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quote:And to all Andalite warriors: The People expect that every warrior shall do his duty. Pretty direct reference to Horatio Nelson at Trafalgar here. Most of the comparisons to the Andalite military and government in this thread have been to the post-Cold War US, but Napoleonic Wars-era England is definitely an apt comparison as well. Particularly given their emphasis on rigid discipline and focus on naval superiority. Also I haven't read this book in a long while, so that twist legitimately just took me by surprise. And I honestly can't remember (And am excited to find out) what happens next!
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# ? Feb 26, 2021 04:56 |
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Weren't the ships in Andalite chronicles named things like "SpaceTree" and "WarHoof" and things of that nature? Or am I misremembering? If they were, it's mildly interesting that either this one has an Andalite name or maybe Ax just isn't consciously translating it. I don't think Tobias is wrong, but I do think Ax wants him to be.
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# ? Feb 26, 2021 05:09 |
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QuickbreathFinisher posted:Weren't the ships in Andalite chronicles named things like "SpaceTree" and "WarHoof" and things of that nature? Or am I misremembering? If they were, it's mildly interesting that either this one has an Andalite name or maybe Ax just isn't consciously translating it. We've run into two Dome Ships....the one that got shot down at the beginning of the series, and the one Elfangor was stationed on in Andalite Chronicles, and those were the GalaxyTree and the Starsword. We also saw Alloran's personal experimental fighter the Jahar, named after his wife. It might be that Ax isn't translating this, or it might that that this ship, which isn't a Dome Ship, but an Assault Ship (designed to land troops and support them after they landed) has different naming conventions.
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# ? Feb 26, 2021 05:17 |
If I'm gonna compare, I think Alloran is my favourite of the Andalite captains we've met so far. At least he only wanted to kill the enemy.
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# ? Feb 26, 2021 05:28 |
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Ships also don't have to follow a specific (Or obvious) naming convention. During World War II, the US Navy aircraft carriers included the Lexington, Saratoga, and Yorktown (Revolutionary War battles), Hornet and Wasp (Insects, and the names of Revolutionary War-era ships), Shangri-La (A mythical place referenced in a speech by Roosevelt as the origin of the Doolittle raid), Antitem (A Civil War battle), and of course Enterprise (Another Revolutionary War-era ship). So while there isn't any obvious connection between the name Ascalin and the other Andalite ships we've seen, that doesn't mean there isn't any. (Or, conversely, Andalite ships may not have any naming conventions at all.)
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# ? Feb 26, 2021 05:38 |
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I always thought the Ascalin turns out to have been named after an Andalite captain who doesn't appear until book 54, but after looking again, that character's name is very slightly different.
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# ? Feb 26, 2021 06:46 |
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Maybe it's just because this book is directly from Ax's POV, but the Animorphs (minus Tobias) are kind of being dicks about his torn allegiance, and IIRC will continue being dicks about it. But on the other hand, you have to cut them some slack from this being a hugely stressful situation for them, which doesn't come through because it's an Ax book and he feels mostly overjoyed and relieved to be "home" again. Like, it's one thing to be morphing animals and fighting aliens among the familiar landscape of your hometown, sleeping in your own bed every night and still going to school, but now all of a sudden they're the stranded aliens a million miles from home with no way of getting back. No matter how resilient you've become, that would be pretty hosed up! And it's a neat role reversal with Ax.quote:<There’s a lesson there, Aristh,> the T.O. said. <We Andalites are strongest when we fight alone.> Precisely because this book widens our scope of the war, it would be pretty funny if the TO is like "Oh they ended up getting aquatic shock troops from some other planet and these ones are waaaaaaaaaay worse."
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# ? Feb 26, 2021 07:21 |
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Ships also don't have to follow a specific (Or obvious) naming convention. During World War II, the US Navy aircraft carriers included the Lexington, Saratoga, and Yorktown (Revolutionary War battles), Hornet and Wasp (Insects, and the names of Revolutionary War-era ships), Shangri-La (A mythical place referenced in a speech by Roosevelt as the origin of the Doolittle raid), Antitem (A Civil War battle), and of course Enterprise (Another Revolutionary War-era ship). So while there isn't any obvious connection between the name Ascalin and the other Andalite ships we've seen, that doesn't mean there isn't any. (Or, conversely, Andalite ships may not have any naming conventions at all.) True enough. It's interesting that one is called Star Sword because imagining Andalites using swords, especially with their weak lovely arms, is very funny.
