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Fleetwood posted:the episodes where DS9 time travels back to San Fransisco are the best Star Trek ever imo second only to the one were quark's bar unionizes
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Feb 21, 2021 21:26
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And the fact that Star Trek will no longer go there is part of the reason why the modern stuff rings so loving hollow
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Feb 21, 2021 21:27
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Tighclops posted:And the fact that Star Trek will no longer go there is part of the reason why the modern stuff rings so loving hollow Star Trek was made demonstrably worse by advances in CGI making it so they could put giant flashy space battles in an episode whenever they wanted
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Feb 21, 2021 21:30
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Goth Odell Beckham posted:Curious if anyone has links to decent political readings on anything related to Star Trek? https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3914715&pagenumber=1&perpage=40&userid=118075#post502665066
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Feb 21, 2021 21:32
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qag2bOBUVfQ
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Feb 21, 2021 21:32
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Tighclops posted:And the fact that Star Trek will no longer go there is part of the reason why the modern stuff rings so loving hollow The new stuff is also all grimdark, which is weird for a trek.
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Feb 21, 2021 21:33
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Like don't get me wrong the shows were always made by well off white dudes so that progressive streak was never very deep but it did go a little harder than "well we let the queers onto our show now" so they can join in on the war crimes It's been going this way for a long time now it's just finally come to a head
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Feb 21, 2021 21:36
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Tricky D posted:second only to the one were quark's bar unionizes oh yeah, I like that one too and it has Leeta so it's probly the best overall
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Feb 21, 2021 21:40
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I don't understand how nerds after the original series seized onto Star Trek as something that needs fleshing out with technical manuals and explanation for the science jargon. It seems pretty obvious that the science fiction elements were to create setting where the conflicts could be about the "pure" human condition and perception, without the baggage of the current political struggles. In that context, the Spock/Kirk slash fiction of the era honestly seems more true to the spirit of the show. There are lots of episodes where people are extremely horny and passionate, but broadcast norms of the time meant no explicit gay stuff was allowed. In contrast to this, reason there was no in depth discussion of warp travel is because no one cared enough t explain it.
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Feb 21, 2021 22:01
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Tighclops posted:Like don't get me wrong the shows were always made by well off white dudes so that progressive streak was never very deep but it did go a little harder than "well we let the queers onto our show now" so they can join in on the war crimes It's been a real shame watching the culture of star trek progressively become more contemporary. DS9, while good, was pretty much the point where all the characters began to have the same mindsets as the audience.
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Feb 21, 2021 22:01
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Fleetwood posted:the episodes where DS9 time travels back to San Fransisco are the best Star Trek ever imo It's not science fiction since depicted the world that rich liberals actually created in the last 20 years in cities . especially the bits showing special zones for poor people.
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Feb 21, 2021 22:08
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e:^^ the whole "government passes a jobs act that it immediately forgets about implementing" is, if anything, an optimistic vision of the biden eraTricky D posted:It's been a real shame watching the culture of star trek progressively become more contemporary. DS9, while good, was pretty much the point where all the characters began to have the same mindsets as the audience. yeah ds9 was good, and i honestly prefer its sort of "modern humans who just live in an Actually Pretty Good society" to tng's "we've evolved past being interesting," but modern trek isn't even asking interesting questions about the future, its just rehashing the end of history but everything's cleaner now
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Feb 21, 2021 22:09
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Trabisnikof posted:Zardoz owns and predicts social media amazingly well. It's too bad the sport from New Lands music video isn't real: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gxu248aD6PY
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Feb 21, 2021 22:12
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StashAugustine posted:yeah ds9 was good, and i honestly prefer its sort of "modern humans who just live in an Actually Pretty Good society" to tng's "we've evolved past being interesting," but modern trek isn't even asking interesting questions about the future, its just rehashing the end of history but everything's cleaner now star fleet officers using money and playing tongo was good. section 31 and the arc about a fascist coup being brought on through paranoia over changelings were not.
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Feb 21, 2021 22:21
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Atrocious Joe posted:I don't understand how nerds after the original series seized onto Star Trek as something that needs fleshing out with technical manuals and explanation for the science jargon. It seems pretty obvious that the science fiction elements were to create setting where the conflicts could be about the "pure" human condition and perception, without the baggage of the current political struggles. is there a sci-fi show or series this isn't true about tho?
