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gradenko_2000 posted:I wonder if they're going to leverage this approach as part of what'll sell the Ti refreshes for the 3070 and 3080. Paul MaudDib posted:Kopite7kimi now reporting that NVIDIA will EOL the older 30-series SKUs and release new SKUs with the mining brake applied. called it 
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Does this mean my launch 3080 is worth more or less now?
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AirRaid posted:Does this mean my launch 3080 is worth more or less now? more. existing 30-series cards without the mining nerf are basically the best of both worlds, they can be used in either a gaming or a mining role and should follow the pricing of whichever is more expensive. I think the mining cards are going to be priced higher but whichever it ends up being. with the way prices are right now (plus another healthy bump) maybe you'll be able to sell a 3080 and do a swap to a 3090 Super at even money lol Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 10:47 on Feb 19, 2021 |
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Feb 19, 2021 10:42
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So does this mean new GPUs going forward aren’t going to be miner friendly unless they’re a special SKU? So next time there’s a crypto boom, gaming GPU availability doesn’t vanish? It sounds like pretty fantastic news, but maybe I’m missing things here.
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buglord posted:So does this mean new GPUs going forward aren’t going to be miner friendly unless they’re a special SKU? So next time there’s a crypto boom, gaming GPU availability doesn’t vanish? That's assuming that NVidia wants to keep doing this going into future generations, but it's a reasonable expectation to have. The alternative is that they become too lazy to do it for Hopper if they think crypto isn't going to be such a big thing anymore that they don't want to go through the trouble of updating their designs... but idk
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there is also the option that maybe they unlock it on the previous generation when they release a new generation - so they unlock Ampere when they release Lovelace or whatever. Like it doesn't really matter if miners suck up a bunch of old cards off the used market, that actually benefits NVIDIA trying to sell new cards at full MSRP by making used cards more expensive and less attractive.
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Feb 19, 2021 11:34
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it's specific to the 3060 so far so it'd be funny if it just drives demand for the 70 and 80 consumer cards
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Paul MaudDib posted:more. existing 30-series cards without the mining nerf are basically the best of both worlds, they can be used in either a gaming or a mining role and should follow the pricing of whichever is more expensive. I think the mining cards are going to be priced higher but whichever it ends up being. Yeah this seems like a win for anyone with a current 30xx who isn't interested in mining. You'll prob be able to sell your card to a miner and upgrade to the Super/Ti/whatever version for free.
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Paul MaudDib posted:there is also the option that maybe they unlock it on the previous generation when they release a new generation - so they unlock Ampere when they release Lovelace or whatever. Like it doesn't really matter if miners suck up a bunch of old cards off the used market, that actually benefits them trying to sell new cards at full MSRP by making used cards more expensive and less attractive. I dunno, if there’s a way to unlock it then I would bet on miners finding a way to unlock the cards themselves, rendering it all moot.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:I dunno, if there’s a way to unlock it then I would bet on miners finding a way to unlock the cards themselves, rendering it all moot. "unlock" it in this context would be NVIDIA signing a VBIOS that removes the mining brake. Because of driver signing, they can maintain a secure enclave on the card that lets them do things that miners can't even if they patched the driver itself, while at some future point they could release a new VBIOS without that. Obviously it's a one-way ratchet, once you release that VBIOS then the cat's out of the bag, which is why they're EOL'ing the old SKUs and releasing new incompatible models that the old VBIOS won't work on. https://twitter.com/bdelrizzo/status/1362619264423747590 hopefully this holds up at a technical level. Like if they are just targeting workloads with pure integer calculations and no floating-point, you could add in some dummy floating point calculations to move out of the crosshairs of the brake. Or if it's looking for the patterns of the DAG in memory, you could find some different encoding and then unpack it in the compute kernel. Presumably they have given this some thought though. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 12:27 on Feb 19, 2021 |
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it dont matter posted:Yeah this seems like a win for anyone with a current 30xx who isn't interested in mining. You'll prob be able to sell your card to a miner and upgrade to the Super/Ti/whatever version for free. gently caress yeah! 3070 Super here I come (one day, maybe)
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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:nice i never bothered tuning my cpu & ram so best i have is 16198 as a combined score, but 19372 for graphics - what'd you get there? 19043 with the lone 3090; the 1080 TIs have stretched as high as 20101 (e: with a balls-out all fans at max setting) but there was a lot of variance. flakeloaf fucked around with this message at 14:23 on Feb 19, 2021 |
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Feb 19, 2021 14:19
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Sweet can't wait to play for microtransactions and subscription services to unlock video card features in our upcoming future.
