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indigi posted:this seems pretty meaningless given that virtually none of these countries on either side have stellar human rights records. there’s like a handful on China’s side I guess that are pretty good recently it's more that one would think at the very minimum you'd see at least one major Muslim nation not actively supporting China's system if it was actually a Muslim ethnic cleansing. Also obvious joke about how countries like, say, France treat their Muslim population making their condemning seem a bit hollow.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:The concept of genocide doesn't just cover mass murder. Don’t forget organ harvesting and cannibalism 
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Megillah Gorilla posted:The concept of genocide doesn't just cover mass murder. Doens't genocide literally just mean "the attempt to eliminate the biological substance of a people", it's not a normative term at all, simply descriptive. So forced sterilization is genocide, as is rape and forced marriages, but everything else is just "language policy."
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Megillah Gorilla posted:The concept of genocide doesn't just cover mass murder. drat that's crazy
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sexpig by night posted:it's more that one would think at the very minimum you'd see at least one major Muslim nation not actively supporting China's system if it was actually a Muslim ethnic cleansing. a comparison to France should probably be seen as, itself, insulting
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Vasukhani posted:Doens't genocide literally just mean "the attempt to eliminate the biological substance of a people", it's not a normative term at all, simply descriptive. So forced sterilization is genocide, as is rape and forced marriages, but everything else is just "language policy." Obviously the "destruction of the whole" definition puts far more cases under the genocide category, but it is not like a fringe definition. Hell, the fact that a wider definition starts throwing countries like France into the genocidal pile might be part of the resistance to the wider definition.
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The UN definition of genocide is very explicit about things like stealing children to be raised in another culture and forbidding the teaching of ritual or languages associated with a people counting as genocide.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:If you're going by etymology, the destruction of the whole is all that's required, as the thing being killed is the group. A "language/cultural policy" that destroys the notion of the nation among the group will have successfully destroyed the "tribe/clan", even if no member has been killed, raped, or subjected to forced marriage. I mean, with that wider definition every nation-state, except maybe small islands, is fundamentally genocidal, not just france, but any country that claims to have national, rather than just political borders.
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Vasukhani posted:I mean, with that wider definition every nation-state, except maybe small islands, is fundamentally genocidal, not just france, but any country that claims to have national, rather than just political borders.
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admittedly that statement had a western Eurasian focus, but national sovereignty means you remove nonmembers kinda by definition Keep in mind this is just the map of the majority language in each area wisconsingreg has issued a correction as of 07:29 on Feb 25, 2021 |
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Internet Wizard posted:I’m gonna need a list of genocides in order of how spicy denial of that genocide is "It's not a genocide if you can use it to own the libs " - CSPAM rulebook, §1
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steinrokkan posted:It's not a genocide if you like it. If you like your genocide, you can keep it
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Vasukhani posted:admittedly that statement had a western Eurasian focus, but national sovereignty means you remove nonmembers kinda by definition
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A Buttery Pastry posted:It doesn’t. It just means you design the state around the nation, but you can totally leave small communities alone to do their thing. Obviously these communities have to be small enough that they’re beneath notice/not perceived as a threat to the integrity of the state, which depends on some level on the goodwill of the majority. Hence Germany still having a small community of native Slavs right near its capital, despite having been through two different periods of genocidal policies. I will give you that that applies to tiny minorities, but any area that is majority minority will always be seen as a threat to national integrety. Hell, in 1945 the western allies endorsed ethnic cleansing as a solution to national disputes.
