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CoolCab posted:i don't get in a lot of fights before i've left the jumpship. Well not with that attitude you don’t.
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Shipon posted:Just in time manufacturing will never fail us! Lets just pocket the savings and give our wonderful intelligent CEOs massive bonuses because nothing will ever cause a disruption in supply chains Not really sure JIT manufacturing ever properly applied to an industry where setting up new manufacturing is done on the time scale of 5-10 years, if not more. A big reason we're in this mess is because other fabs looked at the cost of shooting for sub-10nm and went "lol, $10B+, nah, we good." The risk of investing that much in a fab an then potentially not having demand enough to recoup costs means that no one really wanted to accidentally over-build. Also Intel hosed the pooch bad. Repeatedly.
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Shipon posted:Just in time manufacturing will never fail us! Lets just pocket the savings and give our wonderful intelligent CEOs massive bonuses because nothing will ever cause a disruption in supply chains Funnily enough Toyota, which invented JIT manufacturing, chose to not cancel their orders and said a couple weeks ago that unlike every other car company they expect to not have any production problems because they've been stockpiling the chips they need.
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hobbesmaster posted:Car companies have had to idle production because they couldn't get chips in time. Thats a much larger impact than anything from the cloud providers so far. Ah I see. I'd be pleasantly surprised if they actually start an initiative to build semiconductor foundries. This could have the side effect of helping prevent future gpu shortages worldwide. But I don't think it'll happen. There's no short term benefit, and it's too costly in the middle of a pandemic-stunted economy.
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I watched the German MEDION Erazor - Aldi Pc launch, it sold out within minutes. Site was unavailable, Scalpers won again. https://www.pcgameshardware.de/Notebook_Laptop-Hardware-201330/News/Medion-Erazer-Engineer-X10-1367502/ Surprise, 1499 Euro for a 10700K, 32 GB, 1 TB SSD, 3070 and Win10 Home including 3 year warranty pickup&return. Similar systems start about 2000 Euro over here. That’s the starting bid on eBay tomorrow where the scalpers will unload their prey.
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Feb 25, 2021 00:25
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https://www.newsweek.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3060-release-time-date-best-tips-order-1571293 Is there better info than this for trying to get a 3060 at MSRP tonight?
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Aaaaaand 1 hour later the first is listed on eBay lol. Obviously with 33% “margin”.
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gary oldmans diary posted:https://www.newsweek.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3060-release-time-date-best-tips-order-1571293
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FilthyImp posted:If you manage to cart one at BestBuy, don't bother with instore and go straight to delivery?
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Feb 25, 2021 01:10
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just saw the benches for the 3060 and the card looks pretty bad? the performance tiering for Ampere has been uneven - i always lol at the notion Nvidia is this hyper-rational operator that extracts the right amount of rent for every product they sell
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Surprising no one: https://twitter.com/verge/status/1364725212114268170 You could also read this as scalpers made almost twice that reselling cards 
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Feb 25, 2021 01:20
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shrike82 posted:just saw the benches for the 3060 and the card looks pretty bad? I guess that’s intentional, hence leaving a spot for a 3060 Super
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Feb 25, 2021 01:21
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not like it matters to human buyers but here are the newegg 3060 listings https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007709%20601361654
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Feb 25, 2021 01:26
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Ah, the infamous out of stock Ampere edition.
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Mr.PayDay posted:I guess that’s intentional, hence leaving a spot for a 3060 Super
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shrike82 posted:just saw the benches for the 3060 and the card looks pretty bad? The card lands kinda lower on the stack than I expected - I suppose they can slot a 3060 Super between it and the Ti that'll be closer to the 5700XT or 1080Ti At this rate, the 3050 is going to be a 1660/1650-grade card, which is still a nice upgrade, but the pricing being as whack as it is is going to make value judgements difficult
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Feb 25, 2021 01:41
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a poo poo ton of people in the the snailbot discord just manually checked out the 3080 tuf at B&H. It must have been a sizeable drop considering how few orders go through usually.
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Feb 25, 2021 01:43
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FilthyImp posted:Is it like "get a 1070" bad? i would eyeball it as around a 1080? but then you're not getting any of the RTX features and 300-330 bucks for a 1080 is actually incredible right now, lol.
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Feb 25, 2021 01:46
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8-bit Miniboss posted:Surprising no one: no one except The Verge seemingly. like, NVIDIA's pumpin 'em out (up until the last 2 weeks when Lunar New Year screwed everything up), and Steam numbers were ticking upwards, of course they're making money. But people can't accept that demand is just insane even apart from mining flaring up again
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i have always been somewhat sceptical of pointing to mining as a major part of why the entire GPU stack was struggling- like, cpu mining is not really a thing (since i last paid any attention to crypto) but the new ryzen chips are also loving impossible to find. you can't mine on ps5s nor the new xboxes afaik but they're also impossible to find. i think mining is making a non-trivial chunk of demand don't get me wrong and particular cards were hit super hard (i want to say the 3060ti was a sweet spot for mining but i don't know enough to understand why) but i suspect the 30 launch would have been a total clusterfuck even had bitcoin remained a sparkle in satoshi nakamoto's eye. pandemic means demand for pc equipment has never been higher and has disrupted supply in various direct and indirect ways. honestly i suspect automated purchasing towards speculation is the particular new technological hotness that is driving this social ill.
