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I don't have much to say that hasn't already been said here, but gently caress Manson. I hope horrible things don't come out about Trent one day I believe women should come forward with that kind of stuff if they feel able to, but yeah. I hope Trent didn't do anything harmful to others.
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drugs and alcohol do not make somebody a rapist or abuser but it certainly lowers the threshold for what that type of person considers acceptable, especially when you have a group of people all partying together mixed with the high of fame, money and a feeling of being untouchable. these guys were in their 20s at the height of their popularity and back stage footage from around the time shows they probably made a lot of dumb decisions, it was chaotic. but that is true for pretty much every rock band ever.
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I think the stuff Trent was mad about in Manson's book was some of the stories of doing weird stuff with groupies like throwing lunchmeat at them as some sort of game but I also don't really remember anymore
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# ? Feb 4, 2021 19:10 |
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iirc Manson specifically states that Trent & band did not participate in the meat/sex/pissing incident with the deaf groupie, but were there. Trent says it was a total fabrication. This podcast, And Introducing, covers words/books about music and did one on Manson’s bio. They read the passage in question on the episode. https://m.soundcloud.com/and-intro-pod/13-marilyn-manson-ft-sean-t-collins
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# ? Feb 4, 2021 20:56 |
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I've already seen a few headlines on Twitter along the lines of "Reznor denies sexual assault claims by Manson". Real loving misleading stuff and as others have said I really hope he didn't ever do anything like that.
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Skails posted:iirc Manson specifically states that Trent & band did not participate in the meat/sex/pissing incident with the deaf groupie, but were there. Trent says it was a total fabrication. There was definitely a deaf fan that was hanging around with the band at some point, don't know whether the meat story is real though.
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stev posted:I've already seen a few headlines on Twitter along the lines of "Reznor denies sexual assault claims by Manson". Real loving misleading stuff and as others have said I really hope he didn't ever do anything like that. Same. Haven't listened to the recording that reads out the passage and obviously nowhere has a transcript but one article mentioned the thing with the deaf girl was in a shower, and if Trent was present for whatever reason I wonder if it was more "He was in the same building" than actually being there to watch because otherwise how big was the freakin' bathroom? He may not have even known the event took place until after reading the book because I can't imagine him being happy with meat and piss all over the studio. I guess we'll never know unless others involved speak up about it and Twiggy seems to be in permanent hiding since the rape stuff about him came out and as much as Pogo hates Manson he's probably staying far away from this as well. What definitely isn't a good look for Trent is plenty of photos of him rekindling his friendship with Manson years later when knowing all of this stuff, and even letting him in the music video for Starfuckers. Probably some very awkward conversations with Mariqueen right now but one day Trent's kids are gonna see this stuff online which is going to be horrible for them, even if Manson wasn't being honest or misrepresenting what actually happened. Can't imagine two whole bands and whoever else in a tiny recording studio bathroom, though.
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# ? Feb 4, 2021 23:01 |
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Trent released a statement saying that he has not spoken to Manson in 25 years nor does he care to speak to Manson and for all purposes he was done with Manson 25 years ago. I guess people will tie them together because of the stuff they did together in the 90's but that is such a stupid thing to tie him to. Anyway, my dumbass Manson story is that I saw him and Rob Zombie do a show 2 years ago. Manson seemed drunk, and their show sucked. 3 plus minute breaks in between songs with nothing going on?! I thought someone who has been performing for the last 20 odd years would at least know how to put on a show. That being said, Zombie killed it and shows that he definitely knows how to put on a show. Manson just seemed like he didn't want to be there at all.
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# ? Feb 4, 2021 23:37 |
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He might have been getting medical treatment during those breaks. Even when he was younger and much healthier he had to go backstage for oxygen and poo poo because his father being exposed to agent orange meant that Manson has heart problems - which makes his drug use all the more stupid, especially at his age now. Latest updates are more accusations ranging from Phoebe Bridgers saying Manson showed her his 'rape room' when she was a teenager, Jenna Jameson saying she dumped him because he bit her and wanted to burn her alive, and Rose McGowan who was formerly engaged to him states that she stands with all the accusers.
