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Sandwolf posted:JoseV’s posts all feel like they’re trying to avoid saying too much, saying just enough content to disappear again, not really pushing nor standing for anything~~ This is a better line of reasoning however
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Mr. Steak posted:btw im gonna have company later, and y'all know i check mafia threads quite frequently (cuz i have no life) but i may still only be checking in at like 20 minute intervals closer to deadline. also there's a chance i'll be shwasted "Stop getting high at my crime scene!"
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Mar 2, 2021 19:33
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Sandwolf posted:I’m not getting scummy vibes from you rn but what’s would be a fair assessment of your argument! I think Grandicap is making an alignment based claim that bif is town. Ostensibly, he is using information in the thread to make this call, but I don't think this information follows toward that conclusion. As a result, I think he is using out of thread knowledge to make this alignment call, and I think it's most likely that that out of game knowledge is knowledge of who the scum team is, knowledge he would have if he was scum.
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Mar 2, 2021 19:33
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Sandwolf posted:Recontextualize it then! I’ve already said my piece about this to some extent, maybe I’m missing something but grandi seems focused on defending his take on bif being super town, where is he focusing on finding scum?
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Mar 2, 2021 19:34
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CCKeane posted:I think Grandicap is making an alignment based claim that bif is town. Ostensibly, he is using information in the thread to make this call, but I don't think this information follows toward that conclusion. As a result, I think he is using out of thread knowledge to make this alignment call, and I think it's most likely that that out of game knowledge is knowledge of who the scum team is, knowledge he would have if he was scum. I love it so much Keane. It's inaccurate, but I love you "recontextualizing" it. Carry on.
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Mar 2, 2021 19:36
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Hal Insandenza posted:I’ve already said my piece about this to some extent, maybe I’m missing something but grandi seems focused on defending his take on bif being super town, where is he focusing on finding scum? My IA stuff is my scum centric stuff.
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Mar 2, 2021 19:36
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Sandwolf posted:Like why not slap a vote down here Because I don't think that vote being scummy is breaking the game wide open or anything, it's just a scummy thing. Bif is already at 3 votes and my read of that vote isn't strong enough to put them at 4 Sandwolf posted:JoseV’s posts all feel like they’re trying to avoid saying too much, saying just enough content to disappear again, not really pushing nor standing for anything~~ Mr. Steak posted:then do it, coward! jose has been expressly ignoring me because engaging with me would only bring more attention to him. its a scum technique i use all the time  Sandwolf posted:I don’t think it’s Grandi, he seems more interested than not in figuring out who is scum and I honestly feel like the case on him re: Bif is like “wow he thinks BIF is TOWN? Scum”
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Mar 2, 2021 19:41
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Mar 2, 2021 19:42
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OK Keane but couldn’t Grandi have just been deciding to be certain of Bif instead of hemming and hawing like the thread has largely been? I see what you’re saying but even if Grandi was scum doing it I don’t think it’d be in this big bombastic way.
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Mar 2, 2021 19:47
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Jose Valasquez posted:Because I don't think that vote being scummy is breaking the game wide open or anything, it's just a scummy thing. Bif is already at 3 votes and my read of that vote isn't strong enough to put them at 4 "It's at least as scummy as indiscriminately firing and killing a townie. That's what you've claimed." Bifauxnen posted:"Whatever. I just started thinking about it. This is gonna be one-to-two hour brain project, at least. Steak, listen. I know this *boundary-pushing* thing is new to you, but it's old news for us grown-ups." // BREAKTHROUGH IMMINENT // // VOLUMETRIC BULLSHIT COMPRESSOR // ##vote JoseV
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Mar 2, 2021 19:47
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Bifauxnen posted:"It's at least as scummy as indiscriminately firing and killing a townie. That's what you've claimed." You think I'm scummy because I think you're scummy. They should invent a term for that
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Mar 2, 2021 19:50
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Jose Valasquez posted:You think I'm scummy because I think you're scummy. They should invent a term for that Yiiiikes
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Mar 2, 2021 19:51
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That’s really more an “eesh” than a “yiikes” apologies JoseV
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Mar 2, 2021 19:51
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i love when people pull a double-reverse omgus
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Mar 2, 2021 19:52
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Mr. Steak posted:i love when people pull a double-reverse omgus You really took me saying I would vig you too personally and seriously.
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Mar 2, 2021 19:56
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what, no i meant your comment about bif
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Mar 2, 2021 19:58
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just so we're clear. i never interpreted you as calling me scummy. that was never the basis for my read
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Are you trying to say that I'm OMGUSing bif?
