone until they've gone through the facility and opened the door... something that'd be extremely obvious from the outside as they approached the mountain. People are constantly distracted from the massive threat until it hits, which you could make a GIANT GLOBAL WARMING METAPHOR about. On the flip side, it clearly didn't connect because if you ask anyone they'll tell you how pissed off they were by the constant denial of cool monster fights. So I liked it, but I definitely see that it didn't work for a blockbuster. Oh! And it's one of the first film appearances of the F-35 and they do literally nothing but uselessly fall out of the sky, which is hilarious. That part's aged perfectly.
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The best recent Godzilla movie is still Shin Godzilla and I will fistfight anyone who says otherwise.  In part because the scenes with people actually have a point to them instead of just being Billie Piper staring off-camera in horror constantly. I enjoy the others but that atomic breath scene is just chef’s kiss.
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Bussamove posted:The best recent Godzilla movie is still Shin Godzilla and I will fistfight anyone who says otherwise. What Godzilla was Billie Piper in???
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Toshimo posted:What Godzilla was Billie Piper in??? Millie Bobby Brown. Its early and I’m tired but mot editing so everyone can see my shame.
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Bussamove posted:Millie Bobby Brown. Its early and I’m tired but mot editing so everyone can see my shame. don't worry, they're interchangeable sci-fi leads with similar names and the same quality of acting both ruined by lusting after unattainable children by the second season of their breakout shows
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was i the only that wasn't a big fan of godzilla 2014 cause of the new kaijus? king of monsters was much better for a variety of reasons, but agreed on it being really drat hard to see
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sassassin posted:It's a gift from the gods there's no possible sequence of events that works out well for Iolaus. Yah, the Greek gods are a right bunch of bastards, attract their attention and you are p.much doomed.
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Yesterday I watched this episode of Star Trek and I have no idea what to make of it with a 2021 perspective on gender and sex. According to the wikipedia entry some people at the time thought that episode sanctioned conversion therapy but my read was exactly the opposite. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Outcast_(Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation) Hellblazer187 has a new favorite as of 22:46 on Jan 25, 2021 |
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Hellblazer187 posted:Yesterday I watched this episode of Star Trek and I have no idea what to make of it with a 2021 perspective on gender and sex. According to the wikipedia entry some people at the time thought that episode sanctioned conversion therapy but my read was exactly the opposite. I think it's a shame that they didn't have the aliens played by male actors like Frakes wanted.
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HopperUK posted:I think it's a shame that they didn't have the aliens played by male actors like Frakes wanted. Big agree. I also watched an episode where Famke Janssen played a woman who was more or less engineered to be a perfect mate, every male on the ship wanted her and her personality changed depending on which males were around. As hosed up as the premise itself is, I feel it also kinda exposed how absurdly heternormative the show was. Like surely on a ship with 1,000 people and the perfect woman engineered to be as desirable as possible, there'd be one woman at least who got swept up in it. But it was she is a sexy woman therefore all men and only men are losing their minds. I think Trek did a better job trying to pretend racism would be different 300 years from now, but the writers were very much stuck in their own paradigms vis a vis gender. The short skirts on original series are so very 1960s. At least Discovery has a few queer characters. Hellblazer187 has a new favorite as of 22:58 on Jan 25, 2021 |
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Mr Interweb posted:was i the only that wasn't a big fan of godzilla 2014 cause of the new kaijus? king of monsters was much better for a variety of reasons, but agreed on it being really drat hard to see The Mutos aren't any worse than the new kaiju from the millenium series.
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Hellblazer187 posted:
Turnabout Intruder is the most egregious misogyny in TOS, where that poor woman's mind is ruined because of her insane desire to do a man's job. It seems from what I've gathered that Rick Berman just did not want permanent gay characters in Trek. In Garak's first appearance on DS9 he's very clearly flirting quite hard with Bashir, but the actor got told to tone it down.
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It's a weird situation because it's obviously intended as a gay allegory (hence Frakes wanting a man to play his love interest) but now that gender identity is more understood the actual plot of the love interest being trans comes through in a bigger way. But I absolutely don't see how anyone could think that episode condones conversion therapy, Riker and Worf (the ultimate wing man) were willing to be court martialed to break her out. If anything I'd expect this episode to have aged well?
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Miniskirts were a symbol of liberation in the 60s, the blacklash against them for being objectifying happened after TOS ended.
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Humerus posted:It's a weird situation because it's obviously intended as a gay allegory (hence Frakes wanting a man to play his love interest) but now that gender identity is more understood the actual plot of the love interest being trans comes through in a bigger way. Yeah, I mean it's basically a sci-fi take on brainwashing where it actually works. It seems just as horrific to me, if not moreso in contemplation of the notion that a person is not simply being ineffectually tortured but having their mind and self erased. The ending plays it like they were lobotomized more than anything.
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Humerus posted:It's a weird situation because it's obviously intended as a gay allegory (hence Frakes wanting a man to play his love interest) but now that gender identity is more understood the actual plot of the love interest being trans comes through in a bigger way. The one about Wesley's werewolf girlfriend has a textbook trans panic moment, even if that's not exactly what it is. Can't speak to the Outcast, but thanks for the warning I should probably skip it for my mental health as a survivor of conversion therapy.
