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It's the German tax ones pays. Just have to think it in the terms that yeah, it's (relatively) cheap to buy. But it was once worth six figures and the parts and service don't depreciate with it.
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https://newlondon.craigslist.org/cto/d/pawcatuck-your-next-toxic-relationship/7288984140.html quote:Is it love? Is it hate? Who knows! But you can't help wanting it even though you know it won't get you where you wanna go in life.
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Bajaha posted:Seconded. There's the easy way, the hard way, and the German way. Some jobs can be much more time consuming than you think or will require specialized tools, and if you're not doing your own labour prepare to be paying maintenance costs typical of vehicles that had an msrp around $100k. They're usually cheap now because the costs to keep them running are high and owners don't want to pony up. As Motronic mentioned, there's a bathtub curb in values and even on the 955 Cayenne's I've been seeing clean and maintained examples listed for decent sums. Buying one and not have the ability to service yourself or at the very least gumption to learn will only lead to heartbreak, financial ruin, or a whole lot of tears... or combination of all 3. Heaven forbid if you want/need the engine to be rebuilt properly by a 3rd party. Want someone who actually knows their poo poo rebuild the engine? Prepare to drop $20K. Or more. Double that for a factory reman unit.
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There's a really big part of me that wants this. Luckily I do not have a camper or six grand. https://m.facebook.com/marketplace/item/438534587228059/
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^^^ Shame, looks like a pretty good deal, cheaper than some crate engines even slidebite posted:That's the key. A commoner buying a Porsche still has the Porsche premium that comes along with the name, regardless if that 6-figure vehicle is now "worth" low 5-figures. Service rates rarely go down. Maybe some parts prices do as jobbers come on stream as the vehicle ages, but that's about it and might be small consolation.
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mobby_6kl posted:^^^ They did kind of sell a lot of them comparatively and since they're SUVs a lot of the purists think they're Haram, it's a supply and demand thing
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The Cayenne is the only Porsche I see on a regular basis, and it's definitely the only model I see people driving during the winter. This is in Minnesota where we use a lot of road salt to deal with the snow 
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I had a dim view of the Cayenne when they first came out and the massive proliferation of them among rich, boring people hasn't really improved their image in my eyes, but I'll be damned if they aren't rock-solid Porsche products. My dad got a 955 Cayenne S after wanting a Porsche his whole life and I was really ready to be unimpressed by it but it just does everything competently and luxuriously and is still a very fun to drive car. Also the fastest I've ever driven a car, I've driven stuff at 80 that felt shakier than the Cayenne at 150.
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The most astonishing thing about the 955 to me is that it still FEELS like a Porsche. It's super overweight, mine is on all terrains, yet it still handles largely the way you would expect if you're used to Porsches. It's some kind of magic.
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Cool, I'm learning stuff! Just dimly remembering how much those thing cost new, I figured any car selling for that was a fractal series of expensive unsolvable problems.
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It's actually one of the things that I really like with the 996/986 era. It's right on the cusp of being "modern" enough (interior opinions not withstanding) but still wrenchable by someone without having a dealer computer or even a durametric.
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Exactly what years/configuration of Cayenne are the most reliable? Use case would be basically what you think of for a Land Rover (hauling feed and farm poo poo, people, bang sticks, and the occasional off-track hound) on field roads and dirt tracks though the woods.
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Nice to see an old car come with its records.  https://atlanta.craigslist.org/sat/cto/d/lagrange-1970-pontiac-gto-the-judge/7290674561.html
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Still getting higher than asking...send me your offer.
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angryrobots posted:Exactly what years/configuration of Cayenne are the most reliable? Use case would be basically what you think of for a Land Rover (hauling feed and farm poo poo, people, bang sticks, and the occasional off-track hound) on field roads and dirt tracks though the woods.  I'm running a 2004 955 turbo. The turbos (almost) all have air suspension, which is just great for towing. So is the extra power. 955/957s ('04-'10) have a real transfer case and are largely stupid simple to work on with a few known issues (superior german plastic coolant passages that needs to be updated, SAI pumps that go bad, a front carrier bering that supposedly goes bad a lot but I've not had an issue with at this point). These were the original ones, built for the Transsyberia rally to give them some street cred. Every generation past this has been softer and softer, the way the bulk of them are driven/used. I have no idea what I'll replace it with when the time comes. It will likely end up having to be two different things. Motronic fucked around with this message at 16:34 on Mar 14, 2021 |
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Porsche does seem to be able to screw up cooling system.
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Motronic posted:
So the Turbo doesn't come with a service/reliability penalty vs the non-Turbo V8? Is the air suspension adjustable, or just an auto leveling thing?
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angryrobots posted:So the Turbo doesn't come with a service/reliability penalty vs the non-Turbo V8? Is the air suspension adjustable, or just an auto leveling thing? The turbo has a SHITLOAD of rads/coolers up front, making access a bit funky. It also has a couple of coolant T's that should be swapped out along with the coolant pipes you'd otherwise be swapping out on the NA/S model. I've not hears any significant reliability penalties but of course you've got two turbos and two diverter valves to go wrong. Air suspension is height adjustable in the cabin and will autolevel to whatever height you've set it at as you drop a trailer on/load it so you're always level. Other fun options include a factory rear locker that I've rarely seen and only then on turbos. On all 955s you do need to throw in an isolator for your trailer lights. Like many vehicles of this era they have funky incandescent lightbulb out detection which just freaks out with a trailer with LEDs connected. Best to just isolate it from the start. mobby_6kl posted:a 2010 MY, duh Sigh, you're probably right. Colostomy Bag posted:Porsche does seem to be able to screw up cooling system. To be fair, they're "new" at this......isn't everything supposed to be oil/air cooled?  (Seriously it seems like MOST of their cooling problems are explained with "superior german plastics" being used.) Motronic fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Mar 14, 2021 |
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PeterCat posted:Nice to see an old car come with its records. Now I know it's a Judge and everything, but even I am skeptical it's a good price, what with the price of getting something from Lagrange [point.] Micro-meteors are hell on glass, and all the cosmic rays can create radioactive isotopes that really complicate paintwork Slidebite I found something: https://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/lethbridge/2002-infiniti-q45-v8-4-5l-360hp-one-price-for-two-cars/1555551243 Please read till the end. I have two Infinity Q45's for sale. One is black, 190000 km, active status, used all the time, in good condition, custom exhaust, rear-wheel drive, strong and fast. The other is green, 136000 km, after collision with a deer, only front is damaged (radiator, lights, bumper, and hood). BUYER TAKES BOTH CARS. I won't sell them separately or for parts.
