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Palpek
Dec 27, 2008


Do you feel it, Zach?
My coffee warned me about it.


Samovar posted:

I just finished a book reading about eugenic movements in the countries occupied by Nazi Germany (leading up to, during and post-liberation), and oh BOY is this on the mark.
That's interesting, do you remember any examples?

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Loveshaft
Nov 3, 2020

Palpek posted:

That's interesting, do you remember any examples?

Right-wingers are terrified of women having interracial sex and babies.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Loveshaft posted:

Right-wingers are terrified of women having interracial sex and babies.

Gonna guess they get this from frantically jacking it to racist porn all day

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

I'm 😤 not a 🦸🏻‍♂️hero...🧜🏻



Palpek posted:

That's interesting, do you remember any examples?

From 'Racial Science in Hitler's New Europe 1938-1945', essay on eugenics in Norway by Terje Emberland, quoting a Wilhelm Saure, a legal expert to the Reich Farmer's Office:

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Samovar posted:

From 'Racial Science in Hitler's New Europe 1938-1945', essay on eugenics in Norway by Terje Emberland, quoting a Wilhelm Saure, a legal expert to the Reich Farmer's Office:



When he says there's a preference at the top of this page, that means that his soldiers raped all the women they came across, right? Or that the women were bartering sex for rations or the lives of their families or something, right?

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

I'm 😤 not a 🦸🏻‍♂️hero...🧜🏻



Antifa Turkeesian posted:

When he says there's a preference at the top of this page, that means that his soldiers raped all the women they came across, right? Or that the women were bartering sex for rations or the lives of their families or something, right?

I would not be remotely surprised.

Brother Tadger
Feb 15, 2012

I'm accidentally a suicide bomber!

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

When he says there's a preference at the top of this page, that means that his soldiers raped all the women they came across, right? Or that the women were bartering sex for rations or the lives of their families or something, right?

100%

Palpek
Dec 27, 2008


Do you feel it, Zach?
My coffee warned me about it.


Samovar posted:

From 'Racial Science in Hitler's New Europe 1938-1945', essay on eugenics in Norway by Terje Emberland, quoting a Wilhelm Saure, a legal expert to the Reich Farmer's Office:


drat, replace "German man" with "high ranking male" and you got yourself a script of a Peterson lecture.

Ocean Book
Sep 27, 2010

:yum: - hi
I’m working on my eugenetic theory of why teenage girls want tik tok hair boys

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

https://twitter.com/TheSTMagazine/status/1356308966758887425

:qq:

shame it's behind a paywall. would like to see what he's crying about now

Wark Say
Feb 22, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Mr Interweb posted:

shame it's behind a paywall.
Here, let me give you a cliff's notes.

"Blah-dee blah-dee I am a giant tosspot with a decaying turd for a brian, blahblahblah, everything wrong in my life has been self-inflicted to one degree or another, s'not right to be on the other side of one of my rants, okay?!" :qq::fh:

There, that's the average Jordan Bernt Peterson experience post-coma/brain damage. Now I know most peeps can't help but look upon a trainwreck, whether literal or metaphorical, and making GBS threads on him feels so good but-- wait, no, nevermind. Carry on. :cawg:

Zulily Zoetrope
Jun 1, 2011

Muldoon

I think these are the paragraphs of note:

quote:

In January last year, with the help of her husband, a nurse and a security guard, Mikhaila put Peterson on a private plane to Moscow. The clinic there was more familiar with detoxing patients from opiates than benzodiazepines; they took one look at Peterson and said he’d been deliberately poisoned. “And I was, like, no, it’s the meds!” To complicate matters further, the clinic intubated him for undiagnosed pneumonia. Did she feel her father was in safe hands? “Well, my husband was translating everything, which was terrifying. But the clinic looked really modern. It didn’t look sketchy.”

--

He was — and remains — intensely frustrated that journalists keep casting his work as “fundamentally political”. “I really don’t like upsetting people,” he says. “I’m a clinical psychologist, it’s in my nature to help people. I’m not interested in generating controversy. I’ve been trying to help people [understand] that they need a profound meaning in their life because their lives are difficult.”

