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King of Solomon posted:I just finished Ys 9. Very good game, as all of the Ys games are. If this is what Falcom's politics are, I never want to see them talk about politics again. Haven't played Ys 9 yet, but Cold Steel 4 gave me some major Spineless Centrist vibes. Introducing a faction that's literally the free world banding together to fight against totalitarianism, and then the playable characters NOT joining up, because War Is Bad? Come on!
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I haven't finished it yet, but Ys IX has a significant amount of "poor people are lazy and need to learn the value of Hard Work instead of getting handouts" both explicitly a few times and also more subtly all throughout the game.
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Feb 7, 2021 05:39
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who plays a Ys game for politics I came here for two things: to slash monsters, and listen to awesome music
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Feb 7, 2021 05:43
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So in Ys 8, I think I am in Chapter 5 (where Dana joins Adols party proper ) How much is left of the game because christ it feels like it adds something else once I think it starting to wind down.
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Feb 7, 2021 06:21
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Unlucky7 posted:So in Ys 8, I think I am in Chapter 5 (where Dana joins Adols party proper ) How much is left of the game because christ it feels like it adds something else once I think it starting to wind down. I just finished Ys 8 today and you've got chapter 5 and 6 left, maybe 10-15 hours of game.
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Feb 7, 2021 06:39
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I took Jusis with me to Crossbell in Part 1 CS4 and I like how his reaction to all the Ironblood/Ouroboros people is just "you murdered Millium you pieces of poo poo what the gently caress is wrong with you." They at least allow some of the characters to be righteously angry at these dumb assholes even if said dumb assholes are obviously going to be considered good in the end.
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Feb 7, 2021 06:58
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Jusis probably shines consistently through CS4, I would say. He's got some anger in his heart and sass in his step.
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Feb 7, 2021 07:50
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Shinjobi posted:Jusis probably shines consistently through CS4, I would say. Yeah, I think he might be the only character that's the case for? Pretty much everyone else just has an attitude like "Why are you doing this?" or "I'll make you come to your senses!" or "I'll show you how far I've come!", etc. I'm pretty sure that if I took Alisa with me I would have either gotten some "I'll bring you home Sharon!" or a repeat of the "I'll show you how much I've grown up!" thing from the end of CS3. But Jusis's attitude is more of a "complete disbelief and anger at what these dumb assholes are doing."
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Feb 7, 2021 08:20
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King of Solomon posted:I just finished Ys 9. Very good game, as all of the Ys games are. If this is what Falcom's politics are, I never want to see them talk about politics again. But that's what people like about the Trails games.
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Feb 7, 2021 08:52
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If ys9 represents the politics the trails writers actually believe in, then I never want to play another falcom game again.
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Feb 7, 2021 10:11
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Ys9 itself is mostly just adol being adol though, which is going "hell yes, adventure!" no matter the circumstances.
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Feb 7, 2021 10:13
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Ok i'm still pretty early in Ys IX, just in chapter 4, but is there more to the game's dumb politics than White Cat's stuff in Shantytown? Because that's super bad and I've pretty much just started skipping any scenes involving it, but I was under the impression from earlier posts in this thread that that's pretty much the big thing about the game that sucks. Kinda getting the feeling from newer posts that there's way more terrible stuff than that, or is it just that White Cat's plot never improves from beginning to end?
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Feb 7, 2021 10:35
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It's mostly just white cat's plotline, don't worry about it too much. I mean, the game itself as a whole is still good.
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Feb 7, 2021 10:43
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It occasionally comes up in other places too like the sidequest when you have to rescue the leader of the Gallian resistance from prison and Yufa attacks her for making things worse because people just want to live their lives peacefully under oppression. It's not huge thing, there's just this annoying undercurrent whenever it thinks its saying something vaguely meaningful. The shanty town White Cat stuff is pretty loving bad though.
