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swickles posted:I feelnits disinguine to say the Hilk brought back everyone safely but also Thanos's actions led to more than a 50% death rate. All the stones together confer omniscientents as well as omnipotence, so snapping out birds and bugs probably wasn't an issue. In fact it probably solved a lot of endangered species since the breeding pairs were survived Honestly, the writers should of basically kept it to all sentient life because "half of all life of all species" seems like the ecological devastation is too much. Also, i think they could of explored a little bit that Thanos didn't put himself in the random genocide because he clearly used the stones to survive. I KNOW why he had to from a narrative stand point but it would of been an interesting way to end his quest.
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Mooseontheloose posted:Honestly, the writers should of basically kept it to all sentient life because "half of all life of all species" seems like the ecological devastation is too much. Also, i think they could of explored a little bit that Thanos didn't put himself in the random genocide because he clearly used the stones to survive. I KNOW why he had to from a narrative stand point but it would of been an interesting way to end his quest. I don't know how much there is to explore. Thanos couldn't include himself in the people he killed because if he did then the heroes would just pick up the stones from where they fell and undo what he did. The only way to make sure what he did stayed done was to destroy the stones after he'd done it.
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Feb 24, 2021 15:29
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Mooseontheloose posted:Honestly, the writers should of basically kept it to all sentient life because "half of all life of all species" seems like the ecological devastation is too much. Also, i think they could of explored a little bit that Thanos didn't put himself in the random genocide because he clearly used the stones to survive. I KNOW why he had to from a narrative stand point but it would of been an interesting way to end his quest. My recollection is that everyone at Marvel says that Thanos didn't exclude himself, he just got lucky with the coin toss.
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Feb 24, 2021 15:51
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I think there has to be some level of intelligent execution going on when using the stones. They might be alive in the comics? Anyway - if there wasn't, you'd have to be like "okay, and make sure you move the air out of the way before rematerializing this person, because if you don't they would either die or explode"
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Feb 24, 2021 15:54
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Mooseontheloose posted:Honestly, the writers should of basically kept it to all sentient life because "half of all life of all species" seems like the ecological devastation is too much. Also, i think they could of explored a little bit that Thanos didn't put himself in the random genocide because he clearly used the stones to survive. I KNOW why he had to from a narrative stand point but it would of been an interesting way to end his quest. I'm pretty sure you're meant to recognize that Thanos was wrong and didn't think past "balance". Like, yes, he caused untold ecological and social devastation. That's the point. That's why he's the villain that they're going so far as to invent time travel to stop.
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Feb 24, 2021 16:00
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seaborgium posted:It's dumb, but I remember the press around the time of the films. They said it was something Thanos thought he needed to do, basically a psychological tick so he wouldn't accidentally access the power. If it was just every thought like "Hey, I'd like some ice cream" and then all of sudden 5 tons of mint chocolate chip landed on him that would be bad for him. Having to snap his fingers allowed him to concentrate on the thing he wanted done. All the heroes were probably doing the same thing. It was said that they had to put a gesture behind the use of the Stones for the sake of not making Thanos TOO overpowered. Every time he uses the Gauntlet before having the full set, he activates the Stones by clenching his fist. During the fight on Titan, you can see him unable to use his powers when his hand is forced open. If all he needed was his thoughts, then the fight would have been extra pointless.
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Feb 24, 2021 17:11
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chitoryu12 posted:I'm pretty sure you're meant to recognize that Thanos was wrong and didn't think past "balance". Like, yes, he caused untold ecological and social devastation. That's the point. That's why he's the villain that they're going so far as to invent time travel to stop. Thing is, the whole idea that they basically go 'we're not going to prevent it in the first place, we live with the consequences' gets kinda silly.
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Feb 24, 2021 17:42
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It's a comic book movie. Arguing about why the green radioactive guy, the unfrozen guy from WW2, and the Norse god of thunder didn't use time travel to stop the giant purple guy with a magic glove before he turn half of the universe into dust is inherently silly.
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Snackmar posted:I think there has to be some level of intelligent execution going on when using the stones. They might be alive in the comics? Anyway - if there wasn't, you'd have to be like "okay, and make sure you move the air out of the way before rematerializing this person, because if you don't they would either die or explode" But this is what I'm saying about them being able to do literally anything. They don't have to be 'alive' (although yeah I'm pretty sure people live in them and stuff in the comics) or intelligent, you can just make the wish "do what I want but do it right, how I want it". Given that you don't have to say anything out loud, they clearly work on intention, and again, they can do anything, so "How would that work" doesn't matter, because "have it come out my way without me knowing how that would work" falls under 'anything'. It literally doesn't matter if the physics doesn't work, they change REALITY ITSELF so that it does. The only weird part that you can actually nitpick is that Thanos didn't add any "no backsies" elements to it, like having everyone immediately come around to his view as well. But any of these sorts of mistakes, with the stones doing something "weaker" than they should, like Iron Man dying in the process (just wish yourself more powerful first, idiot) you can hand wave as a failing of the character, so they don't hold any water. But any time you think "it wouldn't work like that" yes, it would, because they also wished that it would work like that.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Thing is, the whole idea that they basically go 'we're not going to prevent it in the first place, we live with the consequences' gets kinda silly. Eh I get it with their theory of time travel, they can't prevent it, it already happened. All they can do is restore the people who were unceremoniously killed.
