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Cojawfee posted:So what was with that thing at the end of the episode. Time freezes and then black smoke shoots through the ship? Is that just a new effect for going through the ring, or was their ship destroyed? Probably something to do with the ancient evil who killed all the original protomolecule aliens Red is bad alien juju I guess, blue is usually bad sometimes good
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Horizon Burning posted:yeah, no way they didn't cut the poo poo out of anvar's role for the entire season I really don't think they did. Now that the whole season is over, the book version: Alex goes back to Mars and investigates what's going on with the Mars corruption, which Bobbie did in season 4. He meets with some fleet people like in the show, then he, Bobbie, and the Martian Prime Minister (I forget how he gets involved exactly) go out to look for the missing ships, get caught and fired on by the Barkeith etc, and have to run like gently caress to Luna and get saved by a UNN fleet. So the whole story was different, Alex was the one who found out about what was going on and gets the word out to the UN. Unless they went back in time and started changing it in season 4, this is the story they intended. Except the end.
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Cojawfee posted:So what was with that thing at the end of the episode. Time freezes and then black smoke shoots through the ship? Is that just a new effect for going through the ring, or was their ship destroyed? Go back and compare the look of that effect with the anomaly at the end of S4 that the scientist falls into.
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eke out posted:i don't remember exactly when the timeline for the allegations against cass anwar were, but wouldn't they have been aware of them while shooting? i thought the story had broken but the "investigation" by the studio finding him at fault was just not complete yet I just started watching this like a month ago or month and a half ago (caught up now), but I went jumping through some of the threads for previous seasons and there was someone who posted something about Cass' behavior at a con/with fans via their friend's experience back in I think the S3 thread. I guess it was enough of an open secret at that point?
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Grand Fromage posted:I really don't think they did. Now that the whole season is over, the book version: Alex goes back to Mars and investigates what's going on with the Mars corruption, which Bobbie did in season 4. He meets with some fleet people like in the show, then he, Bobbie, and the Martian Prime Minister (I forget how he gets involved exactly) go out to look for the missing ships, get caught and fired on by the Barkeith etc, and have to run like gently caress to Luna and get saved by a UNN fleet. So the whole story was different, Alex was the one who found out about what was going on and gets the word out to the UN. Unless they went back in time and started changing it in season 4, this is the story they intended. Except the end. What’s more likely? That they faithfully adapted the book this season despite taking considerable liberties adapting the source material in previous seasons and just totally hosed up the pacing despite personal interest from the one of the richest men on earth? Or that they adapted the source material to give an outsized role to a core cast member and then had to edit it down after he was fired for being a sex creep?
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Grand Fromage posted:I really don't think they did. Now that the whole season is over, the book version: Alex goes back to Mars and investigates what's going on with the Mars corruption, which Bobbie did in season 4. He meets with some fleet people like in the show, then he, Bobbie, and the Martian Prime Minister (I forget how he gets involved exactly) go out to look for the missing ships, get caught and fired on by the Barkeith etc, and have to run like gently caress to Luna and get saved by a UNN fleet. So the whole story was different, Alex was the one who found out about what was going on and gets the word out to the UN. Unless they went back in time and started changing it in season 4, this is the story they intended. Except the end. Sounds like it would have been way better if they just followed the book, but had Bobbie do all of Alex's parts alone. What a let down. I used to like this show
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There's no way a bunch of Alex's content was cut, this is how they intended the season to go. They would've just needed to reshoot a few scenes in the last 25 minutes.