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Humerus posted:If anything I'd expect this episode to have aged well? I'm having trouble evaluating it, but I don't think it aged poorly per se. I think the element that doesn't age well is how simply shocked everyone is at the concept of being non binary. Like, 400 years later and it's this huge mystery. Overall it seems considerably more progressive on gender than I'd guess most things from 1992 would feel. I think it's mostly just I think the episode would be written much differently today. There's a lot of Trek (especially TOS) that's much much worse though.
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HopperUK posted:Turnabout Intruder is the most egregious misogyny in TOS, where that poor woman's mind is ruined because of her insane desire to do a man's job. I have trouble watching TOS, I'm just picking and choosing important episodes here or there as I do a watch through of TNG. I watched a lot of TNG and a bit of Voyager when I was a kid, but don't really remember much. I'm really enjoying the watch through of TNG, but The Outsider and The Perfect Mate kind of threw me for a loop, especially being so close to each other in the series. After TNG I'll do a watch through of DS9 and if I'm not Trek'd out by then Voyager. I'm caught up on Discovery too.
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Hellblazer187 posted:
Let me know how your DS9 watch goes, I have strong opinions about Vorta
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Humerus posted:Riker and Worf (the ultimate wing man) were willing to be court martialed to break her out. I already loved Riker and Worf, and that incident made my liking for them both go up through the roof.
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DS9 is by far the best Trek. I think one of the producers described it as “TNG is Superman and DS9 is Batman”. I hope this helps!
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At least TNG tried, for like two episodes, to have a couple male crew members wear mini skirts as some sort of sign of wardrobe equality?
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DrBouvenstein posted:At least TNG tried, for like two episodes, to have a couple male crew members wear mini skirts as some sort of sign of wardrobe equality? That was the dress uniform. Picard sometimes had to wear them to "fancy" space parties.
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WaywardWoodwose posted:That was the dress uniform. Picard sometimes had to wear them to "fancy" space parties. No, that’s the “skant” uniform. The TNG era dress uniform was similarly...dresslike? But not a skirt: 
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Blue Moonlight posted:No, that’s the “skant” uniform. The TNG era dress uniform was similarly...dresslike? But not a skirt: That looks pretty great imo
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Can you imagine if the enterprise had these air vents in the floor and Picard walks over one and his skirt blows up and his old man dick and balls get shown to the ambassadors of some species lmao
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oldpainless posted:Can you imagine if the enterprise had these air vents in the floor and Picard walks over one and his skirt blows up and his old man dick and balls get shown to the ambassadors of some species lmao Talk about your "captain's log"! I'll show myself out....
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oldpainless posted:Can you imagine if the enterprise had these air vents in the floor and Picard walks over one and his skirt blows up and his old man dick and balls get shown to the ambassadors of some species lmao Showing your junk to some rando aliens is called the Riker Maneuver.
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oldpainless posted:Can you imagine if the enterprise had these air vents in the floor and Picard walks over one and his skirt blows up and his old man dick and balls get shown to the ambassadors of some species lmao But it's too late, I've seen everything.
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Hellblazer187 posted:I'm having trouble evaluating it, but I don't think it aged poorly per se. I think the element that doesn't age well is how simply shocked everyone is at the concept of being non binary. Like, 400 years later and it's this huge mystery. Overall it seems considerably more progressive on gender than I'd guess most things from 1992 would feel. David Gerrold kept pitching a TNG script that was an AIDS allegory. TNG didn't produce it, so he turned it into a (very good) novel and then the Star Trek Phase 2 team picked it up. It's a good 2-part episode. The "Kirk's nephew" bit pays off, but Gerrold is a much, much better writer than he is a director. Worth a watch, especially if you haven't seen any of the continuation series before. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtifyhPScCw
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:That looks pretty great imo As a fat dude I'm comfortable saying that if you see Frakes or really any dude with a belly in the uniform then the comparisons to Homer in a muumuu are inescapable.
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mllaneza posted:David Gerrold kept pitching a TNG script that was an AIDS allegory. TNG didn't produce it, so he turned it into a (very good) novel and then the Star Trek Phase 2 team picked it up. It's a good 2-part episode. The "Kirk's nephew" bit pays off, but Gerrold is a much, much better writer than he is a director. Worth a watch, especially if you haven't seen any of the continuation series before. This is weird as poo poo and fun as hell.
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oldpainless posted:Can you imagine if the enterprise had these air vents in the floor and Picard walks over one and his skirt blows up and his old man dick and balls get shown to the ambassadors of some species lmao I'm just picturing him doing the Marylin Monroe manuever. Byzantine posted:Miniskirts were a symbol of liberation in the 60s, the blacklash against them for being objectifying happened after TOS ended. Yeah, kinda have to keep in mind back then they were comfortable, practical and stylish when women were still expected to be wearing dresses in formal settings.
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oldpainless posted:Can you imagine if the enterprise had these air vents in the floor and Picard walks over one and his skirt blows up and his old man dick and balls get shown to the ambassadors of some species lmao
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oldpainless posted:I agree with most of this but whereas you would describe it as “yikes-y” I would go with a much stronger “yikestastic” or even a “yikes-a-roonie” Yikes-a-roofie!
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