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Feb 24, 2021 17:52
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Mooseontheloose posted:Eh I get it with their theory of time travel, they can't prevent it, it already happened. All they can do is restore the people who were unceremoniously killed. It’s less that, especially since their theory was shown to be wrong, and more that preventing the snap makes Tony’s daughter cease to exist. Which he very understandably won’t even consider.
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Feb 24, 2021 18:10
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Phylodox posted:It’s less that, especially since their theory was shown to be wrong, and more that preventing the snap makes Tony’s daughter cease to exist. Which he very understandably won’t even consider. Not just Tony's daughter. Every living creature that has been born in those last five years would cease to exist. It would be mass murder on galactic scale, which is why the heroes don't do that.
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Feb 24, 2021 18:18
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Daddy Thanos is a himbo, not very smart. Very strong, but not too bright
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Feb 24, 2021 18:41
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!Klams posted:But any of these sorts of mistakes, with the stones doing something "weaker" than they should, like Iron Man dying in the process (just wish yourself more powerful first, idiot) you can hand wave as a failing of the character, so they don't hold any water. I just view that as a condition like the soul stone has, and you have to be strong enough to survive using them or die for the wish to come true. So you could wish yourself strong enough, but it'd only improve your corpse, because that one condition can't be overcome; just like anyone killed by the soul stone can't be revived.
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The third Tom Holland Spider-Man movie just got an official title of "Spider-Man: No Way Home" with this image: (Note the numerous hexes throughout the image)
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Klungar posted:The third Tom Holland Spider-Man movie just got an official title of "Spider-Man: No Way Home" with this image: Huh, look at the branching lines coming off the hexagons. I wonder if that’s the visual representation they’ll use for mapping divergent universes.
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Feb 24, 2021 19:09
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Hello I would like a low-stakes Spider-Man movie where he takes on Scorpion or Kraven or Chameleon and nobody else with no cameos from other Marvel characters and no tying up of plot threads from other movies, please. Thanks.
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Klungar posted:The third Tom Holland Spider-Man movie just got an official title of "Spider-Man: No Way Home" with this image: I'm ngl, I'm cackling at all the discarded quarantine references and the angry comments attached. That's how you do black humor.
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feedmyleg posted:Hello I would like a low-stakes Spider-Man movie where he takes on Scorpion or Kraven or Chameleon and nobody else with no cameos from other Marvel characters and no tying up of plot threads from other movies, please. Thanks. I'm sorry, that's not on the menu. Can we give you a Spider-Man movie with all the Spiders-Men?
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Mooseontheloose posted:I'm sorry, that's not on the menu. Can we give you a Spider-Man movie with all the Spiders-Men? Okay as long as Spiders-Man doesn't show up.
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Zil posted:Okay as long as Spiders-Man doesn't show up. Mods ban this filth
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I had wondered if Disney+ was going to double up Star Wars and MCU series releases on the same day of the week, seems like that will be the case, with both Bad Batch and Loki hitting on Fridays. Unless Bad Batch ends up being way shorter than we think, or split into 6-7 episodes release phases, with a few month breaks in between.
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Edmund Lava posted:Mods ban this filth Never forget.
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I don't know why, but "Unusual Features: A hive-mind of thousands of spiders with the memories of Peter Parker" is really funny to me.
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Edmund Lava posted:Mods ban this filth What can I say, I'm an arachnophobic and the character art always freaks me out.
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Organic Lube User posted:But if it was half of all life across the board, how many survivors were suddenly cured of diseases as enough of an infection was snapped out of their bodies to allow their immune systems a chance (and then they die of some other aspect of societal collapse)? Like others have noted, the Stones aren't monkey's paws or inhabited by legalistic djinns or daemons. Assuming that channeling their power doesn't instantly kill you before you make your "snap" you get the letter and spirit of your wish. with the only direct consequences being those that you specify. Note "direct consequences." Indirect consequences and fatalities are still possible (A guy lived in a house and was Snapped. Five years later another couple lives there. The guy suddenly appears and the couple shoots him thinking that he's a burglar. Meanwhile, regarding the Snap, didn't that start as a metaphor? When/why did it morph into an actual physical requirement for the Stones' use? What, somebody gives you an Infiinity Gauntlet but cuts your thumbs off so you can't use it? How stupid is that?
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Everyone posted:What, somebody gives you an Infiinity Gauntlet but cuts your thumbs off so you can't use it? How stupid is that? Once again energy beings get the shaft. Marsupial Ape posted:Would Spider-Mans-Man be a body horror concept? Cameron's version toyed with body horror for regular ol Spider-Man.
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Zil posted:I'm an arachnophobic have you considered just maybe not doing that
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Klungar posted:The third Tom Holland Spider-Man movie just got an official title of "Spider-Man: No Way Home" with this image: Those are literally chemicals. Peter makes his own webfluid, and chemistry is built on a ton of 6 membered rings. Pretty sure it's just to show it's sciencey rather than a reference to Wanda.
