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Terminator 3 wasn't that bad, it's just Terminator 2 is a masterpiece.
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Mar 14, 2021 22:30
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Which terminator 3 though.
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Mar 14, 2021 22:30
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Volcott posted:Which terminator 3 though. The Claire Danes one. It certainly was better than whatever Genysis is though that isn't saying much.
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Mar 14, 2021 22:47
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I'm that weirdo that actually liked Salvation best because while it was cheesy B-movie crap, that's pretty much the only place to take Terminator as a franchise in instead of trying to recreate 1 and 2 again and again and again.
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Mar 14, 2021 23:57
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mind the walrus posted:I'm that weirdo that actually liked Salvation best because while it was cheesy B-movie crap, that's pretty much the only place to take Terminator as a franchise in instead of trying to recreate 1 and 2 again and again and again. Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines deserves credit for having the balls to let Skynet win.
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Mar 14, 2021 23:59
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Jedit posted:Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines deserves credit for having the balls to let Skynet win. Ish? I mean Connor lives and now has a base of operations.
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Mar 15, 2021 00:23
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In the sense that they couldn't prevent Judgment Day.
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Mar 15, 2021 00:25
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Conspiratiorist posted:In the sense that they couldn't prevent Judgment Day. Exactly. The theme of T1 is "this will happen, get prepared". T2 is about stopping it happening, but while Cameron was wise enough to drop the original ending where Judgement Day is unambiguously prevented for an open-ended coda about hope, logically for Sarah to stop Judgement Day it had to have happened. It would have been easy for T3 to rinse and repeat and bat Judgement Day down the road for a while. Instead it chose to resolve the argument of predestination versus free will by saying all roads lead to the same place, but you get to choose the road you take.
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Mar 15, 2021 00:43
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So it just does the first one again. Which is lame
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Mar 15, 2021 00:47
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I really enjoyed Dark Fate because I am big fuckin gay for Mackenzie Davis.
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Mar 15, 2021 00:53
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Going through Stargate Atlantis for first time, overall lots of fun. Bit of an issue season 3 ep 3, “Irresistible,” where Richard Kind is a guy on a planet where everyone in his village loves him and does whatever he says because he has a special potion. Fine when he’s trying to get a spaceship or medical supplies, super problematic when discussion gets into his six wives. It’s a lighthearted episode but very similar to season one of Jessica Jones, although Kind isn’t maliciously hurting people, but wish they’d cut the stuff about women not being able to say no and just had him trying to steal artifacts.
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Mar 15, 2021 00:54
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SFDebris did a nice review on that episode once. And at least Jessica Jones treated the guy with absolute mind control powers as horribly serious as it could be.
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Mar 15, 2021 01:15
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Jedit posted:Exactly. The theme of T1 is "this will happen, get prepared". T2 is about stopping it happening, but while Cameron was wise enough to drop the original ending where Judgement Day is unambiguously prevented for an open-ended coda about hope, logically for Sarah to stop Judgement Day it had to have happened. It would have been easy for T3 to rinse and repeat and bat Judgement Day down the road for a while. Instead it chose to resolve the argument of predestination versus free will by saying all roads lead to the same place, but you get to choose the road you take. Not sure about the Christian tradition, but that is the standard Muslim interpretation of predestination. The story I was always told was that a servant was entrusted with a beautiful saddle. He needed money, so he sold it. His master was going to give him the same value for the saddle when he came back. So, the servant ends up in the same place, materially speaking, but a very different position in terms of his virtue.
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Mar 15, 2021 01:43
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Skynet enslaves people because it has to do that to exist. Like, exist at all. It was made by bootstrapping off a terminator chip that was found in the aftermath of its attempt to kill Sarah Conner. If it kills Kyle Reese; then John Conner is never born. If John Conner is never born, it never has to send a terminator back to kill Sarah. If it never has to send a terminator back; they never find the chip. If they never find the chip, it’s never made. Therefore, it enslaves humans because any version of Skynet that doesn’t is never created.
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Mar 15, 2021 03:19
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DeafNote posted:SFDebris did a nice review on that episode once. Yeah if I remember correctly there were people in the victim support group who had "only" been forced to do menial things (like give him stuff) and we're still horrified by the experience.
