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SkyeAuroline
Nov 12, 2020

actionjackson posted:

from their website



I cannot imagine having enough money to waste and loving pool enough to buy this and put it in your own home, but not having the space for an actual pool table.

... wonder if they'd sell well.

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actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

SkyeAuroline posted:

I cannot imagine having enough money to waste and loving pool enough to buy this and put it in your own home, but not having the space for an actual pool table.

... wonder if they'd sell well.

I think it's a pretty awesome concept if you like having a small space, but also really like pool

Facebook Aunt
Oct 4, 2008

wiggle wiggle




SkyeAuroline posted:

I cannot imagine having enough money to waste and loving pool enough to buy this and put it in your own home, but not having the space for an actual pool table.

... wonder if they'd sell well.

Probably really handy on a yacht where indoor space is at a premium. #richpeopleproblems

Queen Victorian
Feb 21, 2018

actionjackson posted:

Is "big" like 12x15?

DWR does have a few 9x12 and 12x15 rugs that are 10k+, but even their Maharam ones don't get that high. Roche Bobois rugs top out around 9700. I know that's not Persian, but that's my only reference point.

In the ballpark of 9x12. Our living room and dining room are both around 13x16, so perfect for a single large rug but too small for 2+ smaller rugs.

I managed to dig up some pics of rugs that we looked at a couple years ago when we were pending on our house. We were visiting my parents in CA for Christmas and went to a Nordstrom Home store that was closing and liquidating its inventory hoping for some deals.

Mostly picked over but they still had a ton of rugs:



These were two we liked, especially the blue one. I absolutely loved the blue one (which was Pakistani). Sale price on it was $24,095 though so lol. Rug department guy seemed keen on just getting the rugs sold so we probably could have haggled it down a few grand, but that wouldn’t have helped us be able to afford it, especially at the precise time when we were funneling all our spare cash into the down payment and wedding poo poo and I was still at my old job which was severely underpaying me.

These were brand new, but they don’t really get much cheaper with age. I don’t have any preference for new vs antique because they’ve come off the same looms for hundreds of years. I just care about authenticity - I want a quality rug and to support an age-old cottage industry (and not succumb to the temptation to buy a cheap lovely Chinese counterfeit that’s an order of magnitude more affordable).

I think I need to just seek out a good rug dealer (preferably from the middle east with contacts and sources in the old country) and immediately buy some smaller stuff to show I’m serious and work towards finding some good big rugs. My friend did this with an antiques dealer - just walked in and bought some nice end tables and then asked about some bigger MCM pieces he was after and pretty much got right of first refusal on new acquisitions and soon got the pieces he wanted.

As for those modern rugs on DWR, drat they are nice! If I had a modern setup I’d be all over them. I actually tried to imagine a good spot for one of those rugs in my house, but it doesn’t quite work. I think I need the patterns and color in the oriental rugs. For the most part I want to go whole hog Victorian, but with some adjustments. Victorian interior design made gratuitous use of colors and patterns and textures to the point of being suffocating, so I want to tone it down (like with some solid color walls, maybe some minimalist modern art, more subtle upholstery, etc), but I don’t think the rug is a good choice for minimalizing - it’s too important as a visual anchor in achieving the overall Victorian vibe, and it’s a flat rug on the floor, so you can get a ton of visual interest and texture without adding more furniture and tchotchkes and poo poo.

What I find interesting about modern styles of rugs is the crazy difference between high design pieces and mass market crap despite extremely simple patterns and colors. High design stuff comes out looking subtle and sophisticated, while mass market stuff using similar colors and thematic elements just looks severe and/or garish. Can’t tell if the manufacturers don’t care about design subtleties or if they DO care and it’s the garish basic designs that the mass market actually wants over the subdued exquisiteness of the high design. We learned a lot about the “good design”/“populuxe” dichotomy in design school - how there’s often a disconnect between the designs that designers think are good and the designs that the people think are good. Like mid century, designers were really into minimalism but the populace was really into over-the-top space age curves and chrome and poo poo.

And an unrelated rug side story: a couple summers ago I was on vacation up north and went to a farmers’ market where a local alpaca farm had a stand. They were selling doormat-sized alpaca wool rugs and I bought one. While paying for it I remarked that it will be perfect in the winter for putting my feet on when I got out of bed and the guy was like, “Wait you actually want to use it as a rug?? FINALLY! Everyone who buys these wants to mount it on their wall like it’s a piece of art :(.” So I felt extra :3: about buying it to be fuzzy thing for my feet.