Peterson’s critics will undoubtedly point out that he built an entire intellectual philosophy upon the principle that life is all about pain and suffering; that the strong, manly response is to square one’s shoulders and battle through it, not to take drugs to numb the pain. “No, I’ve never said that. Look, if you’re a viable clinician you encourage people to take psychiatric medication when it’s appropriate. What I really encourage in people is to understand that it isn’t useful to allow your suffering to make you resentful. And, believe me, I’ve had plenty of temptation to become resentful about what’s happened to me in the last two years.”

--

When I watched the podcast he made last June with Mikhaila in Belgrade, I tell him, I thought he looked angry, and wondered who or what he was angry with. “Well, pain will make you angry.” Is any part of Peterson angry with himself for taking benzodiazepines? He hesitates. “I wouldn’t say angry. But it’s not like I failed to see the irony. That was another thing that continues to make it difficult to stomach. You know, should I have known better? Possibly.”

Mikhaila interrupts sharply. “Well …” but he continues. “I mean, I did do my thesis on alcoholism.” She raises her voice and waves her arms. “This is — hold up, hold up! You had a side-effect from a medication. Should you have known better that benzodiazepines can cause akathisia in people who take SSRIs?” “No,” Peterson defers. Enunciating each word, she spells out: “This. Wasn’t. A. Benzodiazepine. Dependency. Problem. This was an akathisia side-effect from psych meds.” Her father nods. “Right. Yes, that’s right.” Mikhaila checks the time. “We have to wrap up.” He glances up. “I’m doing OK, by the way.” “Yeah, yeah, I know. But still.” Is he absolutely sure, I try once more, that what he experienced wasn’t an understandable response to intolerable stress? “There’s no way akathisia is that,” Mikhaila snaps.

--

One thing that has not changed is his politics. Asked about the storming of the Capitol in Washington, he clicks back into more familiar, self-assured Peterson mode. “I thought that the continual pushing on the radical leftist front would wake up the sleeping right. I saw it coming five years ago. And you can put it at Trump’s feet, but it’s not helpful. I mean, obviously he was the immediate catalyst for the horrible events that enveloped Washington — and perhaps it’ll all die down when Trump disappears. But I doubt it.” Should Trump be impeached? “I think he should be ignored.”

It's pretty much Jorp being Jorp, he's not political, he never said that, the left are the real nazis, but his daughter is exactly as insane as she appears and also runs his life.

MakaVillian
Aug 16, 2003

Well, in Whoville they say - that his tiny hands grew three sizes that day.

Zulily Zoetrope posted:

I think these are the paragraphs of note:


It's pretty much Jorp being Jorp, he's not political, he never said that, the left are the real nazis, but his daughter is exactly as insane as she appears and also runs his life.

Yeah she definitely wants to keep the gravy train going

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week
lol he didn't have to get put into an artificial coma for the benzo dependency, it was all the restless leg syndrome!


Zulily Zoetrope posted:

his daughter is exactly as insane as she appears and also runs his life.

he warned us about the female chaos dragons bro! we didn't listen!

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

Zulily Zoetrope posted:

I think these are the paragraphs of note:


It's pretty much Jorp being Jorp, he's not political, he never said that, the left are the real nazis, but his daughter is exactly as insane as she appears and also runs his life.

Mikhaila is keeping Jordan on a tight leash. Can't let daddy's rotting grey matter ruin the grift, after all.

Haulin Oates
Nov 11, 2020

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Zulily Zoetrope posted:

I think these are the paragraphs of note:


It's pretty much Jorp being Jorp, he's not political, he never said that, the left are the real nazis, but his daughter is exactly as insane as she appears and also runs his life.

Their relationship reminds me of an episode of Law & Order, where the father had sexually abused his daughter, and the daughter as an adult blackmailed him and exploited his weaknesses to make him suffer. And the father was a famous chef, so she kept him around to keep exploiting him for money instead of turning him in.

