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uber_stoat posted:"but we would never have supported the legislation without the minimum wage increase" said AOC. How come the rest of the stuff in the $1.9T relief bill doesn't count for you? The thing saves people put out of work due to the Coronavirus from homelessness and complete financial obliteration, but you think that it's going to depress turnout because some people on Twitter are up in arms about getting $1400 instead of $2000 in free money? All while the GOP used every vote they have to say "no" to anything and everything in the bill, and are currently using the excuse that "government spending is bad" and think it will resonate with the electorate.
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bedpan posted:We are all ears for the method you suggest would successfully pressure those two Senators to vote the way you want. What method would you suggest to successfully pressure progressive Senators to vote the way you want
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you see how treating senators like an immutable force of nature is loving stupid
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Are you fuckers getting doomtrained again or is bedpan actually a moron? I can't even tell now myself
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Yinlock posted:What method would you suggest to successfully pressure progressive Senators to vote the way you want ok, finish the thought. you have a 50-50 senate, and need to deliver real, actionable things to voters before your next election. you either: 1) pass the stuff you can pass with 50 votes 2) you don't which choice does your logic suggest you take people aren't suggesting that democrats shape their policy around what is good for joe manchin keeping his political career. people are saying that democrats need to shape their policy around what joe manchin will vote for. and one of the things that joe manchin is going to consider is what is good for joe manchin. that it would be advantageous for democrats to leave manchin for dead by having him vote for all sorts of stuff that means he'll lose in 2024 is an irrelevancy because democrats don't get to decide how manchin votes; he does.
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bedpan posted:ok, finish the thought. you have a 50-50 senate, and need to deliver real, actionable things to voters before your next election. you either: Do you have anything to offer other than excuses for why its ok not to expect good things?
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Feb 26, 2021 23:19
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Killin_Like_Bronson posted:Do you have anything to offer other than excuses for why its ok not to expect good things? The moral of Oliver Twist was that he shouldn’t have ever asked for more in the first place.
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Killin_Like_Bronson posted:Do you have anything to offer other than excuses for why its ok not to expect good things? ok, you think passing a "watered down" bill will lead to republicans taking control. what do you believe passing no bill will do. we'll ignore your religious belief that there's a magic "make manchin do what we want" button, because that's obviously just magical thinking trying to paper over the obvious hole in your logic How in the world is $600 less in stimulus and a $15 minimum wage hike axed by the parliamentarian (not by compromise) "watered down into oblivion"? Is it just because you don't need all the rest of the stuff in the bill?
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Yinlock posted:you saw it with ftv too, previously thought to be normal people losing their fuckin minds because a good idea didn't go through the Woke Council for approval yeah lol, I’m glad that poo poo happened though because it was very helpful at outing people who aren’t really on my side
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bedpan i wish you a speedy recovery on your tbi, i'm hoping we can soon all laugh at your posts in retrospect together
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wheres that one dude who was also doing this thing and who also revealed that he was some establishment liberal elemental
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look fellas I know the prison warden said he'd be giving us two pudding cups with supper but it looks like we're just getting one. be grateful, we could be gettin nothing!!!
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if you voted for biden, you did everything in your power to spit on Khashoggi's grave  (obviously you didnt ipo) v oh wait what was he a piece of poo poo? I assumed he was just a typical journalist Ruzihm has issued a correction as of 23:32 on Feb 26, 2021 |
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bedpan posted:currently using the excuse that "government spending is bad" and think it will resonate with the electorate. this is what democrats believe
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Ruzihm posted:if you voted for biden, you did everything in your power to spit on Khashoggi's grave we should spit on his grave, along with not voting for Biden.
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bedpan posted:ok, you think passing a "watered down" bill will lead to republicans taking control. what do you believe passing no bill will do. Republicans passed bad bills all year last year and gave Americans more personally than democrats are willing to. Everyone can pass bad bills so why are you lining up to jerk them off for it?
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holy poo poo this is a thousand times worse than doing nothing, saying nothing YOU CAN KILL AND DISMEMBER PEOPLE, ITS FINE, YOU ARE OUR FRIEND
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Killin_Like_Bronson posted:Republicans passed bad bills all year last year and gave Americans more personally than democrats are willing to. Everyone can pass bad bills so why are you lining up to jerk them off for it? This really isn't true and the COVID bill should prove that. There have been numerous takes from journalists saying how much the makeup of the Dem's and their thinking has evolved in the past 10 years. The bill that's about to go through reconciliation would have been impossible with the Dems in leadership a decade ago. Change is happening - Bernie Sanders is about to get a $15 minimum wage passed and is accepted as a fundamental part of Dem leadership now, that was unthinkable 5 years ago.
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bedpan posted:ok, you think passing a "watered down" bill will lead to republicans taking control. what do you believe passing no bill will do. It's a circus and a sham and the button that makes people do good things is labelled "threat and force" which we are not allowed to do materially or physically and now not even politically. Any approved mechanism for change has been sealed off from the lower classes by the ruling class worldwide but they carry on this puppet show because so many people are fooled and distracted by it into exhausted complacency while brainwashed rubes talk about procedure and democracy and our hallowed rules and institutions, never fully understanding that they are part of the smoke and mirrors that assist in the oppression of the whole world. Shipon posted:I laughed at the maoist third-worldists in the LF days but drat if I don't see where they were coming from these days they were right, anyway, 
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really queer Christmas posted:Unsourced dnd quotes are so good sixty percent of the time, it works everytime
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bedpan posted:This really isn't true and the COVID bill should prove that. There have been numerous takes from journalists saying how much the makeup of the Dem's and their thinking has evolved in the past 10 years. The bill that's about to go through reconciliation would have been impossible with the Dems in leadership a decade ago. Change is happening - Bernie Sanders is about to get a $15 minimum wage passed and is accepted as a fundamental part of Dem leadership now, that was unthinkable 5 years ago. Your username is overflowing
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World War Mammories posted:yeah, you might even say they should force it sounds like grifter talk to me 
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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:holy poo poo this is a thousand times worse than doing nothing, saying nothing It's harm reduction to let MBS do arm reduction.