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After all the stress and anxiety of getting a 3070 in the Canadian Tech wasteland, there is no way in hell I am selling my 3070. I just hope the new skus will help my friends and family get new cards.
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Nybble posted:How much of an improvement is the 3090 over the 3080 in regards to ML? I know it's not huge for gaming, but given it might actually be easier to find a 3090 because of the price point and I can afford it... at least I could justify it because I'm also gonna use it for ML tasks.
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if you haven't switched to mixed precision training for ML, you guys should look into it. it doesn't affect accuracy for most use cases and you literally double throughput (or from another perspective, double the batch sizes you can train w/).
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So where can I actually preorder the new 3060s? Or do I have to wait until release day to see if I can beat the scalper bots? Apologies if this has been discussed recently before.
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Ghost of RBG posted:So where can I actually preorder the new 3060s? Or do I have to wait until release day to see if I can beat the scalper bots? Apologies if this has been discussed recently before. Probably no preorders. Best bet is probably the NVidia website on the moment they release as Nvidia usually lists all their partners with models in stock. At least that's how it worked here in the UK with the 3070.
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And MicroCenter if you live close by, they've put up some notices saying they'll have those too in person.
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If I ran Nvidia I'd just take all the GPUs off the market and turn the company into a big mining farm. Why not? In other news I went ahead and bought a pre-built Alienware system that had a 3090 already in it, due to recent life events that will take up all my time the next few months, so I won't have time to build my own system. Just posting so you all tell me how stupid I am, but I got tired of waiting and want to play some of the games that I have been left out of the past year. But I'm also highlighting to others who are waiting for a new GPU, and will also plan to build a system, that there are prebuilt system options available, though this is probably not the best one. I bought the Here's a link that shows the Alienware GPU-cooling design for an RTX 2080, termed as the "Rad Card" (hells yeah11!). The same design is used for their RTX 3080's and 3090's. https://na.alienwarearena.com/ucf/show/2135399/boards/gaming-news/News/is-gpu-liquid-cooling-worth-it The whole package came to $4000, including a 12% discount at checkout by Dell, and I used the savings to buy an extended 2-year warranty. Though the RTX 3090 card included in the package is probably worth $1400-$1500 I was planning on paying scalped prices for it, and noted the GPU prices keep going steadily up the past few weeks. So at the scalped $2500 for a 3090 that leaves $1500 for the rest of the components. The remaining components were the Intel 10900KF, liquid-cooled, a 1000watt PSU, 32GB RAM at 3400mhz, and a 2 TB NvME SSD, Win 10 Pro and the case. The 1000 watt PSU is overkill but that's all they offered with the system. I looked at other prebuilt systems like from Cyberpower but the system I wanted would have been $5500, so I just settled for the Dell. The only complaints from reviews were loud fans, but maybe I can replace those. I plan to put the computer under my desk so perhaps I won't notice any loud fan issues.
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nnnotime posted:If I ran Nvidia I'd just take all the GPUs off the market and turn the company into a big mining farm. Why not? I similarly ordered an aurora r11 back in November, though with a 3080 instead. I ended up cancelling and ordering from a smaller gaming specialist who matched the price and bumped me to express delivery, and also came with a 5 year warranty. No regrets.
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nnnotime posted:If I ran Nvidia I'd just take all the GPUs off the market and turn the company into a big mining farm. Why not? The people who made money during the gold rush weren't the folks digging for gold. It was the folks who sold the shovels.
