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hobbesmaster posted:$160k is 84th percentile household income. That seems like a lot of people to be pissing off. it's called bipartisanship, sweaty
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hobbesmaster posted:$160k is 84th percentile household income. That seems like a lot of people to be pissing off. Yeah, but it's really the difference between 200k and 160k household income that you're pissing off. Still a lot, but not 16%. Looks like 6-7% of households got the last check and didn't get this one. wins32767 fucked around with this message at 00:16 on Mar 11, 2021 |
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Mar 11, 2021 00:14
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Time Crisis Actor posted:Well poo poo. I better get around to filing then! If there's one big takeaway from the past few pages, it's make the man give you your goddamn money. If you had any big income swings, or were laid off at all last year, it might be worth talking to a tax pro. Just because you didn't get trumpbux doesn't mean you shouldn't have gotten trumpbux. There's retroactive trumpbux in the name of the Recovery Rebate Credit, which I didn't know about. Also, gently caress the man for making all this poo poo confusing and stupid.
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Mar 11, 2021 00:16
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dems are on track to win the battle but lose the war if they don't get a hold of the narrative and i'm not confident that they even want to win frankly. they sure as gently caress aren't acting like it. here let's see some FO https://twitter.com/OFalafel/status/1369218572065640452 Nostalgia4Infinity fucked around with this message at 00:20 on Mar 11, 2021 |
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Mar 11, 2021 00:17
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wins32767 posted:Yeah, but it's really the difference between 200k and 160k household income that you're pissing off. Still a lot, but not 16%. https://dqydj.com/average-median-top-household-income-percentiles/#Household_Income_Percentiles_for_the_United_States_in_2020 6% seems pretty bad too when elections are so close.
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:dems are on track to win the battle but lose the war if they don't get a hold of the narrative and i'm not confident that they even want to win frankly. Based on what exactly? https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1369785842961682437
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Mar 11, 2021 00:25
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orange juche posted:cry me a fuckin river dude you kept your job. We all need that
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Mar 11, 2021 00:26
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As bad as Democrats will be in the upcoming messaging war, it's very possible the Republicans will be worse. https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1369788693578448898 https://twitter.com/StevenTDennis/status/1369721416522797059 https://twitter.com/AndrewDesiderio/status/1369751410586365954
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Mar 11, 2021 00:27
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What narrative does the GOP have? They've been moaning about Dr. Seuss and Lola Bunny for fucks sake. They don't even have token policies to offer up in contrast to the Democrat's, all they have is the Culture War.
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Mar 11, 2021 00:29
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never underestimate the power of opposing abortion in america for getting votes
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Mustang posted:What narrative does the GOP have? They've been moaning about Dr. Seuss and Lola Bunny for fucks sake. "You're poor and shits not getting better because [immigrants/coastal elites/black people], so we need to [cut taxes/build a wall/give cops more money]" Which would easily be countered with poo poo like, giving everyone the 2k checks and other direct action social programs, like free lunches in school or federal unemployment assistance on a consistent basis instead of when there's some sort of plague.
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Mar 11, 2021 00:41
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What I've seen in the past 20 years in this dumb country is no. they don't need anything besides culture war crap. they have a multibillion dollar media empire that means they probably never will. they will drown in the rising ocean and with the last breath blame obama's wrong kind of mustard.
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Sounds to me like culture's gotta go. Good riddance, american culture is dogshit and also not real.
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Mar 11, 2021 00:43
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A Bad Poster posted:Sounds to me like culture's gotta go. Good riddance, american culture is dogshit and also not real. If you posted this on twitter, some Fox rear end in a top hat would hold it up on air and declare you antifa leadership.
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Mar 11, 2021 00:46
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So what's the basis for thinking Biden's stimulus won't change anything? I have a hard time believing it won't have any impact at all on the way American's view social welfare programs, especially with the huge amount of families that are going to be getting money every month for each of their children. Literally not a single Republican voted for it which I think is going to be difficult to fend off come 2022. I just don't find the doomposting to be particularly compelling in this case.
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Mar 11, 2021 00:50
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Mustang posted:What narrative does the GOP have? They've been moaning about Dr. Seuss and Lola Bunny for fucks sake. i'm sorry, do you live under a rock? how on earth have you not been paying attention since, gently caress as long as i've been alive at least.
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Mar 11, 2021 00:54
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:i'm sorry, do you live under a rock? how on earth have you not been paying attention since, gently caress as long as i've been alive at least. That's all you've got? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Mar 11, 2021 00:55
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thinking the right wing news media won't just lie and make things up to their devoted follows but somehow this time the facts will matter is some tooth-fairy levels of wishful thinking and is, frankly, dangerously naive.
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Mar 11, 2021 00:56
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GOP policies are more money for rich people, none for the poor. Also Jesus. gently caress that guy.
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Mar 11, 2021 00:57
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:i'm sorry, do you live under a rock? how on earth have you not been paying attention since, gently caress as long as i've been alive at least. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZVArXuN3Bs
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Mar 11, 2021 00:57
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Sure, and it lost them the House, the Presidency and the Senate. This is a hugely popular bill and Schumer himself has said Democrats are going to campaign on extending some of it's benefits in 2022. So what else do you have?
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Mar 11, 2021 00:57
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Yeah no, that is a statement that lacks any critical thought behind it and I'm going to call it out. Mustang posted:Sure, and it lost them the House, the Presidency and the Senate. I'll give you more when you respond to my argument instead of repeating DEMOCRATIC TALKING POINTS WHY DO YOU BELIEVE THEM?! Like seriously, did you eat paste as a child? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Mar 11, 2021 01:00
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So you've got nothing. Got it.