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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:holy poo poo this is a thousand times worse than doing nothing, saying nothing That audio of the ghoulish doctor they had talking about how he usually doesn't dismember warm corpses was sick.
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Lol "free money". Bitch that money is ours not some loving politicians'. Everyone posting here has had 500 fold stolen from us by the political elite their enabling of billionaires.
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bedpan posted:This really isn't true and the COVID bill should prove that. There have been numerous takes from journalists saying how much the makeup of the Dem's and their thinking has evolved in the past 10 years. The bill that's about to go through reconciliation would have been impossible with the Dems in leadership a decade ago. Change is happening - Bernie Sanders is about to get a $15 minimum wage passed and is accepted as a fundamental part of Dem leadership now, that was unthinkable 5 years ago.
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Strep Vote posted:It's a circus and a sham and the button that makes people do good things is labelled "threat and force" which we are not allowed to do materially or physically and now not even politically. Any approved mechanism for change has been sealed off from the lower classes by the ruling class worldwide but they carry on this puppet show because so many people are fooled and distracted by it into exhausted complacency while brainwashed rubes talk about procedure and democracy and our hallowed rules and institutions, never fully understanding that they are part of the smoke and mirrors that assist in the oppression of the whole world. Yes the Senate as an institution loving sucks and almost everyone hates it. I'd say the majority of Democrats holding office right now are very interested in changing it but you have 0% power over the ones who don't, you can't pretend that you do. This would not matter if the GOP wasn't such a terrible party that you can't even find 10 votes to pass basic aid to people in an emergency. Stop excusing the fact that our system is entirely broken due to the GOP not because of a few dumb Dem Senators. Killin_Like_Bronson posted:Your username is overflowing Is this a joke? You are going to blame the Democrats for not more aid going out when the GOP is the reason they can't do anything but a reconciliation bill that they can't use again for almost a year? The stimulus that did go out last year was due to GOP terror and even then it didn't come close to what the Democrats were asking for. The Democrats still voted for it because they knew people needed it. Then there was 8 months of nothing because the GOP ideologically hates the very idea of giving people money and they never had enough votes to do it until they were so desperate to not lose GA they put a tiny sum on the table (which Trump then backstabbed them over).
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bedpan posted:Yes the Senate as an institution loving sucks and almost everyone hates it. I'd say the majority of Democrats holding office right now are very interested in changing it but you have 0% power over the ones who don't, you can't pretend that you do. You're too loving stupid or drunk on dnc Kool-aid to understand that the democrats don't actually want to improve the lives of the working class you dolt. They're passing exactly what they want to under the rules they've set for themselves. Why are you holding their dick while they piss on the walls and telling us its art?
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bedpan posted:ok, you think passing a "watered down" bill will lead to republicans taking control. what do you believe passing no bill will do. Well, strictly speaking and without going into specifics there are absolutely "making (politician) do what you want" "buttons"
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It's amazing how far the dems have come in the last thirty years, why, in another fifty they might return to their positions of the eighties.
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Nothus posted:Yeah I was in Bolivia in 2016 working for a little outfit called USAID, you've probably never heard of them. Evo kicked USAID out in 2013 Drum's not wrong. Presumably this will be his one right opinion for the year.
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Why can't Joe Biden tell Joe Manchin how to vote? Is Joe Biden not the leader of his political party?
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Killin_Like_Bronson posted:You're too loving stupid or drunk on dnc Kool-aid to understand that the democrats don't actually want to improve the lives of the working class you dolt. They're passing exactly what they want to under the rules they've set for themselves. Why are you holding their dick while they piss on the walls and telling us its art? I care about helping people in need. I'm sad we can't do as much as I'd like, but I'll take what I can get.
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Dolphin posted:I don't give a poo poo about any of that. Manchin is what he is and it's not going to change. Using political power to persecute one's perceived enemies is Trumpism writ large. With more and more people happy with the scraps thrown on the floor nobody will ever look up off the ground.
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Animal-Mother posted:Why can't Joe Biden tell Joe Manchin how to vote? Is Joe Biden not the leader of his political party? There is nothing to be done with Manchin and Sinema other than bribing them with earmarks, promising votes on important issues for them, and wining and dining and otherwise sweet-talking them. That gives you the maximum return. It won't be everything you want, but it will be more than zero. Getting "tough" with them and cuffing them around will not make them more cooperative, it will drive them away and less cooperative. There is no leverage or strings to pull to force them to toe the line. It just makes things worse. It's not a situation to be happy about, but it's what it is in a 50-50 Senate. Every Senator is the deciding vote and the egos have to be appeased of every one of them to get anything done.
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Dolphin posted:Using political power to persecute one's perceived enemies is Trumpism writ large. Why? Do you think he invented that?
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