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

thanks for that info - yeah I don't know anything about the Victorian style, but I can see how the rugs you mentioned would draw a ton of attention due to their colors and patterns. So any rug of that style is going to be a definite focal point in the room.

The rug I'm getting is going to be a focal point as well, it's a three stripe rug, and it actually really stands out, which is uncommon for modern rugs. But I'm coordinating my living room around it.

https://www.bludot.com/right-on-rugs.html

The actual rug is darker than in the pic - they use very bright lighting when doing staging pics.

Hutla
Jun 5, 2004

It's mechanical

Queen Victorian posted:

I think I need to just seek out a good rug dealer (preferably from the middle east with contacts and sources in the old country) and immediately buy some smaller stuff to show I’m serious and work towards finding some good big rugs. My friend did this with an antiques dealer - just walked in and bought some nice end tables and then asked about some bigger MCM pieces he was after and pretty much got right of first refusal on new acquisitions and soon got the pieces he wanted.


According to my friend whose parents used to be rug dealers, you'll probably have to find the nearest city with either a good sized Armenian or Pakistani enclave. In Chicago, the Armenian dealers have a pretty good grip on the rug trade- I go by at least 3 different shops in my 15 minute commute to work. They're pretty chill- one of them let an operetta I was in borrow a gigantic $15k rug as set dressing. The day they moved it in, everyone was called to the stage and threatened with more than any of their lives were worth it anything happened to the rug.

Vintersorg
Mar 3, 2004

President of
the Brendan Fraser
Fan Club



Any suggestions for painting a tray ceiling or not? I am leaning towards a lightish/medium blue for our accent wall with the TV on it and there's a tray ceiling above. Should I match the colour? Do something complimentary? Leave it alone? I am weirdly so nervous about it. :lol: And I know I can just repaint it but a ceiling is a PITA.

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

painting a ceiling sounds terrible, do you have any pics of it right now?

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007


it's obviously a lot of money still but it's kind of wild this place is only $5.6 million

it's even got a metro north stop in town

Badger of Basra fucked around with this message at 02:11 on Feb 12, 2021

Vintersorg
Mar 3, 2004

President of
the Brendan Fraser
Fan Club



actionjackson posted:

painting a ceiling sounds terrible, do you have any pics of it right now?

Still being built and i'll get a better picture this weekend of the entire wall but here is the area:



On the right will be tv wall that I want blue and obv above is the tray.

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

I think you really need to wait until the room is done, and you have your furniture in there. Then decide on wall paint. Then after that is done, decide on the ceiling. Are you able to leave the ceiling unfinished prior to that?

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

moving onto finding a small table, looking for white, 32-36", pedestal style. I love Saarinen but not THIS much.

the left is just white laminate, and the right is white MDF

the "standard" Saarinen table has a marble top

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Kaiser Schnitzel
Mar 29, 2006

Schnitzel mit uns


Queen Victorian posted:

In the ballpark of 9x12. Our living room and dining room are both around 13x16, so perfect for a single large rug but too small for 2+ smaller rugs.

I managed to dig up some pics of rugs that we looked at a couple years ago when we were pending on our house. We were visiting my parents in CA for Christmas and went to a Nordstrom Home store that was closing and liquidating its inventory hoping for some deals.

Mostly picked over but they still had a ton of rugs:



These were two we liked, especially the blue one. I absolutely loved the blue one (which was Pakistani). Sale price on it was $24,095 though so lol. Rug department guy seemed keen on just getting the rugs sold so we probably could have haggled it down a few grand, but that wouldn’t have helped us be able to afford it, especially at the precise time when we were funneling all our spare cash into the down payment and wedding poo poo and I was still at my old job which was severely underpaying me.

These were brand new, but they don’t really get much cheaper with age. I don’t have any preference for new vs antique because they’ve come off the same looms for hundreds of years. I just care about authenticity - I want a quality rug and to support an age-old cottage industry (and not succumb to the temptation to buy a cheap lovely Chinese counterfeit that’s an order of magnitude more affordable).

I think I need to just seek out a good rug dealer (preferably from the middle east with contacts and sources in the old country) and immediately buy some smaller stuff to show I’m serious and work towards finding some good big rugs. My friend did this with an antiques dealer - just walked in and bought some nice end tables and then asked about some bigger MCM pieces he was after and pretty much got right of first refusal on new acquisitions and soon got the pieces he wanted.