Another Bill
Sep 27, 2018

Born on the bayou
died in a cave
bbq and posting
is all I crave

Haulin Oates posted:

Their relationship reminds me of an episode of Law & Order, where the father had sexually abused his daughter, and the daughter as an adult blackmailed him and exploited his weaknesses to make him suffer. And the father was a famous chef, so she kept him around to keep exploiting him for money instead of turning him in.

Oooooh I bet McCoy was so fuckin' indignant.

The Alchemist
Dec 12, 2010

Klyith posted:

he warned us about the female chaos dragons bro! we didn't listen!

Wait, could it be that this rightwing conservative was projecting this whole time?? I have heard it happen before..

Brother Tadger
Feb 15, 2012

I'm accidentally a suicide bomber!

Haulin Oates posted:

Their relationship reminds me of an episode of Law & Order, where the father had sexually abused his daughter, and the daughter as an adult blackmailed him and exploited his weaknesses to make him suffer. And the father was a famous chef, so she kept him around to keep exploiting him for money instead of turning him in.

while it’s terrible, this is honestly what I’ve always assumed about their relationship, tbh

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

quote:

Those drugs (benzos) are notoriously addictive, I point out; he had surely heard enough horror stories about housewives hooked on Valium in the 1960s to be wary? “No, I really didn’t give it a second thought. They were prescribed and I just took them.”

one of the world's leading experts in psychology (lol) not understanding that benzos is addicting :psyboom:

also, loving double :lol: at jorp STILL claiming he's not political. yes, going on multiple speaking tours with the likes of dave rubin and ben shapiro, while whining about the radical postmodern neomarxist left makes you apolitical as gently caress.

Inverted Icon
Apr 8, 2020

by Athanatos

Haulin Oates posted:

Their relationship reminds me of an episode of Law & Order, where the father had sexually abused his daughter, and the daughter as an adult blackmailed him and exploited his weaknesses to make him suffer. And the father was a famous chef, so she kept him around to keep exploiting him for money instead of turning him in.

tbh, on the outside this is also the sort of vibe i get too. where there was some kind of weirdo psychoanalytic power games between father and daughter that caused her to grow up to just sorta slip her father into a coma, publish a book where the cover is the two of them almost naked on the cover with her five times his size and him looking down in shame, and keeping him behind the curtain but trotting him out all palsied and blinking for the lime light

Inverted Icon
Apr 8, 2020

by Athanatos
i mean, looking at that book cover, its insane that they would publish it like that

like imagine giving that cover to freud and being like 'okay tell me what you think'

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth
TBH Freud's answer could vary wildly depending on how much cocaine he'd done at that moment

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

one really good thing about that interview is that it confirms jorp's been suffering for at least an entire year and he's still miles away from a full recovery :unsmith:

The Sausages
Sep 30, 2012

What do you want to do? Who do you want to be?
Jorp & Mikhaila are pissy at people who noticed that they said a team of psychiatrists thought Jorp has Schizophrenia:

Mikhaila Peterson posted:

...one of the conversations we had with this psychiatrist, he goes, "Well, we think it's schizophrenia." And I was like, "these symptoms didn't even start until he started the medications. Okay, so you're telling me, like, a mid-50-year-old man with no previous symptoms of schizophrenia suddenly gets schizophrenia, which generally happens in the late teens for men. It's not like we're uneducated on these things.
Uneducated enough to be ignorant of Late Onset Schizophrenia though.

reddit posted:

He's eating a hamburger diet to ward off a chaos dragon, is persecuted by a conspiracy of postmodern neomarxists he can't name, doesn't even seem to have an idea of what Marxism is if the Zizek debate was any guide, and any time he deviates from generic self-help nonsense he writes regular nonsense wrapped in religious and political imagery.

Maps of Meaning is the biggest piece of evidence I've seen for it if he is schizophrenic. Those graphs are as coherent as any r/gangstalking post but they have that same sort of internal logical consistency where they make perfect sense to the author.

