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McCracAttack posted:What is the ranking for "bad" Nintendo consoles? There's kinda two criteria: bad for you (at the time) and bad for Nintendo as a company. 2000s Nintendo is a really weird period where I feel like you have to duct tape the GC, Wii, and Wii U together to get one good console library. Each one of them has some really great highs but also enormous deficiencies. Burning third parties for two decades really took its toll.
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Random Stranger posted:Bad Nintendo Console Rankings I will fight you on the New 3DS because using the cameras to track the user's eyes and keep the 3D in focus on the fly was the very first time that console felt like it was working properly. The Voice of Labor posted:1: nes, old rear end obsolete hardware by the time it had a NA release, looks like a vcr, controllers that caused severe arthritis in 90% of the kids who used them, loving r.o.b. lol nah wash bucket fucked around with this message at 04:20 on Feb 7, 2021 |
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Zophar posted:2000s Nintendo is a really weird period where I feel like you have to duct tape the GC, Wii, and Wii U together to get one good console library. Each one of them has some really great highs but also enormous deficiencies. Burning third parties for two decades really took its toll. Yeah, the WiiU's library is kind of a mess. Once we get the last few games ported to Switch, it's kind of lost the reason to have it hooked up besides using it as a Wii. I'm kind of curious what you'd say is deficient about the Wii or GC libraries, though.
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Feb 7, 2021 04:27
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I would unironically contend that NES hardware was p' bad, with a few exceptions the NA library wasn't that great until, like at least late '87, that nintendo basically lucked/smb'ed into console dominance
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Feb 7, 2021 04:32
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I'd say the GC library is pretty strong and a lot of it still looks and holds up pretty well today. The Wii would likely be in the same boat but all the waggle controls hurt a lot of otherwise good to great games in retrospect. The WiiU was fine but everything worth playing on it is now on the Switch bar the Zelda HD remake. The N64 did little for me when it was current and even less for me now. Anything good on it is easily available elsewhere and normally better. I think 30 year olds that grew up with it as their first console likely have a lot of rose colored glasses on with it. Much like those that had the 2600, there are some good games but it is real painful dealing with aged graphics to enjoy them now unless you have that nostalgia. Granted a lot of the 3D from that 32-bit era is REAL hard to play now at least for myself. When the Tony Hawk remasters came out I went to play the PSX versions of Tony Hawk 1 and 2 and while the game play is the same those games look rough as hell. I keep wishing that Sega would do a remake/remaster of Burning Rangers. That is one game that was so far ahead of it's time that would benefit from modern graphics and controls.
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Feb 7, 2021 04:42
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NES hardware definitely wasn’t cutting edge which is why mapper chips became so common
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Zophar posted:2000s Nintendo is a really weird period where I feel like you have to duct tape the GC, Wii, and Wii U together to get one good console library. Each one of them has some really great highs but also enormous deficiencies. Burning third parties for two decades really took its toll. For good or ill, Nintendo was trying to avoid direct competition with Sony and Microsoft whenever possible because they had deeper pockets. Their plan was to make consoles so unique that the games couldn't be easily ported to competing systems. The DS and Wii are the prime example of this. Not saying it was a good plan, but according to interviews that was the plan. Edit: Also, the Wii U pushed hard on third party games out of the gate. Mass Effect 3 was on Wii U at launch. Hilarious in retrospect. wash bucket fucked around with this message at 05:00 on Feb 7, 2021 |
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Feb 7, 2021 04:44
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It’s weird to think that when both were announced, the DS was seen as a joke and the PSP was predicted to be the future of handheld gaming. Not that the PSP did poorly but the DS ended up being an absolutely massive success
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Feb 7, 2021 04:47
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McCracAttack posted:I will fight you on the New 3DS because using the cameras to track the user's eyes and keep the 3D in focus on the fly was the very first time that console felt like it was working properly. I was ranking solely on games. I keep meaning to pick up a New 3DS to replace my launch day 3DS, but the games that require it are not worth it.