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Feb 7, 2021 10:51
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Junpei posted:who plays a Ys game for politics
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Feb 7, 2021 10:53
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It just has this overall worldview that society is the way it is for good reason, and that any attempts to make things better for people are fundamentally bad. It's not always as blatant about it as the White Cat thing, but it's a constant low-level undercurrent. They also pretty regularly refer back to the White Cat thing as a joke, like it's a huge embarrassment for her that she tried to help the poor, and they tease her about it. Clarste fucked around with this message at 10:56 on Feb 7, 2021 |
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Feb 7, 2021 10:53
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Yeah, it's not a blatant constant in-your-face thing, but it's jarring enough to make me stop and question how they portray that sort of thing in general.
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Feb 7, 2021 10:56
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Junpei posted:who plays a Ys game for politics This is a lovely dismissal of bad writing.
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Feb 7, 2021 11:00
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kirbysuperstar posted:This is a lovely dismissal of bad writing. Yeah, it's great that you're having fun with the game, but don't just dismiss this poo poo.
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Feb 7, 2021 11:06
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Sakurazuka posted:It occasionally comes up in other places too like the sidequest when you have to rescue the leader of the Gallian resistance from prison and Yufa attacks her for making things worse because people just want to live their lives peacefully under oppression. It's not huge thing, there's just this annoying undercurrent whenever it thinks its saying something vaguely meaningful. Yeah, the vibe I was getting is that when it tries to be nuanced it doesn't actually have much to say so it just ends up both-sidesing the situation. Like, going "truly the poor are also to blame" or "the prison is actually pretty alright and only a little corrupt".
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Feb 7, 2021 11:07
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kirbysuperstar posted:This is a lovely dismissal of bad writing. It's been true of every Ys game I've played. 9 isn't special in that regard. I didn't play Ys 1&2 for their plot. I didn't play Oath in Felghana for it's plot. I didn't play Memories of Celceta for it's plot. I didn't play Ark of Napishtim for it's plot. I didn't play Seven for it's plot. And I didn't play Lacrimosa of Dana for it's plot.
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Feb 7, 2021 14:46
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King of Solomon posted:I just finished Ys 9. Very good game, as all of the Ys games are. If this is what Falcom's politics are, I never want to see them talk about politics again. Ys: Adol Shrugged
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Feb 7, 2021 15:02
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tbf it's not all that surprising that the child of the dominant capitalist in the walled city state built around a prison is a "the poors will just get drunk and gamble if you give them money" kind of person.
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Feb 7, 2021 15:06
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Junpei posted:It's been true of every Ys game I've played. 9 isn't special in that regard.
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Feb 7, 2021 15:10
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Sakurazuka posted:It occasionally comes up in other places too like the sidequest when you have to rescue the leader of the Gallian resistance from prison and Yufa attacks her for making things worse because people just want to live their lives peacefully under oppression. I'm gonna play devil's advocate here and say that I probably wouldn't want to start a hopeless revolution against the Ys-universe equivalent of the Roman Empire - an empire known for putting those down quite brutally. The political ideals of such a movement would not justify the inevitable amount of death and destruction it would lead to.
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Feb 7, 2021 15:22
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Clarste posted:It just has this overall worldview that society is the way it is for good reason, and that any attempts to make things better for people are fundamentally bad. It's not always as blatant about it as the White Cat thing, but it's a constant low-level undercurrent. Persona 5 had this problem too. It's a game ostensibly about playing as marginalized people and rebelling against a corrupt system, but then it turns out that actually society is hunky dory and it's only this small handful of people who are bad, and once you change their hearts we can go back to the totally good enough status quo. Maybe it's a JRPG thing. Amppelix posted:Do you not understand how responding to people complaining about awful politics in the writing with "who even cares about that lol" comes off Also this.
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Feb 7, 2021 16:10
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It would be fine as a singular observation but constant undercurrent of 'anyone who tries to change things in any way is in the wrong' rankles, especially since the game has a habit of not only making them wrong but also someone out to be the bad guy. Poor people given help become lazy and ungrateful, the freedom fighters turn into nothing but petty thieves when left leaderless, the guy who the Pendleton corporation abandoned the second the wind was blowing towards Romun was actually making substandard material and refused to change etc.