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Mar 15, 2021 05:36
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Skynet enslaves people because it has to do that to exist. Like, exist at all. It was made by bootstrapping off a terminator chip that was found in the aftermath of its attempt to kill Sarah Conner. If it kills Kyle Reese; then John Conner is never born. If John Conner is never born, it never has to send a terminator back to kill Sarah. If it never has to send a terminator back; they never find the chip. If they never find the chip, it’s never made. Get outta here with your stable time loops.
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Mar 15, 2021 05:48
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The newest Terminator was probably the best version of T3. There's an apocalyptic future without invalidating T2's ending. And we get to see how a Terminator copes with successfully carrying out its mission but not having a way if going back to its time. Sadly, the migrant concentration camps probably won't be getting a chance to age badly anytime soon.
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Mar 15, 2021 05:59
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I do want to give a shout-out to the Sarah Conner Chronicles Episode where the Terminator works on building Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism only to get wealthy enough to build the building he was supposed to kill someone in and sealing himself in the wall until that time came. That's some great time traveling storytelling. Shame about the rest of the show.
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Mar 15, 2021 07:03
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VinylonUnderground posted:Shame about the rest of the show. Haven't watched it since it aired (and TV Series have made a long way since then) but was it bad? I remember linking it way more than the T movies of the same time. The abrupt ending due to the cancellation is about the only thing I remember plot-wise though 
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Mar 15, 2021 10:39
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That Italian Guy posted:Haven't watched it since it aired (and TV Series have made a long way since then) but was it bad? I remember linking it way more than the T movies of the same time. The abrupt ending due to the cancellation is about the only thing I remember plot-wise though Warning that VinylonUnderground is a serial troll formerly known as Incelshok Na when he was trolling the Babylon 5 threads. TSCC was actually a good show. It does have some big flaws, such as Cameron appearing to be a perfectly normal girl up to the moment she's revealed as a Terminator but never acting that way again even in the same circumstances, but it also did the most interesting things with the concept and actually injected stakes for the characters. Vick's Chip in S1 is probably the best episode; we get to see a Terminator in true long term infiltration mode, including the disquieting concept of it using a human wife as cover. Also you get to see a Terminator singing "Donald, Whaur's Your Troosers?", which frankly is worth it by itself.
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Mar 15, 2021 11:00
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Dark Fate was ruined a little by T2 making a whole point out of how you have to flip a switch to make the Terminators neural net brain teachable, and then in Dark Fate the Terminator just learns stuff all by himself.
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Mar 15, 2021 11:09
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evobatman posted:Dark Fate was ruined a little by T2 making a whole point out of how you have to flip a switch to make the Terminators neural net brain teachable, and then in Dark Fate the Terminator just learns stuff all by himself. You're thinking of the extended cuts of T2. The scene in the theatrical cut just said they could learn, no switch required. I do prefer the extended version, though. It has a better version of the mirror surgery scene from the original movie and also adds the confrontation between John and Sarah where he first takes on the mantle of leader.
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Mar 15, 2021 11:18
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packetmantis posted:I really enjoyed Dark Fate because I am big fuckin gay for Mackenzie Davis. I always think people are talking about mazkenzie crook when i hear the name lol.
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Mar 15, 2021 12:33
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Danger - Octopus! posted:Ha, I just started watching this too and had the exact same thoughts It's called "male gaze" and once you notice it, you'll never unsee it. So many times the camera gets placed right behind and to the side of a female actor so that her breasts make up a third of the shot while the action is going on in front of her.
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Mar 15, 2021 12:49
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Hyrax Attack! posted:Going through Stargate Atlantis for first time, overall lots of fun. Bit of an issue season 3 ep 3, “Irresistible,” where Richard Kind is a guy on a planet where everyone in his village loves him and does whatever he says because he has a special potion. Fine when he’s trying to get a spaceship or medical supplies, super problematic when discussion gets into his six wives. I remember one where some recurring-space-larrakin (same guy? ep?) has used his advanced knowledge to install himself as lord of a medieval society with the six wives and everything. The community is like 'yeah, its exactly what it looks like but now we have clean water and mills and all that good stuff and frankly we're all for it'
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Mar 15, 2021 13:43
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Jedit posted:Warning that VinylonUnderground is a serial troll formerly known as Incelshok Na when he was trolling the Babylon 5 threads. Garrett Dillahunt as a terminator is really good.
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Mar 15, 2021 13:43
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Garrett Dillahunt
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Mar 15, 2021 13:46
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Garrett Dillahunt as a terminator is really good. A time traveling robot named Chrome Martin was a bit on the nose though.