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# ? Feb 5, 2021 00:19 |
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Madkal posted:Trent released a statement saying that he has not spoken to Manson in 25 years nor does he care to speak to Manson and for all purposes he was done with Manson 25 years ago. I guess people will tie them together because of the stuff they did together in the 90's but that is such a stupid thing to tie him to. This is really a shame because he really used to put on a hell of an amazing show
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Madkal posted:Trent released a statement saying that he has not spoken to Manson in 25 years nor does he care to speak to Manson and for all purposes he was done with Manson 25 years ago. He's one of several 90s/00s artists where I liked their first 1 or 2 albums, but once they leaned into the cornier aspects of their aesthetic instead of the music, the novelty wore off really quickly. It's like if Trent took the Closer video and the Broken movie and kept making that forever. Manson's also responsible for that "vocal fry straining like I'm taking a poo poo" style of singing that every Hot Topic mallgoth band aped for years to sound cool and edgy (especially when the singer couldn't sing), and eventually just became another one of those bands.
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sticklefifer posted:He's one of several 90s/00s artists where I liked their first 1 or 2 albums, but once they leaned into the cornier aspects of their aesthetic instead of the music, the novelty wore off really quickly. Killing Strangers was pretty good, but mostly because it's used really well in John Wick.
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I stopped after AS because Manson “sold out” on Mechanical Animals (lol high school). From what I’ve heard of that album I probably would have liked it. I barely know anything about what he did after that. Wasn’t pop-industrial journeyman Tim Sköld the brains behind the band for a while? Has he ever said anything about him? david_a fucked around with this message at 13:42 on Feb 5, 2021 |
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sticklefifer posted:It's definitely not 25 years since he was in the Starfuckers video, but it could be 20 I suppose.
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spookygonk posted:Just watched that video for the first time and thought Trent was looking a tad puffy in the face there. He's never looked worse than he did in the "I'm Afraid Of Americans" video, and by all accounts he's never felt worse either. Worked well for the video though.
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TOOT BOOT posted:There was definitely a deaf fan that was hanging around with the band at some point, don't know whether the meat story is real though. (Also, I bought that documentary wayyyyyy back when it first came out on VHS, and it had the racist stuff that Manson sued to have removed when it was released on DVD.) edit: Aw gently caress, I really need to change my avatar
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If you just want it gone PM a mod and they can blank it for you.
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david_a posted:
I don't know anything about being the brains behind the band, but he did play guitar on EMDM and toured with the band to promote the record. I think that was about it though.
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axelblaze posted:This is really a shame because he really used to put on a hell of an amazing show Biggest issue really was the breaks between songs. Like you can put on some pre-recorded noise/samples or some interesting visuals to make things flow, but instead a song would end, the arena would go dark for 3 minutes with nothing happening and then the next song would start. Have this happen between pretty much every single song just killed the momentum and the mood. Added to this that Manson seemed really disinterested/going through the motions just made the show so slow and boring.
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Macrame_God posted:I don't know anything about being the brains behind the band, but he did play guitar on EMDM and toured with the band to promote the record. I think that was about it though.
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# ? Feb 6, 2021 00:38 |
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The Manson thing continues to worsen, I think he's hosed now and possibly his wife as well. Evan Rachel Wood posted:On Dec. 19, I had to file a police report after I was alerted to threats made by @leslee_lane and @lindsayusichofficial (Brian's wife) for conspiring to release photos of me when I was UNDERAGE, after being given large amounts of drugs and alcohol, after Brian performed on Halloween in Las Vegas to 'ruin my career' and 'shut me up.' Evan Rachel Wood posted:I was called a jew in a derogatory manner, he would draw swastikas over my bedside table when he was mad at me. I heard the 'n' word over and over. Manson's longtime manager Tony Ciulla has thrown in the towel also. Not only possessing but also wanting to distribute child porn to ruin Evan's career and Manson's wife actually being involved with this is as hell. Hopefully a warrant is issued for a search and they find the images and whatever other messed up stuff that we don't know about and they just get locked up and never heard from again.
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# ? Feb 7, 2021 00:43 |
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Manson proves that Florida Man, given money and fame, will continue to be Florida Man
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# ? Feb 9, 2021 18:56 |
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Wild T posted:Manson proves that Florida Man, given money and fame, will continue to be Florida Man What if we just didn't talk about this turd?
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# ? Feb 9, 2021 19:53 |
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Wild T posted:Manson proves that Florida Man, given money and fame, will continue to be Florida Man obeyasia posted:What if we just didn't talk about this turd? Sure, moving on... TR and AR got two of the four Golden Globe nominations for score work, that's huge.