As for those modern rugs on DWR, drat they are nice! If I had a modern setup I’d be all over them. I actually tried to imagine a good spot for one of those rugs in my house, but it doesn’t quite work. I think I need the patterns and color in the oriental rugs. For the most part I want to go whole hog Victorian, but with some adjustments. Victorian interior design made gratuitous use of colors and patterns and textures to the point of being suffocating, so I want to tone it down (like with some solid color walls, maybe some minimalist modern art, more subtle upholstery, etc), but I don’t think the rug is a good choice for minimalizing - it’s too important as a visual anchor in achieving the overall Victorian vibe, and it’s a flat rug on the floor, so you can get a ton of visual interest and texture without adding more furniture and tchotchkes and poo poo.

What I find interesting about modern styles of rugs is the crazy difference between high design pieces and mass market crap despite extremely simple patterns and colors. High design stuff comes out looking subtle and sophisticated, while mass market stuff using similar colors and thematic elements just looks severe and/or garish. Can’t tell if the manufacturers don’t care about design subtleties or if they DO care and it’s the garish basic designs that the mass market actually wants over the subdued exquisiteness of the high design. We learned a lot about the “good design”/“populuxe” dichotomy in design school - how there’s often a disconnect between the designs that designers think are good and the designs that the people think are good. Like mid century, designers were really into minimalism but the populace was really into over-the-top space age curves and chrome and poo poo.

And an unrelated rug side story: a couple summers ago I was on vacation up north and went to a farmers’ market where a local alpaca farm had a stand. They were selling doormat-sized alpaca wool rugs and I bought one. While paying for it I remarked that it will be perfect in the winter for putting my feet on when I got out of bed and the guy was like, “Wait you actually want to use it as a rug?? FINALLY! Everyone who buys these wants to mount it on their wall like it’s a piece of art :(.” So I felt extra :3: about buying it to be fuzzy thing for my feet.

I'm a maybe late to rugchat but I've had good luck with https://www.ecarpetgallery.com/us_en/. They usually have free shipping. If you're in Canada I think you can even get real iranian/persian ones. There was a brief time a few years ago when we were less mad at Iran and you could get them in the US too. They are all new rugs, but you can filter just for hand knotted ones-higher knot counts usually means a better rug. Several of mine are from Afghanistan and I'm quite happy with them. I think I also have Turkish and Russian/Caucasus rugs. My old boss was the master of buying old oriental rugs for cheap cheap cheap on ebay, but he knew a whole lot more about them and what to look for than I do. There are some good sellers there too though. I'm a big fan of the bluer ghaznis and also kilims, which are woven and then embroidered rather than knotted. Usually a bit bolder and more patterned and I think can fit well into more contemporary spaces, and they don't trap stuff like a knotted rug. Good for the kitchen.

Except for the really light colored oushaks, oriental rugs are really out of style right now and it's a buyer's market. A decorator friend has a closet full of them that's she's saving for when they come back. Her clients have just given them to her to dispose of as they've replaced them with blue chevrons or whatever.

Youth Decay
Aug 18, 2015

The Zillow search term of the day is "unlike any other"

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/410-W-23rd-St-New-York-NY-10011/244882863_zpid/


https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1100-E-Deer-Creek-Dr-Jackson-WY-83001/194361056_zpid/


https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/360-Furman-St-APT-904-Brooklyn-NY-11201/89074212_zpid/



https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/17500-Haskins-Rd-Chagrin-Falls-OH-44023/34131050_zpid/



https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1268-Paintbrush-Avon-CO-81620/13500534_zpid/




https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/8400-Dunsinane-Dr-Dublin-OH-43017/33756200_zpid/ this house is so fuckin beige


I can't figure out where the original bathroom is vs the infinite mirrored bathrooms


the saddest pool


https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1622-Sunnybrook-Ln-Clearwater-FL-33764/47174223_zpid/ Usonian-style home by Joe McClung (1961)








Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT

Youth Decay posted:

I can't figure out where the original bathroom is vs the infinite mirrored bathrooms


Blowing rear end inside the tesseract.

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003


I was thinking this was a Bertoia - specifically it's the bird lounge chair, which looks very comfy and also very difficult to get out of

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004


Out here, everything hurts.




actionjackson posted:

I think you really need to wait until the room is done, and you have your furniture in there. Then decide on wall paint. Then after that is done, decide on the ceiling. Are you able to leave the ceiling unfinished prior to that?

That sounds like an absolute nightmare from a practical perspective. Shift all the furniture out repeatedly to finish the room after, and hope you can somehow paint all the walls and the ceiling without damaging your floor coverings?

Huge pain in the rear end.

Vintersorg
Mar 3, 2004

President of
the Brendan Fraser
Fan Club



actionjackson posted:

I think you really need to wait until the room is done, and you have your furniture in there. Then decide on wall paint. Then after that is done, decide on the ceiling. Are you able to leave the ceiling unfinished prior to that?