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Pablo Nergigante posted:It’s weird to think that when both were announced, the DS was seen as a joke and the PSP was predicted to be the future of handheld gaming. Not that the PSP did poorly but the DS ended up being an absolutely massive success I guess that proves Nintendo's "games you can't play anywhere else" strategy worked. Most of the PSP games where just PS2/PS3 games again but trimmed down a bit. So if you had the choice you'd probably go with a PS2 or PS3 version of God of War instead of the PSP version. But Brain Age, Nintendogs, and Pokemon were on the DS and not the GameCube or Wii.
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Pablo Nergigante posted:It’s weird to think that when both were announced, the DS was seen as a joke and the PSP was predicted to be the future of handheld gaming. Not that the PSP did poorly but the DS ended up being an absolutely massive success To be fair, the launch library was, uh, dire. Definitely improved over time, though. It was months before we got Trace Memory, that weird Kirby game, or Meteos. And even longer for Nintendogs and Brain Age. Asphalt Urban GT (Ubisoft - racing.) Feel the Magic: XY/XX (Sonic Team/Sega - 'girlfriend simulator'.) Madden NFL 2005 (Electronic Arts - American football.) Mr. Driller: Drill Spirits (Namco - puzzle.) Ping Pals (THQ - instant messenging.) Rayman DS (Ubisoft - platform.) Ridge Racer DS (Namco - racing.) Spider-Man 2 (Activision - action.) Super Mario 64 DS (Nintendo, action/platform.) Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2005 (Electronic Arts - sports.) The Urbz: Sims in the City (Electronic Arts - strategy.) And before you say the same thing about my beloved GameCube, Luigi's Mansion is a masterpiece.
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Echophonic posted:Yeah, the WiiU's library is kind of a mess. Once we get the last few games ported to Switch, it's kind of lost the reason to have it hooked up besides using it as a Wii. I'm kind of curious what you'd say is deficient about the Wii or GC libraries, though. My recollection is that the Wii completely missed out on what the rest of the industry was doing on the PS3/360 and instead got a lot of stripped down spin-offs that rarely rose above the shovelware flotsam. On Gamecube things were better but it still feels like there was a lot less going on there even in contrast with the Xbox and especially against the PS2. Both are held up by the strength of Nintendo's first party stuff and I don't think it's all that controversial to say the GC was one of their weaker eras. My GC recollection might also be colored by how much *more* there was to do on PS2, in virtually every genre.
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is wii gc backwards compatibility, like, 100% 1-1 hardware or is there software emulation and stuff too?
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The Voice of Labor posted:is wii gc backwards compatibility, like, 100% 1-1 hardware or is there software emulation and stuff too? The white wiis are hardware. The other ones aren't compatible at all.
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The Voice of Labor posted:is wii gc backwards compatibility, like, 100% 1-1 hardware or is there software emulation and stuff too? Wii's is 100% hardware if you have one with GC ports. If you don't, I think you're stuck with Nintendon't and can't do the GBA-connected games, for obvious reasons. Nintendon't is also how you do it on the WiiU. Pretty sure Nintendon't is hardware, not 100%, though. I figure if it works on the vWii on the WiiU, it'll work on a Wii Mini. If you have one laying around and don't have a GC, a softmodded WiiU with a USB adapter is a pretty good way to play GameCube games with native HDMI out and real controllers. Have to use virtual memory cards, though. Zophar posted:My recollection is that the Wii completely missed out on what the rest of the industry was doing on the PS3/360 and instead got a lot of stripped down spin-offs that rarely rose above the shovelware flotsam. Yeah, I don't particularly disagree, much as I like all three of those consoles. Echophonic fucked around with this message at 05:16 on Feb 7, 2021 |
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Feb 7, 2021 05:10
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Zophar posted:My recollection is that the Wii completely missed out on what the rest of the industry was doing on the PS3/360 and instead got a lot of stripped down spin-offs that rarely rose above the shovelware flotsam. The Wii was hurt by the fact that it wasn’t HD. The 360 and to a lesser extent the PS3 titles couldn’t be ported over well at all due to assets. You saw some third parties port over PS2 titles but that did even worse due to how dated PS2 stuff looked compared to the Wii native titles. Third parties on the Wii hosed themselves really since early on a lot of what they released was awful shovelwave ports which were made to look even worse by what Nintendo was releasing. By the time third parties realized how much of a monster success the Wii was and started to make real native games for it the well was poisoned. There is some great third party titles for it, Sega for example made several, but it was too little and too late. For a lot of people it became the Wii Sports/Mario Kart machine. The GameCube was actually great, most multiplatform titles were the best on the GC. It just was overshadowed by the massive PS2 install base like everyone was. Of that generation I’d say the GC library is the one that holds up the best with both first party and third party software.