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scary ghost dog posted:youre describing the writing of the character, im criticizing the performance. its wooden and unconvincing If you check my last post again, it is about the actress' choices, not the script. Scripts never provide that level of detail, although I am guessing you don't have much familiarity with scripts, or acting, or other elements of the craft. You say you found the performance unconvincing. In what way? What specific performative choices do you think were unconvincingly made? Dreylad posted:My wife commented on him being a pretty poor actor, but I thought he was fine given the role he was playing like other people in this thread have said. People have different standards for what constitutes good and bad acting -- I think I tend not to judge too much because I've watched a lot of sci-fi. People have different reactions, sure. But I am starting to get a little grumpy about people saying "X is a bad actor" instead of "I didn't like X's performance." At least when people offer hot takes about their favorite/least favorite sports stars, they usually understand the basics about how the sport in question is played. Jacob Mundell, as has been mentioned, is clearly playing Erich as trying to be someone he isn't entirely comfortable being. Stack that on top of his first appearance, where the character is uncertain and profoundly uncomfortable and scared, and I can see how someone could read that as bad acting and not as good acting. It is acting that reinforces the subtext of the scene--in other words, good acting, even if you think the subtext, the scene, or the writing don't work, in which case it was a well-performed but poorly written scene. TheOmegaWalrus posted:Erich's acting is pretty bland and unconvincing. Granted my charmed life hasn't given me any real-life criminal kingpins to compare him to, for this role he seems meek and a little petulant. It's well-calculated, if not pitch perfect. I also have no experience with mob bosses, but I know several people who grew up around retired mobsters and if you're judging performances based on TV or movies, you're simply wrong. They're a lot more like business management than anything else, though with some extra options for resolving labor disputes. More to the point, Erich is clearly the "shadowy boss-man" who most people don't get to see personally. He's a scary name who uses his enforcers and subordinates to avoid having to deal directly with people, in part out of the kind of self-awareness that anyone with a visible disability growing up in his circumstances would develop, and in part because he's a technocrat. I have no doubt his organization is well-managed and he's not going to be diddled by accountants, and his own area of expertise is in hacking and identity theft, not brawling or being a con artist. Why in the world would he need people skills? Amos killed the last kingpin and put Erich in his place, and Erich has done a good job since then. He can get a dozen intimidating thugs off the streets. People will be scared of him not because he's intimidating, but because he's ruthless and he has people who will carry out his orders. He should absolutely feel like someone who, in better circumstances and if Earth weren't screwed up, should be managing a Best Buy. You don't like those choices and would have preferred to see the character played differently, and that's fine. But the fact that a performer (probably in consultation with the directors) made a different performative choice doesn't somehow prove that choice to be wrong, much less the choice made by a bad actor. And I find it frankly insulting that you suggest that he was cast "progressively" and not because the casting folks thought he worked for the role. I guarantee you he made these same choices in auditions, and he was selected because those choices were the direction the showrunners wanted to go. If you think that was a bad direction, why not blame the people who cast him instead of trashing the actor and implying he only got the role because of his disability, not his acting? One last comment: what the heck are the posters comparing this season to Game of Thrones smoking? This season may be slow-paced, but it's jam-packed full of character moments at the expense of the plot elements. GoT was so concerned with checking off plot elements that it half-assed characters to the point where some characters had to go through major changes in a 15 minute period, while others completely changed depending upon what the plot demanded. If anything, the Expanse has gone in the opposite direction, slowing down the plot to focus on small character moments and development to the extent that one big plot thing happens early and one more big plot thing will happen in the last episode and the rest is just a bunch of character development subplotting.
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Cojawfee posted:So what was with that thing at the end of the episode. Time freezes and then black smoke shoots through the ship? Is that just a new effect for going through the ring, or was their ship destroyed? I think it's the same thing Holden showed Fred in the first episode this season. The room was filled with swirling red stuff.
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I thought what happened with the Barkeith at the end was unfilmable, but wow, that was cool.
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Feb 3, 2021 03:03
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Ornamental Dingbat posted:Lol Alex oh poo poo owned
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Baron Fuzzlewhack posted:That's probably a more realistic depiction and when I think about it is way more harrowing and depressing--every day is so overcast it looks like a heavy snow- or thunderstorm is imminent, but it's just dust in the air. Weeks, possibly months of nothing but dark, overcast skies that make you feel like you're in perpetual twilight. That sounds awful*. As a Seattleite, nine months of grey is fine; our summers are gorgeous even if it gets a little "All Of Summer In A Day" roundabout January-February. What really makes me lose my poo poo is the fire summers we've been having lately where it looks like perpetual orange sunset makes everything look sickly, and everything is sickly because the AQ is 300-500 PPI.
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So like nothing happens in the loving finale until the last ten minutes? Lol
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Panderfringe posted:So like nothing happens in the loving finale until the last ten minutes? Lol What? Did you miss the whole space battle that was the first half of the episode?
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Panderfringe posted:So like nothing happens in the loving finale until the last ten minutes? Lol Ok at this point you're definitely watching a different show to everyone else. What the gently caress?
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Nail Rat posted:I thought what happened with the Barkeith at the end was unfilmable, but wow, that was cool. Yes. I remember reading the scene and thought the exact same thing. But there you go. Man, I don’t cry very often if ever (because my job has made me dead inside) but when Naiomi gets rescued, and she started crying with relief I just about broke down. It was all finally over. It was so powerful. We’ve lived all that with her. And geez they couldn’t have filmed that whole scene any better.
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Mu Zeta posted:I think it's the same thing Holden showed Fred in the first episode this season. The room was filled with swirling red stuff. Ah, I see now. So I guess that was meant for us to see, but they couldn't see it themselves. Just foreshadowing what's to come next season.