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obeyasia posted:What if we just didn't talk about this turd? I think moving on is best yeah, the more stuff that comes out the more horrific it is (it's literally looking like an Ian Watkins situation) but it seems that the FBI is now involved and actively investigating him so hopefully the next time we hear of him it's that he's going away for life. On a NIN-related note, it was nice to hear Trent say in that recent interview (an acceptance speech for something, I forget what but remember him thanking the long list of NIN members over the years, even back to Richard Patrick) that he's nowhere near done and wants to make more music. I know there's been soundtracks and EPs etc. but Hesitation Marks feels like so long ago and holy poo poo I just checked and it's close to 8 years old I hope that his next project is a more traditional NIN album like that.
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# ? Feb 10, 2021 23:35 |
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the three EP's were an album release imo, just split into three parts. Trent specifically said they form a story arc with three acts, like the Downward Spiral.quote:"But to be clear, the record isn’t about Trump, it’s about making sense of the world. The first record, Not the Actual Events, was more of an internal fantasy of what if I lit a match to my life and just embraced burning the whole loving thing down. You know? All of this is an illusion and I really should be dead or lying in a ditch somewhere. Who I really am is an addict that self-destructs. That’s my true nature and this is an illusion and some borrowed time. It wasn’t a pleasant thing, but it felt like, that’s a story to tell. And if felt like something I needed to internally process.
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Samopsa posted:the three EP's were an album release imo, just split into three parts. Trent specifically said they form a story arc with three acts, like the Downward Spiral. Yeah I usually just listen to them back to back now. The only problem is The Background World.
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e: forum broke
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Trent Reznor posted:To try picking up a guitar, which I told myself I would never do again for whatever reason and finding, you know what? It sounds loving good. That was unexpected to read but I'm glad that he likes to play it again because while he may not go down in history for his guitar playing, he has a distinct style that I really like and when he gets it just right it sounds fantastic. The examples that immediately spring to mind are the solos (?) on We're in this Together & The Wretched, along with other works even going back to Broken which aren't fancy or technical but fit so well with the music and almost have a kind of groove to them? Whatever setup he had the The Fragile sounded great and even on a track like Last from Broken, the little section he plays at 0:42 which then segues back into the rhythm with this extra added guitar that cuts right through it sounds awesome.
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# ? Feb 11, 2021 01:42 |
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I remember reading Trent was very inspired by the disclosure first album when he was working on hesitation marks and it kinda shows. Too bad disclosure kinda fell off after that (imo)
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SUNKOS posted:Hesitation Marks feels like so long ago and holy poo poo I just checked and it's close to 8 years old I hope that his next project is a more traditional NIN album like that. I remember it coming out like it was yesterday. Here's Alessandro demonstrating a cool synth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU7XzVrLsok
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# ? Feb 11, 2021 18:14 |
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It's really nice seeing someone demo something like that in a non-traditional way and just showing what happens when you plug a guitar in, for example. It's too nice actually. I'm resisting temptation to preorder the drat thing now.
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Rageaholic posted:
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# ? Feb 12, 2021 08:26 |
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Rageaholic posted:
Alessandro's solo work is fantastic, I listen to it all the time at work. It's great for background ambient music with no vocals. Sonoio (his band that does have vocals) is also really good. A playlist of both if anyone cares. https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7nBRJctuDVnZ6r8QUlsdBM
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Rageaholic posted:
SUNKOS posted:It's really nice seeing someone demo something like that in a non-traditional way and just showing what happens when you plug a guitar in, for example. It's too nice actually. I'm resisting temptation to preorder the drat thing now. I preordered, tweeted that I was excited about it, and Alessandro like my tweet
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# ? Feb 13, 2021 02:29 |
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I never heard anything about this before now but there's a documentary about modulur synths called 'I Dream Of Wires' that features Trent talking about his use of them.
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# ? Feb 18, 2021 23:16 |
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Bad news, Mank didn't the Golden Globe for score Good news, Soul did https://www.goldenglobes.com/winners-nominees/best-original-score-motion-picture
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# ? Mar 1, 2021 04:08 |
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So Trent's now an EGOG?
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Rageaholic posted:So Trent's now an EGOG? They already had one for The Social Network. It might make for some interesting award placement with their Oscar
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Rageaholic posted:So Trent's now an EGOG? Was going to say 'two golden globes so yeah' but then I realized the G in the regularly used term is for Grammy. Just needs a Tony award for EGOT but uh can't win a Tony for a live production when such things don't exist due to a literal plague.
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