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Yeah no, that is a statement that lacks any critical thought behind it and I'm going to call it out. Call it out without being an rear end in a top hat next time.
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Mar 11, 2021 01:02
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Mustang posted:Sure, and it lost them the House, the Presidency and the Senate. For the record, this is actually pretty dumb.
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Mar 11, 2021 01:06
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I may not agree with the approach but I agree with n4i that the Democrats are worthless and people should stop being thankful or cheering for incremental change when the incremental change only comes after we take ten steps backwards. Don’t cheer for people like they did a good job when they are doing less than what should be the bare minimum.
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McNally posted:For the record, this is actually pretty dumb. Oh yeah, why?
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Mustang posted:Oh yeah, why? History dude. You’re asking a party that has shown to be politically impotent for the last decade to ride the high of getting a bill passed during a pandemic all the way to election season. A problematic reason to cheer for a bill to begin with (that they’ll use it as a party platform in 2022).
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I mean running on increasing the minimum wage and $2000 checks for everyone immediately and then delivering neither of those while pointing to "$1.9t in aid tho" is probably going to bother people and going to be a super easy thing to put in a 30 second campaign spot in a year and a half.
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Mustang posted:Oh yeah, why? Because your entire argument is predicated on "GOP gonna have to defend this choice" as though that's actually something they're going to have to do. Their base isn't going to care and is absolutely going to believe them when they say "democrats did a socialism and socialism bad." In the midst of a global pandemic that the GOP actively made worse they only just barely lost in 2020. People didn't elect Biden because he's worth a poo poo. They elected Biden because he wasn't Trump and that's not going to cut it in 2022.
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Ok, sure. So you think this bill have absolutely no impact on anything whatsoever? Why? And I haven't cheered one anyone nor I did I ever claim it was the perfect bill that fixes all of our problems. All I said is that I think it's going to change the way American's view things like social welfare.
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Mustang posted:. All I said is that I think it's going to change the way American's view things like social welfare. Lol no it isn't. We are an entire nation of brain poisoned Rugged Manly Individualists* *Replace with gender/social stereotype that applies. FYGM is our national creedo. The fact that we continue as a single nation is more due to inertia than conscious effort at this point.
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Mustang posted:Ok, sure. So you think this bill have absolutely no impact on anything whatsoever? Why? This isn't going to convince any R voters to shift to Ds. We're at a point with the GOP where it's better to let them die off and flood the D party with every rear end in a top hat under 40, because that's who it's going to effect most. Even then, you're not convincing Jesus and 2A single issue voters regardless of age. There's always going to be regressive shitheels in their 20s because they don't want to maybe possibly (most likely never) have to register their guns or face an actual muslim majority influx, or god forbid tax the rich because they're all gonna hit the powerball one day so gently caress your taxes. At least this is what I gather from the people like that who I know.
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Mustang posted:Ok, sure. So you think this bill have absolutely no impact on anything whatsoever? Why? This bill signals to to the broke-brained right that the Democrats are going to force their own socialist policies through and they need to vote red to stop it. It signals to progressives that the Democrats are going to compromise on their promises for no reason (e.g. cuts to unemployment benefits and they still got 0 Republican votes) and are not to be trusted, driving down turnout on election day. This is an argument completely divorced from the fact that there were good things in the bill.
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boop the snoot posted:I may not agree with the approach but I agree with n4i that the Democrats are worthless and people should stop being thankful or cheering for incremental change when the incremental change only comes after we take ten steps backwards. This general stance makes sense, but then people will never celebrate anything, ever. A central tenet of community organizing is that when you organize for change, and are successful at getting that change, you throw a party and celebrate. Whether it's the passing of a new ordinance, or a community upgrade to a park, or whatever - there's a celebration after. Then, right after the party, you start badgering the gently caress out of powerful people to get the next thing. There was a shitload of fighting to get what we got, even though there didn't need to be. My position is that right now, for a little while, it's party time.
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facialimpediment posted:This general stance makes sense, but then people will never celebrate anything, ever. A central tenet of community organizing is that when you organize for change, and are successful at getting that change, you throw a party and celebrate. Whether it's the passing of a new ordinance, or a community upgrade to a park, or whatever - there's a celebration after. Then, right after the party, you start badgering the gently caress out of powerful people to get the next thing. I think we are so far behind the 8 ball on a lot of things that we should not celebrate anything for the time being at least. This bill does less than the bare minimum. We deserve better and shouldn’t say a positive word about less. You can take what they give you and still be unhappy and demand more.
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Mar 11, 2021 01:22
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facialimpediment posted:If there's one big takeaway from the past few pages, it's make the man give you your goddamn money. Turns out that I retroactively qualify for Trumpbux as well as the current stimmy. In effect, I get a $2000 check! Good times!
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Kobe explains my mentality about this bill pretty well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaplovE3vsg
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Mustang posted:Ok, sure. So you think this bill have absolutely no impact on anything whatsoever? Why? The American Recovery Act 2009 was a 830b[1t today] stimulus package passed in January 09 and the ACA was signed March 2010. The democrats got murdered in the house losing 60 seats by November 2010, and would get thrown out of the senate during the next round of elections. Certainly people are gonna be helped, but taking a victory lap on this bare minimum bullshit is gonna lead to Biden being a lame duck in 2022. Defenestrategy fucked around with this message at 01:37 on Mar 11, 2021 |
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Time Crisis Actor posted:Turns out that I retroactively qualify for Trumpbux as well as the current stimmy. In effect, I get a $2000 check! Good times! MAKE THE MAN GIVE YOU YOUR GODDAMN MONEY
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