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what are considered to be the best Phillip K Dick stories that have not been adapted to film?
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Jan 24, 2021 18:12
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Most of his stories have huge liberties taken when they're adapted so honestly there are very few movies that I'd consider a faithful adaptation. We Can Remember It For You Wholesale is a short story that is really very different from Total Recall, its nominal adaptation. It's worth reading for its ending, which is one of the all time great endings that seems simultaneously the only possible ending and yet one you didn't see coming. Minority Report is different from its movie, in the movie there isn't even a minority report which is the entire crux of the short story and plays around with the notion of predestination much more than the film. And there's almost zero in common between Blade Runner and Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep. The first two are short stories and I'd generally recommend picking up a short story collection and going through them. That's his strongest format imo. Other than that, Flow My Tears (novel) and Second Variety (novelette, might be found standalone in a thin volume or in a bigger compilation)
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Jan 24, 2021 19:38
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Can anyone recommend some sci fi similar to Shadow of the Torturer or Hyperion? I really enjoy the how the writing is just dense with metaphor, allusion and symbolism.
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Jan 24, 2021 21:37
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regulargonzalez posted:Most of his stories have huge liberties taken when they're adapted so honestly there are very few movies that I'd consider a faithful adaptation. We Can Remember It For You Wholesale is a short story that is really very different from Total Recall, its nominal adaptation. It's worth reading for its ending, which is one of the all time great endings that seems simultaneously the only possible ending and yet one you didn't see coming. Minority Report is different from its movie, in the movie there isn't even a minority report which is the entire crux of the short story and plays around with the notion of predestination much more than the film. And there's almost zero in common between Blade Runner and Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep. There's actually a Second Variety movie that's both true the story and not terrible, but you're right about them generally taking a small part of a story and going off in a different direction (see also: Knowing/The Golden Man) or just being terrible (Paycheck). Of course, many of them are so short that you'd have take liberties to get a full movie out of them; Service Call is right up there with We Can Remember... in that regard. That said, a few favorites that I don't believe have been adapted: The Variable Man, The Skull, The Electric Ant, The Days of Perky Pat (kind of an early draft of Palmer Eldritch), Faith of Our Fathers, The Father Thing, Colony, Shell Game (which became Clans of the Alphane Moon) and The Defenders (a better, shorter version of The Penultimate Truth). evilpicard posted:Can anyone recommend some sci fi similar to Shadow of the Torturer or Hyperion? I really enjoy the how the writing is just dense with metaphor, allusion and symbolism. I hated/didn't finish it, but Delany's Dahlgren seems to be one of the go-to answers. If you haven't read Wolfe's The Urth of the New Sun and the Long Sun books, they rule, but I didn't like Blue and Green that came after.
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Jan 24, 2021 22:24
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I'll second the Gene Wolfe books and also throw in a recommendation for Kushiel's Dart and its sequels, by Jacqueline Carey. It has a pretty mixed reception here but it's very literary by genre standards.
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Jan 25, 2021 06:36
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TommyGun85 posted:what are considered to be the best Phillip K Dick stories that have not been adapted to film? Dr. Bloodmoney and Ubik off the top of my head (Flow My Tears was already mentinoed)
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Jan 25, 2021 06:42
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Whoops, I read that as short stories and really got the bit in my teeth. So, yeah, I'd agree with Flow, My Tears... and Ubik and add Eye In the Sky and The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch.
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Jan 25, 2021 07:29
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I want some weird poo poo that is just teasing the edge of being impenetrable. I just finished The Age of Wire and String by Ben Marcus and while I loved some of it, the whole of the book was just a little too much into the realm of self indulgent nonsense and got very difficult to continue. So too weird. I want that book but back it off, say, 20%.
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Jan 25, 2021 08:25
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evilpicard posted:Can anyone recommend some sci fi similar to Shadow of the Torturer or Hyperion? I really enjoy the how the writing is just dense with metaphor, allusion and symbolism. I don't really see how Hyperion meets any of those criteria but maybe you'd like RA Lafferty. sephiRoth IRA posted:I want some weird poo poo that is just teasing the edge of being impenetrable. I just finished The Age of Wire and String by Ben Marcus and while I loved some of it, the whole of the book was just a little too much into the realm of self indulgent nonsense and got very difficult to continue. So too weird. I want that book but back it off, say, 20%. Some of the French Nouveau Roman writers might appeal, maybe try one of JMG Le Clezio's earlier books like The Giants or The Book of Flights. Maybe some of Gertrude Stein's more abstract work like Tender Buttons as well.
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Jan 26, 2021 00:51
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A human heart posted:I don't really see how Hyperion meets any of those criteria but maybe you'd like RA Lafferty. Very cool, thank you
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Jan 26, 2021 01:16
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Greetings! If anyone could kindly help me out that would be greatly appreciated, looking for the following suggestions: underappreciated, under read books in the vein of Lovecraft/Rosemarys Baby/House of Leaves/Occult or Pagan/Summer of Night. Non fiction history books on 18th century Europe Books on the slave trade Feminist literature. Thank you so much and have a great weekend.