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# ? Feb 26, 2021 10:11 |
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Pretty direct reference to Horatio Nelson at Trafalgar here. Most of the comparisons to the Andalite military and government in this thread have been to the post-Cold War US, but Napoleonic Wars-era England is definitely an apt comparison as well. Particularly given their emphasis on rigid discipline and focus on naval superiority. Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking. Especially the "the captain's ship is his castle and he has absolute power there" aspect. Which makes me realize, I don't actually know what US naval culture and protocol is or has ever been like, now or centuries ago. QuickbreathFinisher posted:True enough. It's interesting that one is called Star Sword because imagining Andalites using swords, especially with their weak lovely arms, is very funny. Especially considering every single one of them has a better one at the end of their tails. I doubt they would have ever developed melee weapons.
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# ? Feb 26, 2021 10:37 |
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Possibly there are tail swords? It ties on to the existing tail blade and extends reach, at the cost of speed? [/asspull]
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# ? Feb 26, 2021 19:40 |
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Bobulus posted:[/asspull] That would make a terrible scabbard for a tailsword.
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# ? Feb 26, 2021 19:50 |
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it's actually an andalite word pronounced "sword" that means something entirely else
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# ? Feb 26, 2021 21:14 |
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I wonder if there are Andalites that lose their tails in battle and choose to get a morning star prosthetic to stomp around like a medieval ankylosaurus.
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# ? Feb 27, 2021 00:38 |
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I think the Andalites' Spartan/bushido warrior culture is extremely lovely towards the disabled.
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# ? Feb 27, 2021 00:44 |
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freebooter posted:I think the Andalites' Spartan/bushido warrior culture is extremely lovely towards the disabled. This shows up in a later book! Andalites are extremely lovely about it
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# ? Feb 27, 2021 00:59 |
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Grammarchist posted:I wonder if there are Andalites that lose their tails in battle and choose to get a morning star prosthetic to stomp around like a medieval ankylosaurus. Only if they can't morph I guess
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# ? Feb 27, 2021 01:47 |
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Animorphs-Book 18:The Decision-Chapter 15quote:I stood there like my hooves had been nailed to the deck. It wasn’t possible! An Andalite ship’s captain a traitor? This may give you some idea about what Andalites think of the tailless. This whole thing will be gone into in more detail in a later book, but keep in for now that this book was written just about 8 years after the signing of the Americans with Disabilities Act, which said that employers and public accommodations had to provide access to people with disabilities, and there was controversy over the law at the time, with people saying it was a waste of money and basically that people with disabilities should just suck it up and deal. it's kind of hard to put yourself now into the mental space of 20 years ago, but in a lot of ways, the Andalites are very American, and as Applegate/Grant wrote them, Andalite positions on issues tend to be exaggerations of American conservative views from the 1990s. And we'll see this again in other things, and I'll try to point out what the hot button issues they're commenting on. quote:The humans! It hit me like a Dracon beam blast. My human friends were back in the sick bay. RIP, Andalite friends. You gave your lives to fight the Yeerks and so the Animorphs could live. Chapter 16 quote:<Okay. Now what?> Rachel said. Tobias and Rachel are right. Cut Ax a break here. He just got reunited with his people, who he hadn't seen for almost a year, just to find out the Captain of the ship was a traitor and watch the ship and all its crew die. And none of it is his fault. quote:<Okay, everyone shut up,> Prince Jake said at last. <That was rough, what happened back there. A lot of good guys just died. Everyone is hyped up. So let’s just chill.> Well, that's just horrifying.