I can probably leave the ceiling unpainted but as you mentioned - it'll be a bitch so id rather a pro do it. I'll think it over - once more is done i'll use the Sherwin Williams colour tool - it overlays things on there.

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

Yeah my complete lack of knowledge on new home construction is showing

don't use apps, they will never display the color correctly. The only way to truly know how a color will look is to get samples and paint it on various walls, and see how it looks at various times of day. find a few different options and paint some 2x2 foot squares. You really need the furniture in the room to see how it goes with the paint.

oXDemosthenesXo
May 9, 2005
Grimey Drawer

actionjackson posted:

Yeah my complete lack of knowledge on new home construction is showing

don't use apps, they will never display the color correctly. The only way to truly know how a color will look is to get samples and paint it on various walls, and see how it looks at various times of day. find a few different options and paint some 2x2 foot squares. You really need the furniture in the room to see how it goes with the paint.

The SW app is useful as a starting point but it can only get you in the ballpark of the color you want.

There was another post about choosing paint recently and someone suggested buying a bunch of 2' x 2' drywall patches and painting those instead of the walls. That way you don't have to worry about it showing through on the later paint and you can carry it to different places to get different looks at it.

Vintersorg
Mar 3, 2004

President of
the Brendan Fraser
Fan Club



Our guy is gonna let us just slap the paint on the walls and let us see what works best. He's really good. :)

I was more talking about if painting it is even recommended or just leave it as the base colour all the walls will be.

PS if you're interested here are the colours i've chosen right now and im gonna go get samples to put on.

Whites
========
Arcade White - SW7100
Greek Villa - SW7551
Ice Cube - SW6252
Zircon - SW7667
High Reflective White - SW7757

Blues
=======
Swimming - SW6764
Moonmist - SW9144
Sleepy Hollow - SW9145
Undercool - SW6957

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

oXDemosthenesXo posted:

The SW app is useful as a starting point but it can only get you in the ballpark of the color you want.

There was another post about choosing paint recently and someone suggested buying a bunch of 2' x 2' drywall patches and painting those instead of the walls. That way you don't have to worry about it showing through on the later paint and you can carry it to different places to get different looks at it.

yep, though I don't think showing through should be an issue if you use the proper number of coats. The paint samples I did in my bathroom are not visible at all underneath the paint I chose. I would definitely paint samples directly on the wall if possible.

Vintersorg posted:


Whites
========
Arcade White - SW7100
Greek Villa - SW7551
Ice Cube - SW6252
Zircon - SW7667
High Reflective White - SW7757


you're going to notice an enormous difference between the last two just because of the vastly different light reflective values. Zircon is 59, which is just a bit above average. High reflective white is 93, which is REALLY high - this is something I see on the walls of modern furniture stores, along with very bright lighting.

The more natural light your room takes in, the lower LRV you're going to want. I would start with those two, and ice cube since it's in the 70s. You should also setup the lighting you plan to have in the room if possible, as that will change how the paint looks at night of course.

actionjackson fucked around with this message at 07:25 on Feb 12, 2021

NoneMoreNegative
Jul 20, 2000
GOTH FASCISTIC
PAIN
MASTER




shit wizard dad



Not even considering the rest of the decor; a perfect place for a large, white rug.

My Shark Waifuu
Dec 9, 2012



Speaking of apps, which one(s) do people recommend for doing things like playing with furniture designs and layouts, looking at wall colors, etc? Our house is currently a blank slate and I want play around with different ideas before committing.

Vintersorg
Mar 3, 2004

President of
the Brendan Fraser
Fan Club



actionjackson posted:

yep, though I don't think showing through should be an issue if you use the proper number of coats. The paint samples I did in my bathroom are not visible at all underneath the paint I chose. I would definitely paint samples directly on the wall if possible.


you're going to notice an enormous difference between the last two just because of the vastly different light reflective values. Zircon is 59, which is just a bit above average. High reflective white is 93, which is REALLY high - this is something I see on the walls of modern furniture stores, along with very bright lighting.

The more natural light your room takes in, the lower LRV you're going to want. I would start with those two, and ice cube since it's in the 70s. You should also setup the lighting you plan to have in the room if possible, as that will change how the paint looks at night of course.

This is an insanely detailed post and I wish I could bring you along when we pick colours. :aaa:

Thank you! I will nix the last white - I thought it was just the name. :3:

Blowjob Overtime
Apr 6, 2008

Steeeeriiiiiiiiike twooooooo!