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Fauxtool posted:did they ever fix msi afterburner not controlling the middle fan on FTW3's I don't use Afterburner but I did notice that when I was using EVGA own software Precision X1, it only shows 2 fan speeds and controls... So it might not just be an Afterburner thing? Edit : My friend with the same card says he only sees 2 with Afterburner too. Hemish fucked around with this message at 19:54 on Feb 19, 2021 |
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In Germany and Austria you can buy all 3090 custom brands and variants. So there is an Ampere GPU that finally is not limited or unavailable. The reason might be they start at 2000 Euro and end at like 2800 Euro. The voices who told me I should have waited until 2021 to pay „way less“ for my 3090 Strix are silenced. In fact she is 1000 Euro more expensive now, 4 months later. Local stores here have plenty of 3070s and 3080s but they aren’t sold individually anymore but only with complete gaming systems. An „entry“ 3070 „Fortnite Gaming PC“ starts at 1700 Euro now in my stores. lol
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Hemish posted:I don't use Afterburner but I did notice that when I was using EVGA own software Precision X1, it only shows 2 fan speeds and controls... So it might not just be an Afterburner thing? Update your X1, it should work now. They did an update a few weeks ago that fixed it for me.
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They obviously will sell as many mining cards as they can make, and each card will sell for a wider profit margin than anything they've ever sold before. I imagine they're planning on releasing the 3060 specifically because they're going to need a low end model to package with the mining chips that don't bin well.
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Cygni posted:Update your X1, it should work now. They did an update a few weeks ago that fixed it for me. That worked. I would have put money on the fact that I did update it last week when I installed the card... Rookie mistake, trusting me when I thought to update earlier today but told myself nah, I did it last week which was way after the release of the card...
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GRECOROMANGRABASS posted:They obviously will sell as many mining cards as they can make, and each card will sell for a wider profit margin than anything they've ever sold before. I imagine they're planning on releasing the 3060 specifically because they're going to need a low end model to package with the mining chips that don't bin well. The anti-mining drivers are being touted as a good thing but in reality it will allow them to sell directly to miners and deflect short supply criticism. They could even divert gaming earmarked gpus into mining to make higher profits. Gamers would be none the wiser as long as the gaming gpus were "reserved" for gaming. What is being marketed as for gamers could also be seen as giving miners preferential treatment depending on how the next gen goes. Can you imagine the shitshow if they released the mining cards first next gen? Im sure they could spin it as beneficial to gamers somehow Fauxtool fucked around with this message at 22:36 on Feb 19, 2021 |
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Fauxtool posted:The anti-mining drivers are being touted as a good thing but in reality it will allow them to sell directly to miners and deflect short supply criticism. They could even divert gaming earmarked gpus into mining making higher profits. Gamers would be none the wiser as long as the gaming gpus were "reserved" for gaming.
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wyoak posted:if there's no supply people are gonna complain, it wouldn't matter if nvidia had some way of certifying every single card was sold to a gamer Even when supply is great and you get 3 free games they whine about it being the wrong games.
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Extrapolating from my local mc, every 30 series card they receive has someone waiting in the cold outside to reserve a voucher to purchase it.
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The Slack Lagoon posted:Have 30xx series cards been available in-store at microcenter at all? I assume they wouldn't list them online if they had stock. There hasn't been a 3080 delivered to the Fairfax VA MC in nearly three weeks. And according to this, the last time a 3080 dropped online was 2/9 on Amazon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfyJ5XBchoQ A few weeks back there was a huge shipment of Gaming Trio 3070s that actually made it to the cage, and 90s routinely make it to the cage as well.
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wyoak posted:if there's no supply people are gonna complain, it wouldn't matter if nvidia had some way of certifying every single card was sold to a gamer I guess if their argument is that they're harvesting dies with faulty RTX units but functional CUDA cores, that wouldn't really take away from the RTX supply.
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Fauxtool posted:Even when supply is great and you get 3 free games they whine about it being the wrong games.  one of these days I'm going to time my gpu upgrade right to get like three full price triple aaa titles for "free."
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the hash rates for the nvidia mining cards don't line up with the gaming cards (i believe the highest rated miner performs worse than a 3080) so i wonder if they're really just rebadged 60/70/80 or if they're tweaking the 3060 to hit all performance targets
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shrike82 posted:the hash rates for the nvidia mining cards don't line up with the gaming cards (i believe the highest rated miner performs worse than a 3080) so i wonder if they're really just rebadged 60/70/80 or if they're tweaking the 3060 to hit all performance targets 3 of the 4 SKUs seem to be Turing based parts and not Ampere, so thats another wrench. Also a great way for Nvidia to make some extra cash on top without sacrificing 8nm wafers.
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