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The best thing on the Wii was the Quake port with wiimote aiming
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Gamecube has Super Monkey Ball 2 so it could truly never be the worst Nintendo system
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People complain about waggle, but I remember the moment that Skyward Sword clicked for me. Like, yeah, gently caress the Imprisoned and everything, but god drat was that game good once you got it. I mean, I also think I gave myself tennis elbow one time from Boom Blox, so maybe waggle is a land of contrasts. Echophonic fucked around with this message at 05:24 on Feb 7, 2021 |
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Echophonic posted:Skyward Sword , but god drat was that game good once you got it. LMAO
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Skyward Sword would be good if they removed everything that existed between dungeons
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Echophonic posted:People complain about waggle, but I remember the moment that Skyward Sword clicked for me. Like, yeah, gently caress the Imprisoned and everything, but god drat was that game good once you got it. Skyward Sword is my favorite of the 3D Zeldas. Fight me.
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Feb 7, 2021 05:30
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I still have never played Skyward Sword.
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hatty posted:Skyward Sword would be good if they removed everything that existed between dungeons The truest statement about SS.
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The only thing I remember about Skyward sword was how condescending the tutorials were.
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I think Twilight Princess has a lot of the same problems as Skyward Sword. The dungeons and items are above average, but the stuff between has pacing problems. Twilight Princess's later dungeons blow anything SS has out of the water. I like SS's cast a lot better, though. More colorful and fun, even if Fi never shuts the gently caress up. It also does not feature Ooccoo and all the misshapen children. You know what? I think I suppressed the whole Fi thing. I may have to walk back my overall praise of SS some. Echophonic fucked around with this message at 05:49 on Feb 7, 2021 |
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Waltzing Along posted:What in the absolute gently caress? Did they forget to add a zero to those prices? nah fam they're in the junk pile, because NTSC-U carts don't work on Japanese systems so they're clearly junk!!!!  no clue where that specific Hard/Book-Off is, but it could as well be inside Tokyo from somebody who brought those over (and then had a wife throw them out lol). There are some Book-Offs/used shops in general that tend to have more English/foreign language stuff depending on what the balance of locals is.
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The Voice of Labor posted:1: nes, old rear end obsolete hardware by the time it had a NA release, looks like a vcr, controllers that caused severe arthritis in 90% of the kids who used them, loving r.o.b. Wow I guess I'm still logged in to the GameFAQs message boards
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harperdc posted:nah fam they're in the junk pile, because NTSC-U carts don't work on Japanese systems so they're clearly junk!!!! When I was living in Tokyo in the late 90s you'd find random US NES/SNES/Genesis stuff in weird places that there should be no reason why it should be there. For example I was in a little shop in a town outside of Sapporo that had stuff made in the 60s still for sale and somehow had new, sealed NES Black Box games, a couple random new, sealed SNES titles for example Bubsy was one and some Genesis titles. Maybe a dozen games, no other video games in the store. Any time I saw US stuff in Japan outside of like Akihabara was a situation like that. US Playstation stuff was pretty easy to find if you knew where to look as was N64. I know around Okinawa you can find a lot of US stuff due to the US military presence. A friend of mine went to visit a little over a year ago before COVID and found a bunch of random new Famicom and SuFami games for sale in a shop he randomly stopped at. Nothing particularly interesting game wise, but he bought them for the thrill of buying new Famicom and SuFami games in 2019.