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# ? Feb 27, 2021 05:14 |
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Epicurius posted:Well, that's just horrifying. Also, despite their now having spent an hour or two flying around a completely alien environment, it is strangely... absent from the writing. On the ship, the narration spent more time describing the oceans than the land, and even here at ground level there's nothing mentioned but some rocks. Is it day or night? Any colors? Smells? Plants or any signs of life at all, besides the invaders? This section feels rushed.
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# ? Feb 27, 2021 06:29 |
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Fuschia tude posted:, huh? Yeah, that's one of the things I noted as well. The lack of description of the self-destruction of Ascalin felt especially notable, since it just sort of... happens.
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# ? Feb 27, 2021 06:36 |
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Regarding swords: I can imagine that at some point in Andalite history using your tail blade was considered barbaric and primitive, we invented tools so lets use them etc. Then when they reverted from city life to their open spaces small tribe existence they got over those hangups. Obviously this is just some bullshit I'm making up and not in the books.
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# ? Feb 27, 2021 08:29 |
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Re: lack of description I think it's because they're flies and can't see jack, plus they're in a pretty barren part of the continent anyway.
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# ? Feb 27, 2021 09:01 |
I just realised something. The Yeerks were gonna win Leera, badly, and were defeated by literal ghosts. A genuine Deus Ex Machina. Imagine trying to explain that one.
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# ? Feb 27, 2021 09:03 |
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I just realised something. The only Yeerks who see them vanish get vapourised immediately afterwards so there's nobody to do any explaining
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# ? Feb 27, 2021 09:09 |
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freebooter posted:Re: lack of description I think it's because they're flies and can't see jack, plus they're in a pretty barren part of the continent anyway. Sure, but they've been demorphed for a while now, and there was barely any description of the planet from the ship, either. It jars particularly because the series has generally been so experiential and focused on a sense of wonder. Now this is their first time ever on an alien planet after months of hearing about them and seeing new space aliens, but the only reaction is ?
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# ? Feb 27, 2021 15:35 |
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Fuschia tude posted:Now this is their first time ever on an alien planet after months of hearing about them and seeing new space aliens, but the only reaction is ? Turns out, it all just looks like the hills and quarries around LA, or Canadian woodlands.
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# ? Feb 27, 2021 17:18 |
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Fuschia tude posted:Sure, but they've been demorphed for a while now, and there was barely any description of the planet from the ship, either. It jars particularly because the series has generally been so experiential and focused on a sense of wonder. Now this is their first time ever on an alien planet after months of hearing about them and seeing new space aliens, but the only reaction is ? If one of the others were narrating, yeah, I'd absolutely expect this. Ax has other things on his mind right now.
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# ? Feb 27, 2021 19:44 |
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Animorphs-Book 18:The Decision-Chapter 17quote:It sounded simple: Reach the Andalite forces. But it is a very dangerous thing, advancing toward a lot of angry, very dangerous, very heavily armed, very nervous warriors. He's wondering if he's a traitor himself....if he's "gone native", like people used to say. Obviously the humans and Andalites aren't enemies, but he's starting to question if he's really an Andalite anymore if he feels more comfortable with his human friends on earth instead of dying glorious death in battle with fellow Andalites. Chapter 18 quote:I flapped my leathery wings and fired my echolocation bursts and flew just inches above the rocks. The bat’s echolocation sense created a sort of picture, like a sketchy line drawing, with edges all sharp and clear and surfaces just sort of scribbled in. Heh. All of Jake's commitment to staying out of it falls apart when he sees people in trouble. That's not a safe instinct, but it's a good one. quote:But before we could land, the entire rock bowl where the Andalites and Leerans stood exploded. So, the Andalites, defeated, are running, and Tobias has disappeared.
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# ? Feb 28, 2021 04:57 |
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Man, they're lucky this happened to them 18 books down the line when they've expanded their morphing arsenal and not, like, in book 4. "Uh... Rachel, you be a cat, Jake I guess can go dog..."