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It's definitely gotten worse in the past 2-3 months but even when ETH mining wasn't very worth it back in October/November, it was still quite difficult to find a card. AMD still has to compete with Microsoft and Sony for wafer space and Ryzen is also affected greatly by that, even absent any ability to mine (correct, CPU mining is not a thing). Besides the point but scalpers and miners are born out of the same parasitic rent-seeking behavior by people desperate to make a buck. As long as the economy is this precarious for so many you're gonna keep seeing this.
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CoolCab posted:i have always been somewhat sceptical of pointing to mining as a major part of why the entire GPU stack was struggling- like, cpu mining is not really a thing (since i last paid any attention to crypto) but the new ryzen chips are also loving impossible to find. The 5900x and 5950x are still hard to find, but the 5600/5800x are readily available. You can't even buy a low end old turd video card right now.
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I've been looking to get a new card for months and I have finally given up. I'm just going to use my 6gb 1060 until the end of the year at this rate haha.
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Shipon posted:Besides the point but scalpers and miners are born out of the same parasitic rent-seeking behavior by people desperate to make a buck. As long as the economy is this precarious for so many you're gonna keep seeing this. do you really think it's desperation motivating most of these people?
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Inept posted:The 5900x and 5950x are still hard to find, but the 5600/5800x are readily available. AMD has definitely been spending more of its finite wafer allotment on CPU demand than GPUs, and that makes all the sense in the world. A $450 5800X uses ~81mm2 of wafer space. A $580 reference RX 6800 uses 520mm2 of wafer, and also requires a long bill of materials including memory, VRM, a beefy heatsink, and even a bigger box which, plus the weight, means way higher international shipping costs which are extremely inflated at the moment.
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Shipon posted:It's definitely gotten worse in the past 2-3 months but even when ETH mining wasn't very worth it back in October/November, it was still quite difficult to find a card. AMD still has to compete with Microsoft and Sony for wafer space and Ryzen is also affected greatly by that, even absent any ability to mine (correct, CPU mining is not a thing). nvidia estimates 2-6% of sales were to miners, not a lot https://finance.yahoo.com/finance/news/nvidia-estimates-ethereum-miners-contributed-002107587.html how they estimated that is unknown. Likely totaling hashing power added compared to cards sold over q4. supply was bad, still is bad, will probably continue being bad
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64bit_Dophins posted:I've been looking to get a new card for months and I have finally given up.
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Fauxtool posted:nvidia estimates 2-6% of sales were to miners, not a lot I want to see their estimate for scalpers
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The Gadfly posted:I want to see their estimate for scalpers some quick napkin math and im looking at 94-98%
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oh i wouldn't guess anywhere near that amount. no more than a third, i'd guess? tons of them went to preorders and other places - demand really has been bonkers. of course it becomes more obscured because it might be miners who are buying these scalped cards - they have the most financial incentive to overpay for a card now rather than wait. unless you mean the FE versions where, yes pretty much all of those went to scalpers i'd bet. scalpers i don't know, now, retail partners - they've made a buck here good lord. i don't exactly understand how RRP is enforced but the first R there seems to have gone well out the window with most AIB cards.
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i think half or more for resellers is realistic right now but it wasnt that way earlier. Even if you bought the gpu for your own use the money is too easy and tempting. Not many people would turn down doubling 700-1000 dollars.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I sold my EVGA one of those cards from my last PC and got $250. That was a month ago. They are now going for $300-350. Everything is completely insane. That's completely insane. I have the ASUS one.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I sold my EVGA one of those cards from my last PC and got $250. That was a month ago. They are now going for $300-350. Everything is completely insane. My 1660 super is now going for over $500 on ebay, up from $400 a couple of weeks ago.
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I paid $225 two years ago for my 1070 and looking at the completed/sold ebay listings, it's now worth twice that.
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Shipon posted:It's definitely gotten worse in the past 2-3 months but even when ETH mining wasn't very worth it back in October/November, it was still quite difficult to find a card. AMD still has to compete with Microsoft and Sony for wafer space and Ryzen is also affected greatly by that, even absent any ability to mine (correct, CPU mining is not a thing). Isn't that more AMD competing with...AMD since they're doing the SOCs for both Sony and Microsoft?
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FuturePastNow posted:I paid $225 two years ago for my 1070 and looking at the completed/sold ebay listings, it's now worth twice that. You know this makes you an expert investor right? Could you tell me how to invest my money? Thanks! Duck and Cover fucked around with this message at 05:13 on Feb 25, 2021 |
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To throw another stick on the pile: Samsung, TSMC chip production at risk amid water shortages Samsung's S2 Fab in Austin, Texas. Which already had to cease production due to the rolling power blackouts is now suffering from a water shortage due to the freezing of local rivers and water supply networks. Taiwan meanwhile is in serve drought and the government has ordered rationing due to the water reservoir falling below 20%. TSMC is contracting water trucks to try to maintain production levels at it's factories.
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OhFunny posted:To throw another stick on the pile: Samsung, TSMC chip production at risk amid water shortages Apparently typhoons have their uses
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OhFunny posted:To throw another stick on the pile: Samsung, TSMC chip production at risk amid water shortages  can't wait to see how much higher GPU prices can go up
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