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https://twitter.com/akoz33/status/1232052037652754432Megillah Gorilla posted:The concept of genocide doesn't just cover mass murder. Would love to see proof of any of this happening in China while simultaenously seeing proof that it isn't happening in basically every single country of the Western world but especially Australia and the United States and Canada and the UK and
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I've seen that word-for-word before oh lol it's from a year ago
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Apoplexy posted:https://twitter.com/akoz33/status/1232052037652754432 cspam brain
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i love this take so loving much
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please knock Mom! posted:cspam brain Here I was thinking that saying the dreaded ableist R-Slur was against the rules now Or did you mean the Polish guy saying literacy is haram. Because that's definitely just online leftism in a nutshell. Reading theory? HEH. Sir, I have a podcast... Apoplexy has issued a correction as of 11:37 on Feb 25, 2021 |
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making sure my kids never learn to read to own the tankies
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Vasukhani posted:Doens't genocide literally just mean "the attempt to eliminate the biological substance of a people", it's not a normative term at all, simply descriptive. So forced sterilization is genocide, as is rape and forced marriages, but everything else is just "language policy." The concept of cultural genocide was first coined in 1944. For some reason. It's a lot more popular than the other kind of genocide because it's so much easier to get away with. Apoplexy posted:Would love to see proof of any of this happening in China while simultaenously seeing proof that it isn't happening in basically every single country of the Western world but especially Australia and the United States and Canada and the UK and Of course it's happening in Australia and the United States and Canada and the UK and Here in Australia we had the Stolen Generation where Aboriginal children were taken from their families under the flimsiest of pretexts to live with white families, given European names and forbidden from speaking their own languages and practising their own culture. This on top of the violent genocides where they were just shot or poisoned with cyanide. The examples of genocide go on and on across all of the world, across all of history. And today, as well. Yet, somehow Pooh Bear's brutally authoritarian police state which is happy to lock you up forever at the drop of a jar of honey is somehow immune? Megillah Gorilla has issued a correction as of 13:02 on Feb 25, 2021 |
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Lol at this Atlantic council coward locking the replies https://twitter.com/b_judah/status/1364358769732370433?s=19
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Chamale posted:Muslim countries support or are neutral on China's treatment of Uyghurs. The countries criticizing them for it are all US allies. lmao
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Chamale posted:Muslim countries support or are neutral on China's treatment of Uyghurs. The countries criticizing them for it are all US allies. lol
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Yet, somehow Pooh Bear's brutally authoritarian police state which is happy to lock you up forever at the drop of a jar of honey is somehow immune? Sauce pls
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"How can you criticize Biden when Trump was also bad" - moron poo poo "How can you criticize Chinese genocide when the US is also bad" - hell yeah. HELL YEAH
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love to see western leftists repeatedly run towards the football of us regime change propaganda because they maintain an implicit bias against the global west, find out is was the most shoddily scraped together fabrication, shake their fist at wapo/nyt/voa, then suspiciously eye a perfectly fair election in Latin America.
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Vasukhani posted:I mean, with that wider definition every nation-state, except maybe small islands, is fundamentally genocidal, not just france, but any country that claims to have national, rather than just political borders. … Go on.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:"How can you criticize Biden when Trump was also bad" - moron poo poo hope you used reusable straws for this man
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China is the Joe Biden of communism
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Chamale posted:Muslim countries support or are neutral on China's treatment of Uyghurs. The countries criticizing them for it are all US allies. lmao
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flavius gently caress off you are a dog poo poo mod go gently caress off to DnD
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paul_soccer12 posted:flavius gently caress off you are a dog poo poo mod go gently caress off to DnD Yeah, we just want to appreciate concentration camps in peace, without loving libs telling us that we should feel bad about rape and genocide of indigenous people.
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steinrokkan you are also a bad poster sincerely, a bad poster
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christmas boots posted:China is the Joe Biden of communism
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Anyone who denies that Joe Biden is currently committing genocide in America should get a sixer, too. Prisons that disproportionately jail minorities are bad, but acting as if China is uniquely guilty is laughable. Don't fall for Cold War II propaganda. Meanwhile, America's disastrous covid policy has killed 1 in 30 Hispanic seniors, 1 in 50 Black seniors, and only 1 in 250 White seniors.
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i think islamophobia is bad regardless of who's doing it
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steinrokkan posted:Yeah, we just want to appreciate concentration camps in peace, without loving libs telling us that we should feel bad about rape and genocide of indigenous people. tell us more about how saddam had nukes and morales didn’t win his election
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