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Mar 2, 2021 20:02
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Jose Valasquez posted:You think I'm scummy because I think you're scummy. They should invent a term for that So you think Bif is scum? And you think Bif thinks you’re scum because you think Bif is scum?
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Mar 2, 2021 20:03
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Sandwolf posted:So you think Bif is scum? And you think Bif thinks you’re scum because you think Bif is scum? Jose Valasquez posted:I lean towards "scummy", but a large part of that is getting burned by it in TGP by pushing the other way. Jose Valasquez posted:Given that she fired indiscriminately into a crowd is that a point for keeping her or executing her? Jose Valasquez posted:I think this vote is scummier than the vig kill Bif's reason for voting me is: Bifauxnen posted:"It's at least as scummy as indiscriminately firing and killing a townie. That's what you've claimed." So yes, I think bif is voting me because I said she's scummy
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Mar 2, 2021 20:08
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Jose Valasquez posted:Your case against me so far has been that I'm scum because I said it was rude for Sandwolf to want to vig me and you took some jokes I made after that seriously. the sandwolf thing is irrelevant. it was barely serious, which i think was evident by prefacing it "big brain analysis". i see your posting as calculated overall. and the vig commentary that "person voting me is voting town because im town" is such a surface-level take that it's blatantly avoiding the question (which is ostensibly about who you think is scum), and also "reminding" thread that you are town, which pings me. regardless of your alignment, reducing people's cases to fit your agenda doesnt make you look good
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Mar 2, 2021 20:10
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Yeah, I find myself agreeing with Keane. I go back to this post.Grandicap posted:These two go together. I felt Grandi was overcertain about the read in general, when I asked why he was sure, it was based on meta, but the meta read that Bif isn't dramatic and chaotic is just not a match to how Bif is playing this game. So it does end up feeling like "I want to call Bif town first, how to justify calling Bif town second." I also keep going back to this post by steak Mr. Steak posted:if bif is scum he's defending her, and if she's town he's defending her with such conviction that it looks like scum angling for some cred when bif flips. he kind of doesnt look good either way lol. no need to flip bif first JoseV calls it a false dichotomy and says the third option is just that Grandi actually believes it. Well, something feels weird to me for Grandi to actually just believe what he's saying, so I sort of think Steak is right. ##vote Grandicap
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Mar 2, 2021 20:14
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Mr. Steak posted:the sandwolf thing is irrelevant. it was barely serious, which i think was evident by prefacing it "big brain analysis". quote:regardless of your alignment, reducing people's cases to fit your agenda doesnt make you look good Mr. Steak posted:ah, the classic "post about how you are town" trick Mr. Steak posted:that poo poo always comes across to me as a sort of (subconscious or otherwise) desire to "get the story straight" so they needlessly remind thread/themselves that their logic stems from their town alignment Mr. Steak posted:also, josev seems to be unironically taking the position of "OMGUS is good actually". which, lol Mr. Steak posted:except a lack of vote speaks to his not wanting to be scrutinized for committing to such a silly thing. These are all in response to these two posts: Regarding Sandwolf saying he would vig me: Jose Valasquez posted:Very rude Jose Valasquez posted:steak because he's the only person that I'm confident is voting for town You took an offhand joke and turned it into a case. I think my summary of your case is accurate
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Mar 2, 2021 20:27
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JoseV if you had a vig who would you shoot
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Mar 2, 2021 20:33
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Sandwolf posted:JoseV if you had a vig who would you shoot Nobody because I'm a big boy and can keep a vig in my pocket until it is useful instead of popping off on day 1
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yeah that answer just feels so desperate to be safe It’s not a real gun and I can’t actually give it to you - you theoretically are able to immediately flip one player in this game, they won’t actually die, this is just a thought experiment - who do you flip
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Mar 2, 2021 20:38
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Sandwolf posted:yeah that answer just feels so desperate to be safe If I had a role action that would tell me and me alone someone's flip and it was use it or lose it I would probably use it on Bif because that's the person that A) I think has been scummiest in the game thus far, and B) I think that flip gives the most information to work with given that she has been the focus of attention. Although on second thought I might not do that because Bif is one of the likelier candidates for execution today so it might end up being a waste. The other way to think about this hypothetical role action is that it can tell me who I can trust in the game, so perhaps I would use it on someone that I have a hard time reading like Keane or Voodoo. I don't know, it's a tough choice. If I had an action like that I would agonize over it for hours before deciding how to use it. I've already spent 20 minutes thinking about it and it isn't even real. I doubt you'll like that answer, but it's how I think about the game and I'm not gonna lie about it
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Well I can appreciate you adhering to your self but even in the extra latitude you gave yourself you couldn’t pick someone to flip so honestly it looks like you’ve got the classic scum quagmire of not knowing which case to hang your hat on.