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Jan 30, 2021 01:12
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Death By The Blues posted:underappreciated, under read books in the vein of Lovecraft/Rosemarys Baby/House of Leaves/Occult or Pagan/Summer of Night.
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Jan 30, 2021 03:06
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Death By The Blues posted:Greetings! American Elsewhere was so good and it’s very Lovecraft plus dark comedy.
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Jan 30, 2021 06:11
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Death By The Blues posted:Feminist literature. Lust by Elfriede Jelinek is worth checking out. She has a very unique style and her Nobel was well deserved. I do have to warn you that themes and descriptions in the book are what some would call strong, so beware of that.
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Jan 30, 2021 08:13
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Death By The Blues posted:Greetings! Seconding the Night Land recommendation but also try Ballad of Black Tom by Victor Lavalle and Winter Tide by Ruthanna Emrys. Also Algernon Blackwood's "The Wendigo."
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Jan 30, 2021 16:56
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Death By The Blues posted:underappreciated, under read books in the vein of Lovecraft/Rosemarys Baby/House of Leaves/Occult or Pagan/Summer of Night. The Three Impostors by Arthur Machen.
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Jan 30, 2021 20:41
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Death By The Blues posted:Greetings! Mason & Dixon might cover all these bases.
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Feb 5, 2021 17:17
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This is a reaaaally open ended question, so sorry in advance. What are some books that's obviosuly better to have a physical rather than a digital copy of? Stuff like House of Leaves, S, The raw shark texts, Dictionary of the Khazars, Rayuela, the unfortunates, anything version of a boook with maps (history of the peloponnesian war for example), flatland, stuff where illustrations are part of the appeal like le petit prince or Princess Bride. But you know, stuff you'd read, and not "coffee table" books such as collections of photograpy, 1001 movies to watch before you die, they Voynich manuscript or stuff like that. Anything goes, basically I want books worth buying a copy of because of the nature of the text, and not because it's a really nice hard cover edition.
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Feb 10, 2021 05:05
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Mr. Nemo posted:This is a reaaaally open ended question, so sorry in advance. Serious answer: all of them Dumb, stupid answer: Die unendliche Geschichte / The Neverending Story used different-coloured print for the "real" world and the faery-tale world. I can't remember if it was any good though because it's a kids' book and I read it as a kid - and I guess you can do colours with e-books anyway IDK?
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Feb 10, 2021 05:21
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All of them OP I'm being serious, I much prefer the tactile sense of reading a book, and can remember passages I like based on the location on the page, and the page based on the shape of the paragraphs. Weird maybe but there you are. If I had a larger ereader than the kindle app on my phone perhaps I'd have a different opinion but even reading PDFs on a tablet is inferior to printing the document out.
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Feb 10, 2021 05:23
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Nick Bantock's stuff (the Griffin & Sabine books, The Egyptian Jukebox, etc.) comes to mind. The Republic of Dreams by G. Garfield Crimmins is similar -- it comes full of maps, guidebooks, letters, tickets, (imaginary) money, and other feelies. The actual story is pretty slight, but it's got endless toy value. Selachian fucked around with this message at 06:06 on Feb 10, 2021 |
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Feb 10, 2021 06:03
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Mr. Nemo posted:This is a reaaaally open ended question, so sorry in advance. Most Arno Schmidt books especially the ones where he uses text in multiple columns, although it's not like there's digital versions of those anyway.
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Feb 10, 2021 08:46
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If it needs line breaks and clear formatting, I’d rather read it in print. That means everything from long epic poems like the Illiad to short poetry forms. I also like it when history books have cool maps and pictures, another thing that doesn’t really work with Kindle. I will totally judge a history book by the pictures.
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Feb 10, 2021 10:55
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Bilirubin posted:All of them OP A e-reader is a way different experience than a screen and I much prefer it to paper for comfort and ease of use. 
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Feb 10, 2021 16:27
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I definitely prefer the feel and texture of a book overall for sure, the experience of reading different books on an e-reader can be frustratingly "samey" for all the various reasons described above. That said there's lot's of situations I prefer my e-reader and I'm glad I have it: when reading in bed so my wife can turn out the light and I don't have to stop mid-chapter, when riding on the bus (especially if there are no seats and I have to stand up), when travelling so I don't have to pack multiple books for long flights/periods of waiting, *new as of 2020* in a pandemic where the libraries are closed/difficult to access but their e-book catalogues aren't, etc
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Feb 10, 2021 16:32
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Mr. Nemo posted:This is a reaaaally open ended question, so sorry in advance. Ship of Theseus Any Choose Your Own Adventure / gamebook. I'm sure they could work, but you'd lose out on the experience of using every single finger to be able to backtrack.
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Feb 10, 2021 16:41
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Mr. Nemo posted:This is a reaaaally open ended question, so sorry in advance. Maybe Pale Fire? I find it easier to flip back and forth with a physical book. Also I've never read any annotated books on Kindle so I don't know how well that would work. So far I stick to used hard copies for anything with annotations like the annotated Pride and Prejudice Heironymous mentioned once a long time ago.