Prism Mirror Lens
Oct 9, 2012

~*"The most intelligent and meaning-rich film he could think of was Shaun of the Dead, I don't think either brain is going to absorb anything you post."*~




:chord:
An ironic passage from Rules

quote:

Chris had a psychotic break in his thirties, after flirting with insanity for many years. Not long afterward, he committed suicide. Did his heavy marijuana use play a magnifying role, or was it understandable self-medication? Use of physician-prescribed drugs for pain has, after all, decreased in marijuana-legal states such as Colorado.63 Maybe the pot made things better for Chris, not worse. Maybe it eased his suffering, instead of exacerbating his instability. Was it the nihilistic philosophy he nurtured that paved the way to his eventual breakdown? Was that nihilism, in turn, a consequence of genuine ill health, or just an intellectual rationalization of his unwillingness to dive responsibly into life? Why did he—like his cousin, like my other friends—continually choose people who, and places that, were not good for him?

Sometimes, when people have a low opinion of their own worth—or, perhaps, when they refuse responsibility for their lives—they choose a new acquaintance, of precisely the type who proved troublesome in the past. Such people don’t believe that they deserve any better—so they don’t go looking for it. “Or, perhaps, they don’t want the trouble of better. Freud called this a “repetition compulsion.” He thought of it as an unconscious drive to repeat the horrors of the past—sometimes, perhaps, to formulate those horrors more precisely, sometimes to attempt more active mastery and sometimes, perhaps, because no alternatives beckon. People create their worlds with the tools they have directly at hand. Faulty tools produce faulty results. Repeated use of the same faulty tools produces the same faulty results. It is in this manner that those who fail to learn from the past doom themselves to repeat it. It’s partly fate. It’s partly inability. It’s partly … unwillingness to learn? Refusal to learn? Motivated refusal to learn?

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

I'm 😤 not a 🦸🏻‍♂️hero...🧜🏻



Gee whiz, who on Earth could have predicted this? Besides from anyone with a functioning upper brain stem?

...so, uh, not Peterson, I guess.

Palpek
Dec 27, 2008


Do you feel it, Zach?
My coffee warned me about it.


Mr Interweb posted:

one of the world's leading experts in psychology (lol) not understanding that benzos is addicting :psyboom:
He is (was?) an actively working psychotherapist who self-admittedly: a) never went through psychotherapy himself because he found that one Jung quote from 1930's that said he doesn't need to, b) has never been under any sort of supervision in his work because he's just too smart.

Of course as the guy treating addicts in his practice he has no basic idea about drugs.

He's also repeatedly guilty of presenting some basic cultural/political/historical information he just found out as absolutely mindblowing for him and strongly believing that therefore it must be like that for everybody else. He's going to keep whining about his benzo abuse as if he's the first person to ever experience addiction. His martyr complex just received another boost.

Wark Say
Feb 22, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
It's like finding out Trump became familiar with a basic-rear end concept and the way he talked about it and it's like "Jesus, how sheltered/incurious is this loving guy?"

(a lot, apparently)

Brother Tadger
Feb 15, 2012

I'm accidentally a suicide bomber!

Lol you just reminded me of the time Trump claimed to have invented the concept of “priming the pump”

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

https://www.jordanbpeterson.com/blog-posts/the-sunday-times-interview-request-and-my-response/

and right on cue, we have the Lobster King whining about an interview done by anyone who's not a slobbering sycophant.

quote:

I do not think that it is mere thin-skinned sensitivity on my part to believe that I would have fared no worse had I discussed my affairs with an avowed enemy.

:lol: of course not, jorpy

Brother Tadger
Feb 15, 2012

I'm accidentally a suicide bomber!

I made it this far

quote:

Given the tenor of the piece (very critical of me and even more of my daughter Mikhaila) and the fact that I have been subject to very similar unflattering coverage many times in the past it appears reasonable for even those inclined to my defense to ask: how could I possibly have been stupid enough to agree to the interview and story?

How do people find this guy entertaining or listen to him for extended periods

Sentinel
Jan 1, 2009

High Tech
Low Life


1redflag posted:

I made it this far


How do people find this guy entertaining or listen to him for extended periods

It's a loving mystery.
Had a dude i roomed with briefly who was super into him a few years back.
He'd play his talks or whatever on YouTube whenever he was cooking or just doing whatever.
I never ever found the guy interesting or that he had anything worthwhile to say.
But he ate it up. This was when jorp was prattleing on about lobsters and how masculinity was being threatened.
He was a prick though who eventually assaulted me, extorted a girl i know for sex and was a proto chud so it all checks out.