Youth Decay posted:

The Zillow search term of the day is "unlike any other"

Your scientists designers were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should.

SkyeAuroline
Nov 12, 2020

Blowjob Overtime posted:

Your scientists designers were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should.

"unlike any other, because the others know it was a bad idea"

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

Vintersorg posted:

This is an insanely detailed post and I wish I could bring you along when we pick colours. :aaa:

Thank you! I will nix the last white - I thought it was just the name. :3:

If you are able I would hire an interior designer who specializes in color/paint selection.

Baneling Butts posted:

Speaking of apps, which one(s) do people recommend for doing things like playing with furniture designs and layouts, looking at wall colors, etc? Our house is currently a blank slate and I want play around with different ideas before committing.

I use roomstyler, which is nothing super fancy but works well and is free. here's my living room from the top down view, but they obviously won't have ever piece of furniture on the planet, so you have to use substitutes for things. for example my sofa isn't this color. But you can always find something in the dimensions you are interested in and so it's good for layout planning.

there's also a camera view where you can take a "photo" of the room.

As mentioned above, try to avoid using apps for anything involving color decisions.

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Sirotan
Oct 17, 2006

Sirotan is a seal.


Vintersorg posted:

Our guy is gonna let us just slap the paint on the walls and let us see what works best. He's really good. :)

I was more talking about if painting it is even recommended or just leave it as the base colour all the walls will be.

PS if you're interested here are the colours i've chosen right now and im gonna go get samples to put on.

Whites
========
Arcade White - SW7100
Greek Villa - SW7551
Ice Cube - SW6252
Zircon - SW7667
High Reflective White - SW7757

Blues
=======
Swimming - SW6764
Moonmist - SW9144
Sleepy Hollow - SW9145
Undercool - SW6957

You can't leave taped and mudded drywall unpainted and you wouldn't want to either. Imho just get some cheapo flat ceiling bright white for everything but that little section. You want the opposite of reflective for the ceiling.

As for choosing colors, I don't know what the wait time is like now but Sherwin Williams is doing free color consultations via video these days, I used this service to choose some paint colors for my exterior trim and front door and I found it extremely helpful, I ended up going with the recommendation that came out of the meeting and it wasn't something I had considered before: https://homeowner.sherwin-williams.com/colorconsult/?utm_source=sherwinwilliams.com&utm_medium=redirect&utm_campaign=csi

Sirotan
Oct 17, 2006

Sirotan is a seal.


Double post for rugchat

Kaiser Schnitzel posted:

I'm a maybe late to rugchat but I've had good luck with https://www.ecarpetgallery.com/us_en/. They usually have free shipping. If you're in Canada I think you can even get real iranian/persian ones. There was a brief time a few years ago when we were less mad at Iran and you could get them in the US too. They are all new rugs, but you can filter just for hand knotted ones-higher knot counts usually means a better rug. Several of mine are from Afghanistan and I'm quite happy with them. I think I also have Turkish and Russian/Caucasus rugs. My old boss was the master of buying old oriental rugs for cheap cheap cheap on ebay, but he knew a whole lot more about them and what to look for than I do. There are some good sellers there too though. I'm a big fan of the bluer ghaznis and also kilims, which are woven and then embroidered rather than knotted. Usually a bit bolder and more patterned and I think can fit well into more contemporary spaces, and they don't trap stuff like a knotted rug. Good for the kitchen.

Except for the really light colored oushaks, oriental rugs are really out of style right now and it's a buyer's market. A decorator friend has a closet full of them that's she's saving for when they come back. Her clients have just given them to her to dispose of as they've replaced them with blue chevrons or whatever.

Thanks for this link, I am about to be in the market for a decent sized rug for my living room and they have some nice options here that I haven't seen on all the other popular online rug stores.

Since this is the design thread, can we discuss why this is a thing and who even likes it:



This is a brand new rug. It just baffles me how often I run across the "oops, I spilled all my bleach" style of overdyed rugs. I hate it. Traditional oriental rug styles aren't really my thing but this just seems like sacrelige.

SkyeAuroline
Nov 12, 2020

Sirotan posted:

Double post for rugchat


Thanks for this link, I am about to be in the market for a decent sized rug for my living room and they have some nice options here that I haven't seen on all the other popular online rug stores.

Since this is the design thread, can we discuss why this is a thing and who even likes it:



This is a brand new rug. It just baffles me how often I run across the "oops, I spilled all my bleach" style of overdyed rugs. I hate it. Traditional oriental rug styles aren't really my thing but this just seems like sacrelige.

