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SirSamVimes posted:I mean this book just demonstrated that there is infiltration and treachery occurring. It would be great if every Andalite ship after this installs a Leeran Compliance Officer who is there to look out for traitors, but because they're so few and far between, actually just ends up reporting the most mediocre breaches of the rules like the worst kind of middle manager.
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freebooter posted:(On the other hand I don't see how Leera could really have been that pivotal though, which everybody in this book says it is.) I mean, I'd say, in addition to being fresh bodies for the Yeerk war machine, and ones that are equally comfortable on land and in water and can regenerate, they're also the only receptive telepath's we've seen, That's a pretty important weapon for the Yeerks to have.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Also unlike a lot of these recent books, I remember almost everything about the next one, and I am hella excited for it because it is 300% bananas. The Megamorphs? It also unfortunately features another KASU (as she points out in another Q&A), and it's a big one.
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# ? Mar 5, 2021 14:53 |
Whats a KASU, and got a link?
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# ? Mar 5, 2021 15:28 |
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Whats a KASU, and got a link? Katherine Applegate Screw Ups. Plotholes, basically.
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freebooter posted:It would be great if every Andalite ship after this installs a Leeran Compliance Officer who is there to look out for traitors, but because they're so few and far between, actually just ends up reporting the most mediocre breaches of the rules like the worst kind of middle manager. I'm now imagining Toby from the Office as a giant alien frog. "Uh huh... well you can't do that... I know the airlock is stuck but you can't " It is funny to see a traitor though because you'd think that is one area where the Yeerks would be absolutely hopeless. Away from Earth (where they can shock and awe us with ~we are the future this is the only way~) what incentive would anyone have to defect? The Yeerks don't seem to have cushy suburban cottages and a pension for old informants. It's just eternal enslavement all the way down.
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# ? Mar 5, 2021 19:23 |
They promised he and his family would be safe. That's the usual trick.
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Strategic Tea posted:I'm now imagining Toby from the Office as a giant alien frog. That they never follow up on that traitor plot thread is a real shame, it would have been really interesting to see what exactly made the Captain turn, since he came across more as a true believer than a victim of blackmail or something similar.
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# ? Mar 5, 2021 19:29 |
from a certain point of view, it's entirely reasonable to align with the yeerks. that is, if you are capable of ignoring the genocidal feudal nightmare that the yeerk-in-exile society has become, and instead orient your ideology around the events of first contact. the andalites did not handle things very reasonably, and are continuing to inflame tension by maintaining a blockade of the yeerk homeworld - which has been up since the first yeerks fled the planet, years and years before the war started. obviously at this point there is strategic value to the blockade, but at first? i wonder. plus, the captain was (supposedly) a close friend of elfangor, and you have to wonder how much elfangor's xenophilic attitude, as well as his low-key skepticism about andalite society because he lived as a human for a long time, rubbed off on his buddies. maybe the yeerks showed him a nice video of voluntary human and taxxon controllers eating cinnamon buns together in the yeerk pool cafeteria
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# ? Mar 5, 2021 20:06 |
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Ax's file at Andalite High Command is going to be so awesome by the time the series ends.
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# ? Mar 5, 2021 22:36 |
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Grammarchist posted:Ax's file at Andalite High Command is going to be so awesome by the time the series ends. "And in conclusion, at least half of this must be purely fictitious because no one could accomplish all of this. However, as we have as of yet been unable to ascertain which half is true, we feel compelled to leave it all in."
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# ? Mar 5, 2021 22:37 |
Actually, the Andalite traitor seems very Crayak. From memory their games involve changing one small part of a situation, so I could see him choosing to place the traitor against Ellimist choosing to switch the group's consciousness. I could absolutely see him thinking "6 dudes with a limited time? No contest."
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Animorphs-Megamorphs 2: In the Time of the Dinosaurs, Chapter 1 Marco quote:My name is Marco. And I’m the idiot who happened to be watching the news on TV, and happened to see the story about the nuclear submarine that went down. Honestly, if I counted the number of times somebody's fired a Dracon beam in the series, I could probably prove Marco wrong here. quote:The Yeerks are a parasitic species. Like tapeworms or lice or certain gym coaches who think you can’t play basketball just because you are somewhat not tall. This is the necessary "Lets sum up the premise of the books", which we've been seeing less of lately, but I guess since this was a Megamorphs book, KAA felt the need to include. quote:Anyway, I was hanging out with my dad around noon on a rainy Saturday, slumped down in the easy chair, staring at the TV, wondering if I had the energy to go into the kitchen to get more Doritos, when the news flash came on. Ok, so it starts with the Animorphs, who, I have to remind you, have sworn an oath never to use their morphing power except to fight the Yeerks, looking for a lost nuclear submarine. Chapter 2 Cassie quote:I love being a dolphin. How can you not love it? I've already expressed my opinion on what sort of monsters dolphins are. quote:<Come on, guys!> I yelled, giddy and goofy on the sheer joy of being a dolphin in the sea. And they came. All of them felt the same way. We were on a serious mission. But that didn’t mean we couldn’t have fun. They found the sub, and with just ten minutes to spare. Epicurius fucked around with this message at 04:33 on Mar 6, 2021 |
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Epicurius posted:Ok, so it starts with the Animorphs, who, I have to remind you, have sworn an oath never to use their morphing power except to fight the Yeerks, looking for a lost nuclear submarine. To be fair this is a more noble cause than "scaring the circus ringmaster," "criticising the Rainforest Cafe," or "going to a concert for free" (twice)
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freebooter posted:To be fair this is a more noble cause than "scaring the circus ringmaster," "criticising the Rainforest Cafe," or "going to a concert for free" (twice) That concert had Offspring, Alanis, and Nice is Neat. That's a very important mission!