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

listened to the interview cause i hate myself. here are the noteworthy things from the interview:

-jorp insisting that contrary to popular belief mikhaela is not trying to kill him
-jorp says the famed apple cider incident led him to lose his first discussion with sam harris, as he was only able to use 5% of his true power (seriously, he said that)
-the interviewer is surprised about apple cider having that effect, and mikhala interrupts harshly to point out it wasn't the apple cider, it was some chemical IN the apple cider
-that there was a time when a protester was in his face and it took every bit of will power to not knock the guy out and the only reason he didn't was cause of his disciplined mind that he developed being a psychologist :lol:
-not a huge deal in the grand scheme of things, but jorp pronounces the word 'caricature' as 'karick-achur' :argh:
-he says he's proud of the fact that he's never become resentful like his critics :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
-there's no evidence inequality is caused by capitalism
-jorp's benzos treatment went up from 0.25 mg to 4 mg

your welcome goons

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

Mr Interweb posted:

-that there was a time when a protester was in his face and it took every bit of will power to not knock the guy out and the only reason he didn't was cause of his disciplined mind that he developed being a psychologist :lol:

This one stands out because every time you see someone say not doing something violent is some supreme act of self-discipline that deserves respect, you know you're dealing with a psychopath or a narcissist.

It's incredibly easy to not do things.

But also yes, lol.

DickParasite
Dec 2, 2004


Slippery Tilde

ikanreed posted:

This one stands out because every time you see someone say not doing something violent is some supreme act of self-discipline that deserves respect, you know you're dealing with a psychopath or a narcissist.


Sure or a total wimp who thinks that's what tough guys say and has never been in a fight before.

JP wishes he was Dalton in Roadhouse but he's actually Michael Bolton in Office Space.

Zulily Zoetrope
Jun 1, 2011

Muldoon
Reminder that he fantasized about tossing a toddler 30 feet because said toddler picked on a girl, not for any reason a 2 year old might normally have, but as an expressly political statement against the institution of parenthood and Jordan B Peterson in particular.

quote:

I remember taking my daughter to the playground once when she was about two. She was playing on the monkey bars, hanging in mid-air. A particularly provocative little monster of about the same age was standing above her on the same bar she was gripping. I watched him move towards her. Our eyes locked. He slowly and deliberately stepped on her hands, with increasing force, over and over, as he stared me down. He knew exactly what he was doing. Up yours, Daddy-O—that was his philosophy. He had already concluded that adults were contemptible, and that he could safely defy them. (Too bad, then, that he was destined to become one.) That was the hopeless future his parents had saddled him with. To his great and salutary shock, I picked him bodily off the playground structure, and threw him thirty feet down the field. No, I didn’t. I just took my daughter somewhere else. But it would have been better for him if I had.

Zulily Zoetrope fucked around with this message at 08:27 on Feb 4, 2021

Mr. Fall Down Terror
Jan 24, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
i'd be intimidated too of a boss rear end toddler walking on top of monkey bars, drat. kid was probably rolling a cig at the same time as he stared down a grown adult in a power play. maybe he was fidgeting with a butterfly knife in his offhand

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Thing is that is just normal for his target demographic, stunted men who think ideal masculinity is constant chimpanzee flip-outs of rage and violence.

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Prism Mirror Lens
Oct 9, 2012

~*"The most intelligent and meaning-rich film he could think of was Shaun of the Dead, I don't think either brain is going to absorb anything you post."*~




:chord:

Mr Interweb posted:

https://www.jordanbpeterson.com/blog-posts/the-sunday-times-interview-request-and-my-response/

and right on cue, we have the Lobster King whining about an interview done by anyone who's not a slobbering sycophant.


This reminds me of the Tarantino interview where they ask him about racism and he goes “I’m just here to sell my movie, this is supposed to be a commercial!” Why won’t the media unquestioningly promote me :qq:

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