Despite how ugly they are, you'd be surprised. Not really any new concepts around here I imagine, but interior design as an industry is as much performative as it is aimed at the occupant. People want "antiques" and other signals of having enough money for long enough to have heirlooms. These rugs... don't look like any old worn out rugs I've ever seen, really, but somehow the damage and "wear" creates that image of age for people. It all falls apart if you know anything about rugs or whatever, but the neighbors in your subdivision don't know jack about rug dealers, they just know you have an "antique rug worth thousands" (because the dealer charges it, not because of any inherent value - it has next to none of that). This one is pretty extreme but not out of the realm of reality entirely.

I'm not one to talk, my living space makes the average dorm room look finely furnished, but that's by conscious choice at least. Still appreciate YD's posts and other Zillow eurfing.

The Dave
Sep 9, 2003

I think you need to have a really clean and clutter-less aesthetic to make a rug like that work, so it really contrasts with the rest of the room.

If it doesn't look like poo poo on purpose then it's just going to look like, well, poo poo.

Queen Victorian
Feb 21, 2018

actionjackson posted:

thanks for that info - yeah I don't know anything about the Victorian style, but I can see how the rugs you mentioned would draw a ton of attention due to their colors and patterns. So any rug of that style is going to be a definite focal point in the room.

The rug I'm getting is going to be a focal point as well, it's a three stripe rug, and it actually really stands out, which is uncommon for modern rugs. But I'm coordinating my living room around it.

https://www.bludot.com/right-on-rugs.html

The actual rug is darker than in the pic - they use very bright lighting when doing staging pics.

That’s a really nice rug. It is indeed nice to see one that’s not afraid of color - it does seem like most modern rugs are neutral-colored or otherwise muted.

I was getting deja vu from the colors, and I finally figured it out. My grandma’s giant Turkish rug had the same palette:

(Not my grandma’s actual rug, just a random rug with the same colors)

Also, I would recommend an extra grippy rug pad - I have a smallish rug with that same type of weave and it bunches like a mofo.


Hutla posted:

According to my friend whose parents used to be rug dealers, you'll probably have to find the nearest city with either a good sized Armenian or Pakistani enclave. In Chicago, the Armenian dealers have a pretty good grip on the rug trade- I go by at least 3 different shops in my 15 minute commute to work. They're pretty chill- one of them let an operetta I was in borrow a gigantic $15k rug as set dressing. The day they moved it in, everyone was called to the stage and threatened with more than any of their lives were worth it anything happened to the rug.

Yeah I’m not sure that Pittsburgh really has much in the way of significant middle eastern enclaves. Quick search didn’t reveal any useful stats. I do know we have a good number of Turkish/Mediterranean restaurants. There is a rug shop nearby that seems good (been meaning to pop in for a while, but then pandemic). It has an Irish name, so I’m assuming the owner/founder is not middle eastern, but he seems to know his poo poo. Also I can pretty much walk there.

My dad in CA has an Iranian rug guy who’s really good and I’m jealous.

Kaiser Schnitzel posted:

I'm a maybe late to rugchat but I've had good luck with https://www.ecarpetgallery.com/us_en/. They usually have free shipping. If you're in Canada I think you can even get real iranian/persian ones. There was a brief time a few years ago when we were less mad at Iran and you could get them in the US too. They are all new rugs, but you can filter just for hand knotted ones-higher knot counts usually means a better rug. Several of mine are from Afghanistan and I'm quite happy with them. I think I also have Turkish and Russian/Caucasus rugs. My old boss was the master of buying old oriental rugs for cheap cheap cheap on ebay, but he knew a whole lot more about them and what to look for than I do. There are some good sellers there too though. I'm a big fan of the bluer ghaznis and also kilims, which are woven and then embroidered rather than knotted. Usually a bit bolder and more patterned and I think can fit well into more contemporary spaces, and they don't trap stuff like a knotted rug. Good for the kitchen.

I took a look and they have a ton of gorgeous stuff, though a lot of it was suspiciously cheap (or is it just because oriental rugs are not en vogue right now?). I do wish they were more specific about provenance/style/pattern - the Persian section was “Persian style” rugs that seemed to be mostly Turkish patterns from Turkey (every single one I clicked on was from Turkey).

The Indian-made replicas are certainly tempting... much better lower cost option than machine-made synthetic crap.

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Except for the really light colored oushaks, oriental rugs are really out of style right now and it's a buyer's market. A decorator friend has a closet full of them that's she's saving for when they come back. Her clients have just given them to her to dispose of as they've replaced them with blue chevrons or whatever.