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# ? Mar 6, 2021 05:15 |
spoiler alert: everyone on the sub is dead by now
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# ? Mar 6, 2021 05:18 |
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I loved this one so much as a kid who was into both animorphs and dinosaurs.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Whats a KASU, and got a link? Yeah, looks like this is an archive of what must be the Q&A I read back then. Obviously, spoilers for this book and maybe #19 or 20
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Animorphs-Megamorphs 2: In the Time of the Dinosaurs, Chapter 3 Jake quote:We’d found the sub. Now the question was: How could we get the Navy divers to find it? Ok, I hope you enjoyed the series. The Animorphs, of course, were all killed when a nuclear reactor went critical. It's a way to go. Wait, there seems to be another chapter.... Chapter 4 Rachel quote:I don’t know how long I was unconscious. But when I came to I was on the surface of the water. I was lolling there like some kind of dead fish. Spoiler, everyone. See the book title. But it raises the question. Why IS there a volcano there? How come the inevitable shortcut that books and tv shows use to show that it's the time of the dinosaurs is a volcano in the background? Usually the volcano doesn't even do anything beyond smoke ominously. Am I the only one who's noticed that? quote:<Is it some weird effect from the explosion?> Jake asked. <Like maybe setting off that bomb in the fissure caused some kind of sudden eruption?> The answer is, it's the Loch Ness Monster and Visser Three in morph.
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# ? Mar 7, 2021 06:13 |
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This is hardly the biggest mistake in the book, but...
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# ? Mar 7, 2021 06:29 |
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Was it actually the reactor or is that just what they assumed? My first thought would be it was one of the warheads. Also lol if you think it's embarrassing to explain to Ax why the US has nuclear weapons in the 1990s, try explaining to him why Britain does.
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# ? Mar 7, 2021 06:53 |
To be fair, they specified it was a nuclear warhead that went off. I'm gonna be really kind to this book and say Visser Three learnt about the sub, sent troops down to recover the nukes, and one went off.
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# ? Mar 7, 2021 06:57 |
Actually, gently caress being kind. She could literally write 'they fell through a time hole' if it means DINOSAURS
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# ? Mar 7, 2021 07:06 |
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You're both right, I'm sorry. I have issued a correction below. (Seriously, they don't. Nukes are, for very good reason, designed to be useless when they're not intentionally armed and to become basically impossible to arm when they're damaged, specifically so that no nuclear weapon should ever detonate unless everyone in the chain of command is very, very sure they want it to be detonated at that place and at that time. A significant explosion elsewhere in the sub could disperse the radioactive material, but that's going to be orders of magnitude below an actual warhead detonation, and the water would contain the radioactivity pretty well anyway.) But, again, I'm not going to fault KAA for not knowing how nuclear weapons work when it will become much easier later in this book to fault her for not knowing how morphing works.
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Epicurius posted:Spoiler, everyone. See the book title. But it raises the question. Why IS there a volcano there? How come the inevitable shortcut that books and tv shows use to show that it's the time of the dinosaurs is a volcano in the background? Usually the volcano doesn't even do anything beyond smoke ominously. Am I the only one who's noticed that? Or it started as a device to depict a younger Earth by implying it's more geologically active in this time. Or someone just conflated the period of Earth's history where the crust was still molten with dinosaur times. The Earth cooled four billion years before the dinosaurs evolved, but they are both prehistoric, so . quote:<We’re shopping all the sales,> Marco said brightly. <Enemies “R” Us, EnemyMart, J.C. Enemy. Don’t worry, we’ll find one.>
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# ? Mar 7, 2021 08:41 |
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It's because Dinosaurs are cool and Volcanoes are cool
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# ? Mar 7, 2021 09:05 |
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Off the top of my head I'd guess it's maybe because of the volcanoes in the dinosaur sequence of Fantasia?