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Mar 2, 2021 21:08
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Sorry, but "If you played the game in a fundamentally different way what would you do?" is a bullshit question. I don't know what I would do if I was a different person.
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Mar 2, 2021 21:10
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Sandwolf posted:OK Keane but couldn’t Grandi have just been deciding to be certain of Bif instead of hemming and hawing like the thread has largely been? I see what you’re saying but even if Grandi was scum doing it I don’t think it’d be in this big bombastic way. Sure! That's very possible. It's also day one, though, so that's my strongest read atm.
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Mar 2, 2021 21:11
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Jose Valasquez posted:Sorry, but "If you played the game in a fundamentally different way what would you do?" is a bullshit question. I don't know what I would do if I was a different person. I'd probably eat fish if I was a different person, I don't like fish so it'd be nice to see what the big deal was, if I was a person that liked fish.
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Mar 2, 2021 21:11
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Jose Valasquez posted:I think bif has been scummy and I've said as much: "What are you still hanging around and not voting for?" Jose Valasquez posted:Because I don't think that vote being scummy is breaking the game wide open or anything, it's just a scummy thing. Bif is already at 3 votes and my read of that vote isn't strong enough to put them at 4 "Sounds like a cover story to me. Calling that vote *even scummier* than shooting someone that early? That sounds like some strong feelings. I know you're giving me the run-around." "I think you're just a scared little bitch who doesn't wanna stick his neck out being the fourth or fifth vote when it's actually going to mean something to start looking responsible. You think I'm scum, huh? Yeah, I'm a real dirty cop hustling for La Puta Madre. I'm gonna go on police radio sayin' you told him to gently caress off!"
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Bifauxnen posted:"I think you're just a scared little bitch who doesn't wanna stick his neck out being the fourth or fifth vote when it's actually going to mean something to start looking responsible. You think I'm scum, huh? Yeah, I'm a real dirty cop hustling for La Puta Madre. I'm gonna go on police radio sayin' you told him to gently caress off!" I know you're doing a bit, but please stop talking to me in this way.
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JoseV's response feels mega town to me. I don't think scum would put that much deliberation in basically side stepping the question. Feels a lot like SiV's response to the game in Bernie.
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Jose Valasquez posted:Sorry, but "If you played the game in a fundamentally different way what would you do?" is a bullshit question. I don't know what I would do if I was a different person. Alright but effectively the question boils down to: “who is your strongest scumread/suspicion so far” or “who is so difficult for you to read you’d rather just know” and you don’t seem to think anyone is scummy enough to flip and you kinda avoided the second half of the question (though you did say Voodoo/Keane). It feels like it’s betraying, to me, an insincere viewpoint on the game.
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Sandwolf posted:Alright but effectively the question boils down to: “who is your strongest scumread/suspicion so far” or “who is so difficult for you to read you’d rather just know” and you don’t seem to think anyone is scummy enough to flip and you kinda avoided the second half of the question (though you did say Voodoo/Keane). I answered both of those questions explicitly in my post. Bif is my strongest scumread and Voodoo and Keane are two people I have a hard time reading. Maybe just read my post?
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Grandicap posted:JoseV's response feels mega town to me. I don't think scum would put that much deliberation in basically side stepping the question. Feels a lot like SiV's response to the game in Bernie. I agree, I read Jose's response to Sandwolf as really townie.
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Mar 2, 2021 21:21
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But then why not just say shoot bif instead of this “I’d shoot bif but then again maybe not because she’s a viable lunch candidate today”? That feels like you know Bif could eat it today and are okay with that happening like that, but if you thought Bif was scum wouldn’t you just want her flipped so we could spend the rest of D1 analyzing the fallout of that?
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Sandwolf posted:But then why not just say shoot bif instead of this “I’d shoot bif but then again maybe not because she’s a viable lunch candidate today”? That feels like you know Bif could eat it today and are okay with that happening like that, but if you thought Bif was scum wouldn’t you just want her flipped so we could spend the rest of D1 analyzing the fallout of that? No, because given the choice between vigging scum and executing scum I'd rather execute scum so that votes are on the record. I'd save a vig for someone I was confident was scum but there wasn't enough traction to execute them.
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