That’s funny because those light oushaks are the one of the very few subsets of oriental rugs that I don’t like. While they are pretty and I can definitely see the appeal given the pasty trends of late, I can never kick the feeling that they’ve just been left out in the sun for fifty years.

And I guess that would explain why this abomination on Wayfair is so popular it has nearly 32,000 reviews.

The idea of an oriental rug not being a timeless immortal fixture in your house is kind of weird to me. My parents have always had the same rugs. They’ve added more rugs over the years, but never to displace the old ones. The idea of handing off your oriental rug to your decorator for “disposal” so you can chase trends is mind boggling to me. Good on your friend for hoarding them right now.

One look I personally love is a huge oriental rug in an otherwise austere and modern setting with natural wood finishes. I could see something like that coming around and making them popular again.

In the meantime I’ve been trying to take advantage of the fact that most of the stuff I’m really into is currently super out of style (everything except bin pulls, basically) - it’s been fun buying up silver plate and cut glass and such for peanuts.

PS: sorry for continuing to drag out rugchat - takes me a million years to write a post

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

yeah I had my interior designer order me a really nice, thick felt rug pad from Surya

can the rug pad itself be cleaned in the same way you clean the rug? It's inevitable my dog will pee on it at some point, so it will soak through.

My rug plan is warm water and white vinegar blotting, then leave baking soda on for a bit before vacuuming up to deal with the odor.

Queen Victorian posted:

That’s a really nice rug. It is indeed nice to see one that’s not afraid of color - it does seem like most modern rugs are neutral-colored or otherwise muted.

Besides the lack of color "trend" I'm guessing a lot of people want to emphasize certain pieces of furniture, in which case a colorful rug could distract from that. If for example I had a bright red womb chair or sofa, I would probably not pick a rug that stood out.

kreeningsons
Jan 2, 2007

Sirotan posted:

Double post for rugchat


Thanks for this link, I am about to be in the market for a decent sized rug for my living room and they have some nice options here that I haven't seen on all the other popular online rug stores.

Since this is the design thread, can we discuss why this is a thing and who even likes it:



This is a brand new rug. It just baffles me how often I run across the "oops, I spilled all my bleach" style of overdyed rugs. I hate it. Traditional oriental rug styles aren't really my thing but this just seems like sacrelige.

Maybe not all but I think a lot of people buy these rugs to signal worldliness and generational wealth.

This ones especially ugly, it looks like a grunge bleach dyed t shirt, and the only rug I’ve seen irl that comes close to it was a kilim at a yard sale that had repeatedly been soaked with dog urine and dog urine cleaner.

Kaiser Schnitzel
Mar 29, 2006

Schnitzel mit uns


Queen Victorian posted:

I took a look and they have a ton of gorgeous stuff, though a lot of it was suspiciously cheap (or is it just because oriental rugs are not en vogue right now?). I do wish they were more specific about provenance/style/pattern - the Persian section was “Persian style” rugs that seemed to be mostly Turkish patterns from Turkey (every single one I clicked on was from Turkey).

The Indian-made replicas are certainly tempting... much better lower cost option than machine-made synthetic crap.


That’s funny because those light oushaks are the one of the very few subsets of oriental rugs that I don’t like. While they are pretty and I can definitely see the appeal given the pasty trends of late, I can never kick the feeling that they’ve just been left out in the sun for fifty years.

And I guess that would explain why this abomination on Wayfair is so popular it has nearly 32,000 reviews.

The idea of an oriental rug not being a timeless immortal fixture in your house is kind of weird to me. My parents have always had the same rugs. They’ve added more rugs over the years, but never to displace the old ones. The idea of handing off your oriental rug to your decorator for “disposal” so you can chase trends is mind boggling to me. Good on your friend for hoarding them right now.

One look I personally love is a huge oriental rug in an otherwise austere and modern setting with natural wood finishes. I could see something like that coming around and making them popular again.

In the meantime I’ve been trying to take advantage of the fact that most of the stuff I’m really into is currently super out of style (everything except bin pulls, basically) - it’s been fun buying up silver plate and cut glass and such for peanuts.

PS: sorry for continuing to drag out rugchat - takes me a million years to write a post
I think they are cheap because a)they are mostly not all that finely knotted which makes them much faster to make and b) turns out most oriental rugs are marked up like 4000%. Real persian rugs aren't available because we are still embargoing Iran and a Hamadan or Shiraz rug comes from a town in Iran called Hamadan or Shiraz, not some town in Turkey or India where they make their own pattern. I've been perfectly happy with my like 8? e-carpetgallery rugs and for the price they are fantastic but they are not the finest 200 knots per inch persian rugs for the most part. Get felt and rubber pads like these:https://www.rugpadusa.com/collections/felt-and-rubber

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Queen Victorian
Feb 21, 2018

Sirotan posted:

Double post for rugchat


Thanks for this link, I am about to be in the market for a decent sized rug for my living room and they have some nice options here that I haven't seen on all the other popular online rug stores.