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seaborgium posted:Those are literally chemicals. Peter makes his own webfluid, and chemistry is built on a ton of 6 membered rings. Pretty sure it's just to show it's sciencey rather than a reference to Wanda. I thought that, too, but I would prefer it to be a Wanda reference. This is America and I have a right to impose my emotionally satisfying version of reality on you. Marsupial Ape fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Feb 24, 2021 |
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Ok, so, today Film Robert posted a video, and while he is a shithead on social media who Lindsay Ellis hilarious destroyed, I still enjoy his actual content. So I watched it, and it had two very interesting speculations for Wandavision based on some very deep-cut Comics Lore, and I thought I would share them in spoilers here because I find them very interesting and the second one at least potentially insanely huge: 1) The Yomagic Yogurt commercial where the kid wastes away trying to open the food the shark gives him was a clue about Agatha's ultimate plan. She, the Shark, has being creating problems for Wanda that force her to expend more and more of her powers to keep the Hex going, so that she would eventually have nothing left to protect herself or anyone else inside from Agatha. More importantly, in the 2013 Vision comic series (which was about Vision and other robots living in the suburbs) Agatha became associated with a plant called a Vundergore Everbloom, which if you feed it to someone and then kill them and consume the partially digested plant will give you the power to see the future. Some version of that may be what those purple vines are, and may be her ultimate desire for Wanda and/or The Twins. 2) Most of us noticed that Agatha's house is surrounded by purple flowers, the same color as her magic. Wanda's house happens to be surrounded exclusively by red and pink flowers. And there is one other character who's been associated with flowers: Dottie Jones. This episode revealed that Dottie's flowers around her house are all Yellow. And it just so happens that in Marvel there is a blonde-haired female magic user with yellow-colored magic powers who's last name is Jones AND WHO'S HUSBAND'S NAME IS PHIL. That magic use is Arcana, member of the Squadron Supreme. Which by the by is a name that Marvel trademarked several months back on the sly and never made any announcements about So yeah. That's all pretty interesting in a nerd catnip kind of way.
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Sanguinia posted:
I just looked up Arcanna’s wikipedia. She has four dead children. Huh...”for the children”, indeed
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seaborgium posted:Those are literally chemicals. Peter makes his own webfluid, and chemistry is built on a ton of 6 membered rings. Pretty sure it's just to show it's sciencey rather than a reference to Wanda. Well two of the hexagons are chemicals, bottom right benzene and top 2-hydroxybenzoic acid (I think?), 2-hydroxybenzoic acid is used in anti-acne cream so that could be a joke or coincidence or I got the chemical wrong I dunno I'm not a chemist. The other hexagon sets don't appear to be chemicals, the one by home sweet home and the one by homesick. Could be a sneaky reference to alternate universes or just some other sciency stuff. EDIT: Oh there's another benzene related chemical on the far left I didn't notice, can't tell what it is. Xachariah fucked around with this message at 20:22 on Feb 24, 2021 |
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Xachariah posted:Well two of the hexagons are chemicals, bottom right benzene and top 2-hydroxybenzoic acid (I think?), 2-hydroxybenzoic acid is used in anti-acne cream so that could be a joke or coincidence or I got the chemical wrong I dunno I'm not a chemist. Those other two you're talking about are a substituted cyclohexyl ring and some sort of fused ring system. If you want to think they're just hexagons that's fine, but I don't think it has anything to do with the Hex from WandaVision. The far left one looks like an aromatic ring with some non-carbons in it, but it's too blurry to identify. Maybe a substituted pyridine or something like that.
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Everyone posted:Like others have noted, the Stones aren't monkey's paws or inhabited by legalistic djinns or daemons. Assuming that channeling their power doesn't instantly kill you before you make your "snap" you get the letter and spirit of your wish. with the only direct consequences being those that you specify. Note "direct consequences." Indirect consequences and fatalities are still possible (A guy lived in a house and was Snapped. Five years later another couple lives there. The guy suddenly appears and the couple shoots him thinking that he's a burglar. It was a dramatic flourish that Thanos used to show off to Mistress Death what he was doing for her, IMO. All of the universe/reality altering stuff he did later in the comic didn't need anything but focusing (and a speech bubble because comics after all)
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seaborgium posted:Those other two you're talking about are a substituted cyclohexyl ring and some sort of fused ring system. If you want to think they're just hexagons that's fine, but I don't think it has anything to do with the Hex from WandaVision. Well it doesn't really matter if it is a cheeky reference or not, it's already heavily rumoured Spiderman 3 involves a multiverse, along with Multiverse of Madness and potential multiverse in WandaVision, everything is multiverses anyway. Far left could be 2,4-Dibromophenol which is "found in certain molluscs and crustaceans" so obviously this whole thing is teasing the existence of CRAB PEOPLE in Spiderman 3.
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Xachariah posted:Far left could be 2,4-Dibromophenol which is "found in certain molluscs and crustaceans" so obviously this whole thing is teasing the existence of CRAB PEOPLE in Spiderman 3. We already know Charlie Cox is showing up, why not Mike Colter too?
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