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Right at 16:05 is when this happens: https://twitter.com/SpacedockHQ/status/1356781711015645184 Pretty good poo poo from the show runners/effects guys
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Gully Foyle posted:What? Did you miss the whole space battle that was the first half of the episode? Why do people assume I'm talking about gunfights and kabooms? They set up plot threads and then didn't do anything with them, except show us Naomi torture porn for 4 episodes straight. I haven't seen the episode yet, just wondering if there's any conclusion other than the very, very end.
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Narsham posted:He should absolutely feel like someone who, in better circumstances and if Earth weren't screwed up, should be managing a Best Buy. You don't like those choices and would have preferred to see the character played differently, and that's fine. But the fact that a performer (probably in consultation with the directors) made a different performative choice doesn't somehow prove that choice to be wrong, much less the choice made by a bad actor. And I find it frankly insulting that you suggest that he was cast "progressively" and not because the casting folks thought he worked for the role. I guarantee you he made these same choices in auditions, and he was selected because those choices were the direction the showrunners wanted to go. This is much better put than I would have said it, and hits a point I was too frustrated to even try to engage with given a lot of the takes the past few weeks. Appreciate it. This season wasn't slow, or poorly paced, people just didn't care about what was happening and either didn't pay attention, or are framing it as 'this season was bad'. Personally no idea how someone didn't find pretty much everything in this season hella compelling, but 'it wasn't for me' is different than 'it was poorly made'.
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BrotherJayne posted:... why are there no English subs... Lol no kidding, there were a few scenes where I could have really used them
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Panderfringe posted:Why do people assume I'm talking about gunfights and kabooms? They set up plot threads and then didn't do anything with them, except show us Naomi torture porn for 4 episodes straight. I haven't seen the episode yet, just wondering if there's any conclusion other than the very, very end. Found the problem at least. This is even more advanced than 1.25x speed or skipping scenes then talking about the show. You've gone to a level beyond. Edit: By that I mean watch the episode and decide for yourself. Stuff happens all over the place.
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So when Naomi and Holden are in the recovery bay and commiserating, and she fires off a missile which they watch explode remotely, and Bull is like "Good thing we kept one in our back pocket", what was — oh that was Alex's coffin torpedo wasn't it
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Data Graham posted:So when Naomi and Holden are in the recovery bay and commiserating, and she fires off a missile which they watch explode remotely, and Bull is like "Good thing we kept one in our back pocket", what was — oh that was Alex's coffin torpedo wasn't it No, they were just destroying the Chetzemoka - it was still basically a bomb waiting for a ship to get too close.
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Data Graham posted:So when Naomi and Holden are in the recovery bay and commiserating, and she fires off a missile which they watch explode remotely, and Bull is like "Good thing we kept one in our back pocket", what was — oh that was Alex's coffin torpedo wasn't it They were destroying the Chetzemoka so it doesn't explode in someone else's face, Alex's remains were taken back to his family.
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Mu Zeta posted:I think it's the same thing Holden showed Fred in the first episode this season. The room was filled with swirling red stuff. I think that was a different thing, but could be wrong. I think Holden experienced one of those shadow things during a transit back in S4. Freaking sweeeet episode! Only disappointment: no Drummer gunbattle on a the ship's bridge. Still awesome though. The CIA/UN intelligence network is really effin' failing. Love it. Spies really dropped the ball getting blindsided by not knowing what the heck was going on with Mars or the Belt. Always gotta keep your little birds out there on the ground... S1/S2 showed the UN was pretty down with clandestine action. Course they lost their best spy (Cotyar) back in S3 and got hit by some rocks, so I'll allow it. Bull will be fine. Was really hoping we'd get the Rocci pompadour belter, but Bull's fine.
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a few thoughts on the ep: Alex: they had to do him this way and it was the right choice even for the character. The main 4 have too much plot armour and this was a good way to go about it to get rid of a problematic actor while also adding some stakes. Naomi: Her rescue scene was ridiculous however it was filmed in an amazing way. I love the static camera on her face as she floating through space and finally gets picked up. Amos: The scene where he re-introduces Peaches to Holden was hilarious. The Rocinante Plaque: It says 'legitimate salvage' on it which is the dumbest concept ever. This would be the equivalent of a bunch of fisherman salvaging an American nuclear submarine and the government saying 'ya sure I guess its yours now'. It was stupid in the books, stupid in S4 (even worse how they shoehorned buying it back) and its stupid now to make a plaque of it. Marco: His core characteristic is that he never admits defeat or a loss always twisting events to make it sound like its what he wanted all along, which makes it weird that admits how poorly his plan was foiled.