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Animorphs-Book 18:The Decision-Chapter 19quote:We stood, in our own bodies, amid the filthy, reeking waste the Taxxons had left behind. We hadn’t found Tobias. So what's going to happpen? What has Ax realized? Chapter 20 quote:he continent was small by continent standards, but it still took the rest of the night to reach the shore. We morphed birds and flew. We stopped when we were near the two-hour limit and rested. And all the while I wondered if there was enough time left. And there goes Rachel. quote:<What’s happening?> Marco demanded, angry because he was afraid. <She was just here! She was talking!> So, in spite of the loss of Rachel, they got to the sea. Now they just have to find the Leerans and the Andalite War Prince.
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# ? Mar 1, 2021 03:12 |
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Weird that Ax uses the phrase "destroy" rather than "kill," as though he's a dog being put down by the council after it kills another dog at the park.quote:far more vivid and bright than the oceans of Earth, which are usually gray. Jeez, buddy, you live in southern California!
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# ? Mar 1, 2021 03:31 |
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Ax posted:But there are some sharks that humans call “man-eaters.” Tiger sharks have made way more attacks on humans, more than any shark other than great whites. Ax should have used his tiger shark morph.
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# ? Mar 1, 2021 10:49 |
You sure? I thought hammerhead was a maneater
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# ? Mar 1, 2021 10:53 |
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:You sure? I thought hammerhead was a maneater 17 documented confirmed attacks since the 1580s, none of them fatal. That said, they are unpredictable and can turn on a dime because of their head shape, and can be a little territorial/not like company. Their mouths are kind of small and inconveniently located for the type of bites you'd get from say a tiger shark, which is basically an oceanic trash compactor and will swim with it's mouth open until it finds something new to test a bite of. Not that they couldn't gently caress you up if they wanted to, but it's kind of more difficult for them than it would be for your more standard issue shark. But they can be subjected to a little nip from a human diver's tagging pole and not be incensed to violence, and they're nowhere near as unpredictable or aggro as a bull shark. Source is working at a lab working directly with sharks and rays (mostly lemon but some nurse and tiger as well as whatever else was on the lines - tag and release) which instilled me with a healthy respect for hammerheads nonetheless, like I said, they are unpredictable, fast, huge, and extremely intimidating to see in action. I can't remember how their jaws are suspended compared to other sharks but I seem to remember a more solid attachment than the classic tiger or great white who can jut it's teeth out to get the extra morsel. Because hammerheads feed in the sand, they don't need as much of this as a mostly pelagic hunter would. Lemon and nurse bites (mainly due to the latter being cute) were far more common among the staff.
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# ? Mar 1, 2021 15:13 |
Huh! Thanks for the information! I wonder where I got that impression from, I must have read it somewhere a long time ago or something. Also you sound like you have a super cool job
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# ? Mar 1, 2021 18:40 |
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Huh! Thanks for the information! I wonder where I got that impression from, I must have read it somewhere a long time ago or something. Haha, it was definitely extremely cool, unfortunately haven't been doing that for years. But yeah, I have way more information than anyone usually needs to know about shark behavior. I meant to post a bit more during the Marco book but never got the chance to. Glad Leera gave us an opportunity to revisit.
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# ? Mar 1, 2021 23:36 |
Here's my shark story I was swimming from one yacht to another, probably 50m, and was about halfway when someone on the second yacht leant forward and screamed THERE'S A loving BRONZIE IN THE WATER Thanks, dude. What the living gently caress am I supposed to do with that information?
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# ? Mar 2, 2021 00:29 |
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I also thought for some reason hammerheads were one of the Five Maneaters, alongside great whites, tigers, bulls and oceanic white tips. Maybe it's an old Pluto's-a-planet thing.Comrade Blyatlov posted:Thanks, dude. What the living gently caress am I supposed to do with that information? Swim faster.
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# ? Mar 2, 2021 00:58 |
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freebooter posted:I also thought for some reason hammerheads were one of the Five Maneaters, alongside great whites, tigers, bulls and oceanic white tips. Maybe it's an old Pluto's-a-planet thing. Hammerheads have been demoted to dwarf shark because they don't clear their area of the ocean.
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# ? Apr 28, 2024 06:17 |
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I was also under the impression that hammerheads were a species of shark that attacks humans so I think it might just be a 90's thing. Plus, any shark that looks as imposing as a hammerhead must be incredibly dangerous.
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