Since this is the design thread, can we discuss why this is a thing and who even likes it:



This is a brand new rug. It just baffles me how often I run across the "oops, I spilled all my bleach" style of overdyed rugs. I hate it. Traditional oriental rug styles aren't really my thing but this just seems like sacrelige.

It’s like ungodly expensive designer jeans that come already ripped to shreds but in rug form.

I think it looks gross and it’s also a fake as gently caress look. I’ve seen some actual old oriental rugs that have been beaten to poo poo for a hundred years and they just look threadbare, ratty around the edges and dingy like they’ve been soaked in filthy dishwater. You wouldn’t be able to achieve this sort of look on a rug without a bleach splatter accident and some deliberate tampering.

I linked to one on Wayfair that’s straight up trashy and way worse than this one in my opinion. But it’s the same general faded pseudo-distressed fakey vintage sort of look and it’s loving everywhere. My guess is boho/shabby chic that’s gotten completely out of hand and been commoditized.

I think old things that have been beaten up and worn down through normal use over a long period of time can be really interesting and beautiful, but I find that the beauty and interest comes from the thing being genuine. So fake-distressing something to achieve the “look” misses the loving point as far as I’m concerned and comes off as stupid and hollow.

As for wanting to emulate generational wealth via pseudo-distressed fake antiques, I don’t even know, it just reads nouveau riche to me.

actionjackson posted:

yeah I had my interior designer order me a really nice, thick felt rug pad from Surya

can the rug pad itself be cleaned in the same way you clean the rug? It's inevitable my dog will pee on it at some point, so it will soak through.

My rug plan is warm water and white vinegar blotting, then leave baking soda on for a bit before vacuuming up to deal with the odor.

Not sure on the rug pad - we’ve always had the rubbery mesh kind that I think you just hose off and hang up to dry. There should be care instructions included.

If you don’t already have Nature’s Miracle on hand, get some. It is an enzymatic cleaner specifically for pet messes. Works great.

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Besides the lack of color "trend" I'm guessing a lot of people want to emphasize certain pieces of furniture, in which case a colorful rug could distract from that. If for example I had a bright red womb chair or sofa, I would probably not pick a rug that stood out.

I honestly think a lot of it has to do with being “safe” with decor. Going with bold colors takes commitment and a vision. I saw a Houzz topic where a woman bought an antique sofa and was asking about which jewel tone of velvet she should pick when reupholstering. I was like “sapphire blue! DO IT!” but so many other posters came in with “safer” suggestions like loving beige and taupe. It kinda pissed me off - finally someone on that dumb discussion board has a bold vision and you rush in to talk her down? Ugh.

But still, neutrals are indeed a safe bet if you’re not sure of what you really want. They are unobtrusive and easy on the eyes and can look super nice.

Kaiser Schnitzel posted:

I think they are cheap because a)they are mostly not all that finely knotted which makes them much faster to make and b) turns out most oriental rugs are marked up like 4000%. Real persian rugs aren't available because we are still embargoing Iran and a Hamadan or Shiraz rug comes from a town in Iran called Hamadan or Shiraz, not some town in Turkey or India where they make their own pattern. I've been perfectly happy with my like 8? e-carpetgallery rugs and for the price they are fantastic but they are not the finest 200 knots per inch persian rugs for the most part. Get felt and rubber pads like these:https://www.rugpadusa.com/collections/felt-and-rubber

Haha guess I’m just not used to seeing not-marked-up-4000% prices on rugs. Honestly I like the look of “coarser” knotting on rugs, so I’m not specifically looking for super high knot count. I was mostly remarking on the categorization methodology - been poking around at rugs a lot lately (thanks hyperfocus!) and learning more about regional/tribal categorizations and styles and then didn’t see those designations on eCarpetGallery and just seeing them all labeled as Persian even none of them (at least stateside) are technically Persian. Actually in my original rug post I should have just said oriental rug but was in a Persian rug mood that day or something.

Kaiser Schnitzel
Mar 29, 2006

Schnitzel mit uns


The best way I've found to deal with their website is to just look at all the rugs and then filter by country and color. They used to have better filters like knots per inch and by style (Ghazni, Kilim, tribal, whatever) but they don't seem to do that anymore :(

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