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Sakurazuka posted:It would be fine as a singular observation but constant undercurrent of 'anyone who tries to change things in any way is in the wrong' rankles, especially since the game has a habit of not only making them wrong but also someone out to be the bad guy. Poor people given help become lazy and ungrateful, the freedom fighters turn into nothing but petty thieves when left leaderless, the guy who the Pendleton corporation abandoned the second the wind was blowing towards Romun was actually making substandard material and refused to change etc. I don't know what you're referring to with the freedom fighters bit (probably haven't gotten there yet), but I would hope there are better ways to help the poor than stealing from your own family's coffers and throwing the gold on the street. That doesn't address the actual problems in Shantytown, like the pollution being caused by the prison mines. Nor would I interpret two lazy drunkards taking advantage of that gold as a blanket assessment of poor people on the game's part. And it's weird how you're complaining about the game being against change, then also complaining about a guy changing his business associations to be more competitive in the market. Also, the guy tried to give everyone at the masquerade diarrhea, so screw him. I don't know. Maybe I'll change my mind about things when I finish the game. I just got Renegade in my party and I'm going to the old Nors Ruins.
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Feb 7, 2021 16:54
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so I heard ys 9 runs like poo poo on ps 4, anyone know if this is tru
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Feb 7, 2021 17:27
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Agean90 posted:so I heard ys 9 runs like poo poo on ps 4, anyone know if this is tru It does. I'm playing on a PS4 Slim and it chugs in certain places. Especially in Balduq.
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Feb 7, 2021 17:30
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Is Y's Origins the same as 1/2?
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Feb 7, 2021 17:31
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GreenBuckanneer posted:Is Y's Origins the same as 1/2? Nope, it's a prequel. Takes place hundreds of years before Ys 1.
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Feb 7, 2021 17:32
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Agean90 posted:so I heard ys 9 runs like poo poo on ps 4, anyone know if this is tru I wouldn't say it *chugs* but it definitely has some slowdown in both the city overworld and a couple fairly important dungeons. Runs worse than 8 across the board, for sure.
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Feb 7, 2021 17:38
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I can see why Falcom decided they needed a new engine, they got rid of a lot of the loading barriers in Ys 9 to have more big open spaces and that was the result. That said it plays okay on my Pro, technical issues are more lots of pop in and frame pacing, not the actual frame rate.
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Agean90 posted:so I heard ys 9 runs like poo poo on ps 4, anyone know if this is tru Said it earlier, It's played like a dream so far for 7 hours. About the "Politics" Only finished chapter 2 cuz its too cold to sit at my PS4, but Ehhhhh, personally, I think it was more about "Drunk bastards are too far gone and Kids are too impressionable" rather than "helping the poor is bad. And tbf raining money is an awful idea no matter what. The flower shop was a much better idea, but why not hire people to clean up and paint.
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Feb 7, 2021 19:01
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MythosDragon posted:Said it earlier, It's played like a dream so far for 7 hours. The nicest thing I can say about the politics is that the White Cat stuff comes off very poorly and, as for later stuff, well. At least they're not pro empire? (endgame)There are multiple instances where the party takes action against freedom fighters, and one of the main villains is doing his very bad things with the attempt to have a free Gllia. The fact that you don't ever really meaningfully oppose empire yourself makes this come off extremely poorly. It's spineless liberalism at best. King of Solomon fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Feb 7, 2021 |
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Feb 7, 2021 19:02
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I get some strange hitching in Ys IX around Balduq but the cutscenes with Aprilis preceding the Grimwald encounters run VERY poorly. Like something out of the PS2. It's bizarre.
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Feb 7, 2021 19:05
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Actually forget it
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Feb 7, 2021 19:15
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yeah this is sounding like one of those self-reliance bromides that might have passed muster in the nineties or something but come off as more of a punchline today
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SyntheticPolygon posted:But that's what people like about the Trails games. Let's be clear here: having stories and characters that care about politics is cool and good. The specific political attitudes conveyed by the writing in the Trails games are pathetic, so no surprise at all that Ys has similar issues.
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