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Mar 15, 2021 14:00
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Which one of the terminator 3s had the lovely digitally altered Arnold?
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Mar 15, 2021 15:40
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Garrett Dillahunt as a terminator is really good. 
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Mar 15, 2021 16:15
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BgRdMchne posted:Which one of the terminator 3s had the lovely digitally altered Arnold? The one with Christian Bale has about 5 seconds of them before the skin melts off. It's been years since I've seen it, but I remember it being pretty rough.
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Mar 15, 2021 17:20
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Skynet enslaves people because it has to do that to exist. Like, exist at all. It was made by bootstrapping off a terminator chip that was found in the aftermath of its attempt to kill Sarah Conner. If it kills Kyle Reese; then John Conner is never born. If John Conner is never born, it never has to send a terminator back to kill Sarah. If it never has to send a terminator back; they never find the chip. If they never find the chip, it’s never made. So what you're saying is Skynet is Roko's Basilisk.
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Mar 15, 2021 17:24
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Jedit posted:TSCC was actually a good show. It does have some big flaws, such as Cameron appearing to be a perfectly normal girl up to the moment she's revealed as a Terminator but never acting that way again even in the same circumstances, but it also did the most interesting things with the concept and actually injected stakes for the characters. Vick's Chip in S1 is probably the best episode; we get to see a Terminator in true long term infiltration mode, including the disquieting concept of it using a human wife as cover. John's season-long rebellious phase drama sucks rear end, too. And the showrunners had no loving idea what they were doing with the overall plot and themes of the show. And then it abruptly ends. But it did do some fun stuff, so it's a decently entertaining watch.
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Mar 15, 2021 17:40
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The best bit of SCC is when John is trying to fix some part of Cameron's reactor in her chest, and is having some kind of sexual awakening about a killer robot pretending to be his sister (and that probably killed him in the future). It's amazingly awkward and messed up, it owns.
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Mar 15, 2021 17:57
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Chubby Henparty posted:I remember one where some recurring-space-larrakin (same guy? ep?) has used his advanced knowledge to install himself as lord of a medieval society with the six wives and everything. The community is like 'yeah, its exactly what it looks like but now we have clean water and mills and all that good stuff and frankly we're all for it' Go back to the Bronze Age and this was a fairly regular occurrence, except just with some warlord from the next tribe over with slightly better war technology.
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Mar 15, 2021 19:21
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BgRdMchne posted:Which one of the terminator 3s had the lovely digitally altered Arnold? Pretty sure all of the Terminator 3s, but the most recent one looked pretty good.
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Mar 15, 2021 19:45
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TSCC had this really cool scene of a SWAT team vs a Terminator hiding in a motel, that they didn't film, probably due to budget constrictions and as a result, it just shows their body hitting the hotel pool one by one. It was actually much more disturbing than showing the fight, as it conveyed some pretty dreadful sense of futility. Found it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWZFkPiFlkE e X has a new favorite as of 21:08 on Mar 15, 2021 |
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Mar 15, 2021 21:04
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e X posted:TSCC had this really cool scene of a SWAT team vs a Terminator hiding in a motel, that they didn't film, probably due to budget constrictions and as a result, it just shows their body hitting the hotel pool one by one. It was actually much more disturbing than showing the fight, as it conveyed some pretty dreadful sense of futility. Admittedly, I know very little about music licensing costs, but was shooting the scene really THAT much more expensive than getting the rights to a Johnny Cash song? Or were they going to play it during the never filmed fight (which would probably look silly as hell)?
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Mar 16, 2021 13:19
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AceOfFlames posted:Admittedly, I know very little about music licensing costs, but was shooting the scene really THAT much more expensive than getting the rights to a Johnny Cash song? Or were they going to play it during the never filmed fight (which would probably look silly as hell)? Neither do I, and the cost-saving mature thing is only really something I heard on the internet, so 
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AceOfFlames posted:Admittedly, I know very little about music licensing costs, but was shooting the scene really THAT much more expensive than getting the rights to a Johnny Cash song? Or were they going to play it during the never filmed fight (which would probably look silly as hell)? The frequency with which Johnny Cash songs pop up on shows/films suggests to me they probably don't charge crazy amounts like a Beatles or Led Zeppelin do. ASCAP says "the majority" of clearance fees are between $20-45,0000. I'd guess that's a lot cheaper than filming a complex action sequence.
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