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Djarum posted:When I was living in Tokyo in the late 90s you'd find random US NES/SNES/Genesis stuff in weird places that there should be no reason why it should be there. For example I was in a little shop in a town outside of Sapporo that had stuff made in the 60s still for sale and somehow had new, sealed NES Black Box games, a couple random new, sealed SNES titles for example Bubsy was one and some Genesis titles. Maybe a dozen games, no other video games in the store. Any time I saw US stuff in Japan outside of like Akihabara was a situation like that. US Playstation stuff was pretty easy to find if you knew where to look as was N64. I know around Okinawa you can find a lot of US stuff due to the US military presence. I saw a used U.S. copy of Battletoads in a random recycle shop in suburban Nagasaki prefecture for over $100, I've been here for a while and seen some silly things. might try to go by the local shopping street of Off shops but, you know, pandemic.
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Does the walkthrough in that issue ever mention Raiden? Because I remember reading an unofficial guide of some kind that was an actual guide but every screenshot was in FPS mode and was incredibly vague about actually details that wasn’t direct instructions. Looking at that cover sparked a memory for me I think
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Djarum posted:I still have never played Skyward Sword. Same here. Even bought a motion plus wiimote just to play it. Never got around to it . Son of a Vondruke! fucked around with this message at 14:31 on Feb 7, 2021 |
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Feb 7, 2021 12:05
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Looking up Skyward Sword gameplay, because I realized I've never even seen what it looks like. I probably should get around to playing Windwaker and Twilight Princess before giving Skyward a shot though.
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Feb 7, 2021 12:11
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Zophar posted:My recollection is that the Wii completely missed out on what the rest of the industry was doing on the PS3/360 I'd rather play a bad Zelda than a good GRAW of Duty
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harperdc posted:I saw a used U.S. copy of Battletoads in a random recycle shop in suburban Nagasaki prefecture for over $100, I've been here for a while and seen some silly things. Wait I also live in suburban Nagasaki hey there
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harperdc posted:I saw a used U.S. copy of Battletoads in a random recycle shop in suburban Nagasaki prefecture for over $100, I've been here for a while and seen some silly things. Famicom Battletoads is pretty rare and it sounds like they priced it based on that. Which doesn't excuse that price tag, just explains it.
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Skyward Sword isn't horrible but it's definitely my least favourite 3D Zelda. I remember feeling horribly let down when I realised the three surface areas weren't going to end up being joined together, Zelda with a hub world is some bullshit tbh. Dungeons were great, motion control stuff was great, Groose was great, but the glue between the high points was pretty unpleasant most of the time. Also the way it resets the flags that indicate if you've picked up an item of a given type before every time you boot it up, so you get to see the "you got a blue rupee!" text over and over again throughout the game. I want to believe that was an oversight, but considering how handholdy all of the other tutorial stuff was...
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The stupid stealth bits in Skyward were what broke me in the end, though the Imprisoned fights and the motion controls in general were really bad too.
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Turned on my 29 inch Trinitron for the first time in like a year with the intention of taking some photos of it to sell it. I stopped using it because it has some corner convergence issues that were bugging the poo poo out of me whenever I played something on it. I forgot how big and bright and colourful it was. Ended up playing Super Nintendo games on it for a couple of hours and now I'm questioning whether I should get rid of it. Might have a look at getting some magnetic strips to fix the convergence problem (which isn't really that severe, I just find it distracting), but I hate the idea of having to fiddle around with the inside of the TV while it's turned on.
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I'll always be partial to Skyward Sword because it has my favorite art direction in any 3D Zelda (probably followed by Wind Waker then BotW). Its particular mix of impressionism, color palette, character/object design, and lighting feel so unique and evocative.
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