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Tunicate posted:they've tried combat ai and it turns out heavily armed robots never work out I suspect there is a middle ground between "no AI" and "I DO NOT UNDERSTAND YOUR HUMAN EMOTION CALLED LOVE, THEREFORE I WILL EXTERMINATE ALL LIFE" when it comes to predictive analysis and response by a smart system.
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anyone know where I can get several litres of edible green body paint asking for a friend
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Sash! posted:I suspect there is a middle ground between "no AI" and "I DO NOT UNDERSTAND YOUR HUMAN EMOTION CALLED LOVE, THEREFORE I WILL EXTERMINATE ALL LIFE" when it comes to predictive analysis and response by a smart system. You'd think, but if there's one thing Star Trek has proven conclusively in its AI Fiction its that such middle ground absolutely does not exist.
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Powered Descent posted:Rigellian whiskey sours Aldebaran whiskey. Rigellian brandy. Tsk tsk.
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multijoe posted:I bet you could really clean up in Star Trek by being the only species to use combat AI for ship to ship combat and making hundreds of attacks and position changes in the time it takes to say 'execute attack pattern omega-three' I vaguely remember reading there was an old TOS book where Kirk was getting advice from a mysterious stranger and it turned out the Enterprise's rec room AI had become sentient. Kirk just shrugged and told it to keep that on the down low. Powered Descent posted:Rigellian whiskey sours Romulan whiskey sours, you'd think it'd be green, but they're blue...
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They also had that computer system that controlled 3 Constitution classes and they all turned evil and kirk defeated them by, some technobabble, it has been a while.
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BonHair posted:Even then, they're still flying in a straight line away from the Kazon. Either they are literally playing catch-up with Voyager for their tech and in the process abandoning their home for at least a year, or the plot doesn't work. look, they have the ability to travel a couple thousand light years but they just can't find one single comet in all that space to melt and drink, okay?
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Yvonmukluk posted:I vaguely remember reading there was an old TOS book where Kirk was getting advice from a mysterious stranger and it turned out the Enterprise's rec room AI had become sentient. Kirk just shrugged and told it to keep that on the down low. They had one of those on seaQuest, where you got to talk to an old man who lived in a fog machine!
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At least the 'Kazon don't have water' poo poo doesn't appear to come up again after the pilot. At least that has been the case so far with the Kazon in my rewatch (I am a little over halfway through Season 2).
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Axe-man posted:They also had that computer system that controlled 3 Constitution classes and they all turned evil and kirk defeated them by, some technobabble, it has been a while. The computer system was controlling the Enterprise and during a war game simulation with 4 other Constitution class ships it decided to play for keeps, killing the entire crew on one of the ships, under the auspices of "protecting itself". So Kirk just goes "yeah you just straight-up committed mass murder and you know what the penalty is for that, right?" and the computer commits suicide. Despite this incident Richard Daystrom (who built the M-5 unit) still has an institute named after him in the future of the Star Trek timeline so either it was hushed up or he did something later to atone, or they just figured the nervous breakdown he had was enough.
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Angry_Ed posted:The computer system was controlling the Enterprise and during a war game simulation with 4 other Constitution class ships it decided to play for keeps, killing the entire crew on one of the ships, under the auspices of "protecting itself". So Kirk just goes "yeah you just straight-up committed mass murder and you know what the penalty is for that, right?" and the computer commits suicide. I just assumed that the Daystrom Institute / the Daystrom Prize was like a parallel to the Nobel Prize; Alfred Nobel didn't want to be remembered as the guy who invented dynamite, a substance that had killed thousands of people by the time he was nearing the end of his life, so he set up a foundation to recognize and reward great humanitarian and peaceful achievements and slapped his name on it to rehab his image and it more or less worked.
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I couldn't believe how common the 'Kirk logics a computer to death' trope actually was when I did a TOS watch through last year
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FlamingLiberal posted:I couldn't believe how common the 'Kirk logics a computer to death' trope actually was when I did a TOS watch through last year Evil Computer is one of the OG Trek plots, right next to Evil Crewmember and Evil God
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I mean in the original series and even movies, they kill or defeat a god like 5 times total?
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Yeah that also comes up a lot. Defeating some God-like being.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Yeah that also comes up a lot. Defeating some God-like being. It's because they had a bunch of Greek or Roman props from other movies/shows being filmed in their studios.