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Horizon Burning posted:yeah, no way they didn't cut the poo poo out of anvar's role for the entire season The only thing that really sucks about that is it probably ate into Bobbie time and Bobbie owns. I knew it was going to happen but I still cheered when you heard Bobbie's voice off-camera when she rescued Naomi. I gotta say I really liked that scene, they really captured how disorienting space can be. Strong conclusion to a season that felt like it was stretching things out some. Really cool to see some capital ships get some screen time. Donnager-class ships really can't catch a break can they?
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pik_d posted:They were destroying the Chetzemoka so it doesn't explode in someone else's face, Alex's remains were taken back to his family. Ah, well poo poo. I was watching it thinking they were just wordlessly blowing up the escaped protomolecule torpedo and expecting us to all just understand how that one got away because we all freezeframe the exhaust plume colors, but then later there was that whole thing about it. I overthought in completely the wrong direction
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TommyGun85 posted:The Rocinante Plaque: It says 'legitimate salvage' on it which is the dumbest concept ever. This would be the equivalent of a bunch of fisherman salvaging an American nuclear submarine and the government saying 'ya sure I guess its yours now'. It was stupid in the books, stupid in S4 (even worse how they shoehorned buying it back) and its stupid now to make a plaque of it. I mean, if that bunch of fishermen then went and helped to save Earth using that submarine. And then went on to help save Mars (ok, I'm stretching this analogy). And even after that, Mars did try to seize it - it was part of the reason they wanted to arrest Holden so bad. But then Holden and his crew helped to save the solar system... They've also helped save the most powerful single person in the solar system personally as well. They have a lot of clout is what I'm trying to say.
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Kesper North posted:As a Seattleite, nine months of grey is fine; our summers are gorgeous even if it gets a little "All Of Summer In A Day" roundabout January-February. Only gonna get worse!
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TommyGun85 posted:a few thoughts on the ep: Agreed on Alex. Thought the Naomi rescue was good. She had sensors to detect approaching ships, and timed her EV well. Amos introducing Peaches was indeed awesome. On the Rocci salvage: it would be like an American freighter crew getting shipwrecked at a Soviet naval base, then the Soviet naval base being attacked by pirates and the freighter crew escaping on a small PT boat, the somehow using the PT boat to stop a nuclear devastation attack on the US. Then the American government is like 'sure', I guess you can keep that Soviet ship. Semi implausible, but not entirely implausible. I think back in the day of privateers in the great age of sail you were allowed to keep your prizes. The UN would want to do a thorough tech assessment of the ship for sure.
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Sab Sabbington posted:This is much better put than I would have said it, and hits a point I was too frustrated to even try to engage with given a lot of the takes the past few weeks. Appreciate it. I watched every minute of the first nine episodes this season -- I've not seen the finale yet -- and I didn't play with my phone, or skip scenes, or watch it sped up, or do it intoxicated, or engage with the show (or the thread) in bad faith. At times I was frustrated and bored. Other times I enjoyed it, but not as much as previous seasons -- and I can absolutely point to reasons why I felt this way. If you can't understand how people don't like something you adore, that's a you problem. And, frankly, the group of posters who pop up to complain about people not liking the thing they like is way more exhausting that anything else in this thread.
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I think the crew sort of uses legitimate salvage as tongue in cheek, but they have to say it, because the alternative of admitting it's MCRN property and giving it back is not palatable for them. Personally I love that they made it a loving plaque, right in their front hall.
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gfarrell80 posted:Amos introducing Peaches was indeed awesome. I loved Holden's tiptoeing through that conversation. Like "Yyyyy...y.y.y.yyyyeah? Do I uhhhh need to call someone?"
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TommyGun85 posted:The Rocinante Plaque: It says 'legitimate salvage' on it which is the dumbest concept ever. This would be the equivalent of a bunch of fisherman salvaging an American nuclear submarine and the government saying 'ya sure I guess its yours now'. It was stupid in the books, stupid in S4 (even worse how they shoehorned buying it back) and its stupid now to make a plaque of it. That plaque has been there ever since the third season I think. Maybe it was 4. It was shown after all the poo poo died down after they got the ship and were allowed to keep and operate it.
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Naomi survival and crying scenes were stretched out way too long. I liked the rescue and felt relief but if I ever rewatch this season I'm skipping past the torture porn. I'd understand if it was just one episode but come on. I feel like the only reason the episodes kept putting her on screen was for contractual purposes. but overall I'm excited about the final season. Roci crew is back together and I'm glad peaches and bull are likely permanent party members. Bobby and Chrisjen is top tier combo too. Also is it just me or was it weird how emotional Drummer's crew was? Never saw other Belters cry so much. Mu Zeta fucked around with this message at 03:43 on Feb 3, 2021 |
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