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# ? Mar 7, 2021 09:34 |
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Also if you live in the English-speaking world instead of Italy or Iceland or Japan, volcanoes are ~Exotic~ edit - though in this sequence I think it's just a quick shorthand for the specific point KA needs to make, i.e., how could that landform possibly be there minus time travel. Also lol I guess she's hand-waving the two minute morphing time away but it would be pretty funny if all the other Animorphs speed off as dolphins and Cassie is just treading water in human form as a literal monster surfaces. freebooter fucked around with this message at 10:15 on Mar 7, 2021 |
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freebooter posted:Was it actually the reactor or is that just what they assumed? My first thought would be it was one of the warheads. Actually we have a better reason to have them than the US! No one could realistically conquer the US by land, but they could certainly invade us
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Yeah but (not to derail) the only country that would feasibly ever do that is the USSR/Russia and I just don't see a post-WWII scenario, i.e. the only context in which nuclear weapons exist, in which Britain is fighting a war against Russia outside of NATO. Compare and contrast with Australia which is far more geopolitically vulnerable and has no illusions about the fact that it's reliant on American military power. Britain's nukes always just seemed to me a way to cling on to being a major power. I suppose what's truly weird about explaining it to Ax - since the Andalites would have way more powerful weapons than nukes - is that this is a Star Wars/Trek sort of sci-fi universe where every other planet has a single world government, so no squabbling nations among themselves.
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# ? Mar 8, 2021 02:49 |
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I think one of the Ax books mentioned that Andalites used to fight among themselves, though it seems to be in the distant past and they've probably been united as a species for as long as they have been an interstellar civilization, if not longer. I don't know what the Taxxons were like before the Yeerks, but the decision to join them sparked some conflict, as seen in the Andalite Chronicles.
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WrightOfWay posted:I think one of the Ax books mentioned that Andalites used to fight among themselves, though it seems to be in the distant past and they've probably been united as a species for as long as they have been an interstellar civilization, if not longer. I don't know what the Taxxons were like before the Yeerks, but the decision to join them sparked some conflict, as seen in the Andalite Chronicles. i don't think it's ever resolved whether the taxxons were a singular hive before contact with the yeerks, or fractured into many. i've also always gotten the feeling that the andalites didn't really know anything about taxxons before the yeerks showed up one day in taxxon bodies, and if they knew they existed at all, probably dismissed them as sub-sentient. sometimes the kids just have trouble explaining poo poo to ax because they don't really understand it themselves, not because it would be hard for ax to understand if he read it in a book or listened to a lecture or whatever. i think the incoherent nature of their explanation also probably reflects KA's opinion that the usual justifications for the continued existence of nukes are inherently incoherent.
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# ? Mar 8, 2021 03:29 |
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I think another big part of it is that a group of teenagers are probably not the most informed people when it comes to talking about nuclear geopolitics.
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Animorphs-Megamorphs 2: In the Time of the Dinosaurs, Chapter 5 Tobias quote:I knew what it was. Or at least I knew what it looked like. But I wasn’t about to say anything. If I was wrong, Marco would tease me about it till the day I died. Besides, it was impossible. Totally impossible. In case you're wondering, the formal name for a stomach rock is a gastrolith. If you don't have molars, it's not always easy to grind up food, so certain animals, like seals and alligators, eat stones, which then sit in the stomach, and crush and grind food they've swallowed to help the animal digest it. More to the point, paleontologists have discovered that the animal that ate Tobias (and I'm wondering if any of you who haven't already read the book can figure out what it is) also used gastroliths. quote:Even Rachel’s body was crushing me, as her elbows and fists and knees were shoved against me, time and again. So, we leave with Tobias and Rachel being digested. Chapter 6 Jake quote:<It has Rachel and Tobias!> Cassie screamed. This sucks, and Jake knows it, but he also knows that part of leadership means realizing when you have to accept you lost people. That being said, Jake has a bad record in not losing his teammmates during a Sario Rip. quote:We swam away as fast as we could move. I heard a screeching roar of rage reverberating through the water. The monsters were fighting. We swam toward shore. And after a while Cassie swam on her own. Right. Not a tornado. Of course, the Animorphs have the disadvantage of not knowing the title of the book.
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# ? Mar 8, 2021 05:50 |
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What kind of self-respecting 90's kids have never seen Jurassic Park? It shouldn't be that hard to figure it out.
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WrightOfWay posted:What kind of self-respecting 90's kids have never seen Jurassic Park? It shouldn't be that hard to figure it out. I'll give Jake a pass here, since he's almost certainly in shock at losing two people.
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disaster pastor posted:But, again, I'm not going to fault KAA for not knowing how nuclear weapons work when it will become much easier later in this book to fault her for not knowing how morphing works. Yeah. Again, I wonder whether the non-series books may have been written much earlier than their release dates would suggest, since the mistake in question is pretty fundamental.
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# ? Mar 8, 2021 08:02 |
Fuschia tude posted:Yeah. Again, I wonder whether the non-series books may have been written much earlier than their release dates would suggest, since the mistake in question is pretty fundamental. Honestly, I think the mistake works. It adds to the strangeness of this situation.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Honestly, I think the mistake works. It adds to the strangeness of this situation. Yeah when I was a kid it was like a raising the stakes situation, something was fundamentally wrong even beyond time travel.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I'll give Jake a pass here, since he's almost certainly in shock at losing two people. And in shock at 'what the hell just happened?' They'll probably figure it out quickly once they get a moment to think.
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