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Axe-man posted:I mean in the original series and even movies, they kill or defeat a god like 5 times total? FlamingLiberal posted:Yeah that also comes up a lot. Defeating some God-like being.  I made this for SCI-FI WI-FI and it made all the lovely nerds there mad
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I would argue that Voyage Home doesn’t really have a villain, other than the ticking clock and humanity’s own ignorance about conservation. Also the garbage direction and the horribly dated soundtrack.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I would argue that Voyage Home doesn’t really have a villain, other than the ticking clock and humanity’s own ignorance about conservation. It's still counts as a superweapon.
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Transparent aluminum.
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Shouldn't First Contact be in the 'bad guy wants revenge' category? What superweapon was in that movie?
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nine-gear crow posted:It's still counts as a superweapon. Its not a weapon, its just a noisy stereo
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FlamingLiberal posted:Shouldn't First Contact be in the 'bad guy wants revenge' category? What superweapon was in that movie?
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I guess technically FC is the Borg Queen trying to get revenge for failing to assimilate Earth during Best of Both Worlds
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I would also argue that Soren in Generations doesn’t want revenge. He wants to return to the Nexus, that’s his only motivation. He doesn’t care who’s standing in his way, it’s all about just getting back.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I would also argue that Soren in Generations doesn’t want revenge. He wants to return to the Nexus, that’s his only motivation. He doesn’t care who’s standing in his way, it’s all about just getting back. He's angry at and wants revenge on time itself.
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Also I guess Insurrection can actually go in the middle segment because that thing Ru'afo has to gently caress up the planet's rings will also make the planet uninhabitable and kill all the Ba'ku who are still down there, so I guess that counts as a superweapon. look it was a very hastily assembled list okay
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nine-gear crow posted:He's angry at and wants revenge on time itself. If i was in insurrection, I would be pretty mad too, it wasn't even a good standard fare TNG episode.
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nine-gear crow posted:
I wouldn't call Chang's bird of prey from Undiscovered Country a "superweapon". I mean, it's got a very effective new development in cloaking tech, but it still shoots regular-rear end photon torpedoes.
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Powered Descent posted:I wouldn't call Chang's bird of prey from Undiscovered Country a "superweapon". I mean, it's got a very effective new development in cloaking tech, but it still shoots regular-rear end photon torpedoes.
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FlamingLiberal posted:It was a huge threat and closer to a superweapon than not Certainly closer to a superweapon than V'Ger and the whale probe. e: take care 
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I started watching ST:Enterprise after a friend basically told me I have to... This is a drat good show. Like, I think I love this show. I finished season 1 in a few days, and basically everything about it just clicks for me. It's hard to pinpoint what it is, but the tech being less useful and refined brings a little bit of grunt work to the scenes, the sense of mystery is greater due to limited information. poo poo goes wrong in a different way from almost any other Trek. A lot of things aren't very convenient, and good plans have to take the reins instead of overwhelming technology; that's dope. Great camera work and sets as well. The characters are entirely likeable and unpredictable for me too. I love Trip and his hard workin' good ol' boy schtick. Phlox is hilarious, charming, and delightful, love his voice. Archer is stubborn like an American but smart like a Canadian. loving Jeffrey Combs plays a few parts too and he plays them so well it's disgusting (Indeed, there's so many Trek actors playing different parts, I bet there's a bunch I missed without reading credits.). I have really taken a shine to Malcom and Trip's love/hate relationship. T'Pol is a Vulcan. She's gonna have a big arc I can sense it starting already. I mostly lurk this thread and the forums anymore but Jesus christ I just need to gush about this. Sorry I slept on this poo poo for so long. gently caress you and thank you for reading.
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down1nit posted:I started watching ST:Enterprise...  All joking aside I'm happy you've found something you enjoy.
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FlamingLiberal posted:It was a huge threat and closer to a superweapon than not It has outsized, unique capabilities that fundamentally challenged the balance of power. Sounds superweapony to me.
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8one6 posted:
Thanks. Mayweather is also there.
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down1nit posted:I started watching ST:Enterprise after a friend basically told me I have to... This is a drat good show. Yesss, finally there’s two Enterprise defenders in this thread. Wait till you get to seasons 3 and especially 4.
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I also think that Enterprise is fun and good. Don't take it super seriously and try to have fun. People like to get upset about how things go in the last two seasons, but if you just sit back and enjoy the ride, it's pretty nice.
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