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Feb 10, 2021 17:12
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3D Megadoodoo posted:Serious answer: all of them Bilirubin posted:All of them OP Sure, give me your credit card and I'll get started on that. Digital books are a much cheapear alternative. Sarern posted:Maybe Pale Fire? I find it easier to flip back and forth with a physical book. Also I've never read any annotated books on Kindle so I don't know how well that would work. So far I stick to used hard copies for anything with annotations like the annotated Pride and Prejudice Heironymous mentioned once a long time ago. Yeah, Pale Fire was another one i had in mind, hadn't read it yet. I even saw a "special version" once where it came in several booklets or something. I only read one book with footnotes and it was kind of a pain I'll admit. The Jack London one about a dystopia. Thanks for the rest of the answers, I'll look into them. I really enjoy reading books that challenge what a book "is", or require the reader to do more than just read. So any other recommendations on that vein are welcome. I guess even the oppoiste could exist, a book that's only supposed to be read digitally, and couldn't exist physically. I think the "agreed upon" terms are ergodic and hypertext literature.
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Feb 10, 2021 18:12
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Mr. Nemo posted:This is a reaaaally open ended question, so sorry in advance. I'll respond with some links later, but yeah, anything where the footnotes are part of the experience (Johnathan Strange and Mr. Norrell) and anything illustrated (Howard Pyle, the Charles Vess edition of Gaimans' _Stardust _).
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Feb 10, 2021 18:20
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Mr. Nemo posted:Sure, give me your credit card and I'll get started on that. Digital books are a much cheapear alternative. I have books, not credit 
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Feb 10, 2021 18:20
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Mr. Nemo posted:Sure, give me your credit card and I'll get started on that. Digital books are a much cheapear alternative. Not always. I've found Kindle books are equal to the cost of a physical book for newer titles, but it might be genre specific. And I love wandering through used book stores and they tend to be cheaper.
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Feb 10, 2021 21:36
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Mr. Nemo posted:I really enjoy reading books that challenge what a book "is", or require the reader to do more than just read. So any other recommendations on that vein are welcome. I guess even the oppoiste could exist, a book that's only supposed to be read digitally, and couldn't exist physically. I think the "agreed upon" terms are ergodic and hypertext literature. Let me tell you about Homestuck
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Feb 10, 2021 21:37
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Bilirubin posted:Not always. I've found Kindle books are equal to the cost of a physical book for newer titles, but it might be genre specific. And I love wandering through used book stores and they tend to be cheaper. Between HPB.com and BetterWorldBooks, you can almost always find a more affordable physical copy than a digital copy. They usually have free or affordable shipping, and it'll support a local bookstore or donate a book in your name. And if you're getting cluttered from books, look up and see if there's a Little Free Library near by where you can drop off books you're not going to read anymore. Another book that's better as a physical copy than digital is Barth's Lost in the Funhouse.
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Feb 10, 2021 21:54
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Bilirubin posted:Not always. I've found Kindle books are equal to the cost of a physical book for newer titles, but it might be genre specific. And I love wandering through used book stores and they tend to be cheaper. Ebooks are actually free if you use this one weird trick big publisher doesn't want you to know
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Feb 11, 2021 06:19
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So is every other product. Requires more skill and effort for larger items though.
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Feb 11, 2021 08:49
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In the mood for some literary sci-if short fiction, but written within the last five to ten years. Just want something modern this time. Stuff in the vein of Ursula K Leguin, Octavia Butler, Colson Whitehead.
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Feb 11, 2021 13:00
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FWIW I find the way Kindles handle footnotes/annotations to be far better than physical books. I read Count of Monte Cristo last year and it was great. If the note is short enough it just pops up on the page you're reading when you click on it, otherwise it takes you to the note at the end, but as soon as you hit the X it brings you back to your page. IMO if a book "must" be read as dead trees it isn't worth reading.
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Feb 11, 2021 13:02
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Conrad_Birdie posted:In the mood for some literary sci-if short fiction, but written within the last five to ten years. Just want something modern this time. Stuff in the vein of Ursula K Leguin, Octavia Butler, Colson Whitehead. Have you read both of Ted Chiang's short story collections? Stories of Your Life and Others and Exhalation Franchescanado fucked around with this message at 13:53 on Feb 11, 2021 |
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Feb 11, 2021 13:14
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Conrad_Birdie posted:In the mood for some literary sci-if short fiction, but written within the last five to ten years. Just want something modern this time. Stuff in the vein of Ursula K Leguin, Octavia Butler, Colson Whitehead.
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Feb 11, 2021 13:48
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Conrad_Birdie posted:In the mood for some literary sci-if short fiction, but written within the last five to ten years. Just want something modern this time. Stuff in the vein of Ursula K Leguin, Octavia Butler, Colson Whitehead. David Marusek's Getting to Know You
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Feb 11, 2021 14:42
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