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Feb 21, 2021 22:23
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Tricky D posted:star fleet officers using money and playing tongo was good. section 31 and the arc about a fascist coup being brought on through paranoia over changelings were not. Section 31 I will definitely give you- you can sort of justify it (as a storytelling conceit, not an organization) maybe, and ofc future attempts to use it were even dumber, but yeah it doesn't really fit with the spirit of the show. I did think the Six Days In Space May storyline was good though- it's a tiny reactionary minority and it's obviously portrayed as a terrible idea (even before it's implied that all the security measures are completely useless because changelings are way more sophisticated than they thought)
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Feb 21, 2021 22:30
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at this point, i reflexively see section 31 (as portrayed in ds9) as just one guy larping as space cia starfleet trying to coup the federation gov just shits over everything starfleet had been portrayed as representing in prior trek. also lol that the one guy who stood up to the security state was admiral cartwright
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Feb 21, 2021 22:44
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Atrocious Joe posted:I don't understand how nerds after the original series seized onto Star Trek as something that needs fleshing out with technical manuals and explanation for the science jargon. It seems pretty obvious that the science fiction elements were to create setting where the conflicts could be about the "pure" human condition and perception, without the baggage of the current political struggles. I think there are just always people who need to suck the fun out of everything with Hard Lore I saw Ghostbusters once and it's a pretty fun movie. But, like, people watched that film and needed to obsess over the models of the ghost vacuums and the cars and poo poo and that sounds so miserable to me Fleshing out Trek tech is also p lol because literally everything is explained away with techno magic. The Enterprise always has enough power reserves, or shields, or an extra canon to save the day
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gradenko_2000 posted:John Krasinski is a loving Fed
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"yeah I liked Star Trek, the show about US and our COOL ALLIES versus THE EVIL DOERS from OVER THERE who look basically exactly the same but they have a gruff accent, BEFORE it got political"
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Feb 22, 2021 00:08
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Tricky D posted:at this point, i reflexively see section 31 (as portrayed in ds9) as just one guy larping as space cia The coup seems like something the series has been setting up for a while. Voyager/DS9/TNG all showed that there was a big rift in starfleet regarding how militant the federation should be.
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Audiences are supposed to sympathize with Cruella, like they do with Harley Quinn and Maleficent in their movies. We don't know as much about the Winter Soldier show, but the "new Captain America" portrayed by Wyatt Russell hasn't had much promotional material released, and it seems like he may be the real main villain of the show. I wouldn't be surprised if the anarchist antagonists work with the heroes in the end, like their inspiration has in the comics. Disney is promoting anarchists as cool and dangerous because in the US the ideology isn't very dangerous to the ruling class. That the CIA aligned Daily Beast is boasting these claims is further evidence against anarchism being very threatening. Contrast this with Disney's treatment of communism. In Winter Soldier, communists are portrayed as part of the same cult as the Nazis. In the new Black Widow movie, David Harbour will play a "Captain Soviet" style character, who is a pathetic joke when compared to the heroic Captain America. Communism, a powerful tool for the working class, is portrayed in an extremely unappealing way to deter further investigation into it by audiences. pay me $500 and I'll flesh this out more for clickbait
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Chud Star Trek fans confuse the gently caress out of me, what about the Federation to you says Right Wing politics
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Tricky D posted:at this point, i reflexively see section 31 (as portrayed in ds9) as just one guy larping as space cia i kind of have the opposite reaction, s31 is very strongly implied to have its tendrils in big chunks of starfleet while iirc the attempted coup was one dipshit and a couple loyalists KomradeX posted:Chud Star Trek fans confuse the gently caress out of me, what about the Federation to you says Right Wing politics my take is that right wingers have already built a persecution narrative about media so they silo off any time it gets political as "oh drat libs at it again" and go back to kirk being cool
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Feb 22, 2021 00:35
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were TOS Klingons a type of blackface
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Bootleg Trunks posted:john krasinskis full throated sucking off of the CIA is unbearable https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_osgrcpes4
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Feb 22, 2021 00:40
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KomradeX posted:Chud Star Trek fans confuse the gently caress out of me, what about the Federation to you says Right Wing politics Wasn't Ayn Rand a fan of Star Trek? She was more into pop culture and movies than most people expect
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KomradeX posted:Chud Star Trek fans confuse the gently caress out of me, what about the Federation to you says Right Wing politics The series all take place almost entirely within the confines of a strictly hierarchical and authoritarian leadership structure modeled after modern military organization There's nothing revolutionary about star trek, the original series' treatment of racial issues aside. Trek has never been about fleshing out the reality or details of the federation and their accomplishments, or the work it took to achieve them. It's an abstracted liberal utopia spoken about with vague allusions and recitation of their official mythology
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Atrocious Joe posted:were TOS Klingons a type of blackface we do not discuss it with outsiders
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StashAugustine posted:i kind of have the opposite reaction, s31 is very strongly implied to have its tendrils in big chunks of starfleet while iirc the attempted coup was one dipshit and a couple loyalists the coup certainly was, but sisko was cool with the other aspects of the security state until grampa sisko laid it on him
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a popular fan theory is that Sloan is the *only* member of section 31 and that they're essentially a delusion of his, or that they're super-tiny and actually ineffectual. I guess they do infect the founders with a killer virus but we never get any confirmation that section 31 is actually controlling the entire federation or anything like that
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Feb 22, 2021 00:52
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in a post scarcity society, one man could conceivably run cointelpro
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Feb 22, 2021 00:55
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Atrocious Joe posted:Audiences are supposed to sympathize with Cruella, like they do with Harley Quinn and Maleficent in their movies. Give me your Venmo and you have a deal.
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Feb 22, 2021 01:08
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Wrong thread!
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Feb 22, 2021 01:11
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Wheeee posted:The series all take place almost entirely within the confines of a strictly hierarchical and authoritarian leadership structure modeled after modern military organization yeah but like there's only so much you can do in syndication you know
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Star Trek sucks and is extremely loving boringAtrocious Joe posted:Disney is promoting anarchists as cool and dangerous because in the US the ideology isn't very dangerous to the ruling class. That the CIA aligned Daily Beast is boasting these claims is further evidence against anarchism being very threatening. 
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Also it seems like they went all out with the Malthusian propaganda in those Avengers movies
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