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Nebakenezzer posted:Now I know it's a Judge and everything, but even I am skeptical it's a good price, what with the price of getting something from Lagrange [point.] Micro-meteors are hell on glass, and all the cosmic rays can create radioactive isotopes that really complicate paintwork I like how he says the body is straight when you can see rust on just about every panel. How much do you suppose just the VIN would go for? I feel like you'd be better off building a car from the YearOne catalog and just bolting the VIN plate onto it.
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Bajaha posted:Seconded. There's the easy way, the hard way, and the German way. Some jobs can be much more time consuming than you think or will require specialized tools, and if you're not doing your own labour prepare to be paying maintenance costs typical of vehicles that had an msrp around $100k. They're usually cheap now because the costs to keep them running are high and owners don't want to pony up. As Motronic mentioned, there's a bathtub curb in values and even on the 955 Cayenne's I've been seeing clean and maintained examples listed for decent sums. One thing to keep in mind on previously expensive and now affordable German luxury vehicles is you don't want to be the third or fourth owner. Second owners of these things are notorious for deferring all maintenance because they didn't realize how expensive parts and labor are. More common on X5 and similar sized stuff but it's an issue on these as well. We looked at a couple when we were looking for a wife car but nothing around here came back from PPI with less than 2k in deferred stuff plus whatever else they found.
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Speaking of tempting cayennes: https://carsandbids.com/auctions/rxB2BkL6/2009-porsche-cayenne-gts 
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When someone asks if they should buy a S600, my response is usually be prepared to spend around 10K in the first year to get it right. There is a reason it is sitting on the lot. It's all a matter of perspective. When an owner of a Chevy Malibu gets dinged with a 2K repair they are incredulous. When an owner of a German luxo barge gets word of a 2K repair they are relieved.
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This pops up often. Same guy also has a legit gto that hes been trying to sell for YEARS because he wants way too much. https://buffalo.craigslist.org/cto/d/buffalo-2009-pontiac-g5-gto-black-ebony/7291684949.html https://buffalo.craigslist.org/cto/d/best-of-class-ls-gto-outer-harbor-show/7291687490.html I emailed him in Jan 2019 to make fun of how long he's been trying to sell it.
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Don't get the "GTo" thing and the nice MSPaint, but just to email someone out of the blue to make fun of them is kind of a dick move. Was he an rear end in a top hat to you or something?
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I said "I think its a little high mate" "Made fun of" was the wrong phrase. "Expressed confusion towards" fits better.
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NitroSpazzz posted:One thing to keep in mind on previously expensive and now affordable German luxury vehicles is you don't want to be the third or fourth owner. Come join me in my thread where I went all in on an 04 Cayenne S, shoveled my way through all the deferred maintenance and broken things, only to sell it as a non runner once the cylinder scoring problem they're known for pretty much killed it. It was fun, but yeah, financially it was not smart. The calls for stripping it for parts when I first got it were correct, should have, would have, could have, didn't. Nothing more expensive than a "cheap" Porsche.
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Nebakenezzer posted:from Lagrange All I hear is ZZ Top. quote:Slidebite I found something: That doesn't seem like a bad price. I like the look of the Q. PeterCat posted:I like how he says the body is straight when you can see rust on just about every panel. That is very, very illegal. And "straight" means "not bent or wrecked", not "rust free". That said, the hood and decklid are bent. Rust doesn't look terrible (if it's actually a Georgia native, what you see is all there will be for the most part - those are common A-body rust areas, even in TX) and the car looks complete. Might be worth that if a real Judge, as it looks to be. edit: ah, he does mention the hood and "one quarter panel", I'm guessing the one he neglected to take a picture of. Cage posted:This pops up often. Same guy also has a legit gto that hes been trying to sell for YEARS because he wants way too much. My dude, it's a Cobalt, and an automatic at that. Love that he specifically shows that he's priced it $600 above estimate. You're "private party" there, guy. quote:https://buffalo.craigslist.org/cto/d/best-of-class-ls-gto-outer-harbor-show/7291687490.html Weird emphasis on words always triggers me. "PROfessional" (x2). "CUT/OUTS" WTF are you on?
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Bajaha posted:Come join me in my thread where I went all in on an 04 Cayenne S, shoveled my way through all the deferred maintenance and broken things, only to sell it as a non runner once the cylinder scoring problem they're known for pretty much killed it. You are dashing my hopes.
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Bajaha posted:Come join me in my thread where I went all in on an 04 Cayenne S, shoveled my way through all the deferred maintenance and broken things, only to sell it as a non runner once the cylinder scoring problem they're known for pretty much killed it.
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Darchangel posted:All I hear is ZZ Top. LaGrange, GA is better than the one in Texas though arguably not by much.
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mobby_6kl posted:boxster? How has it been in term of repair and maintenance? It's been not bad. Tires and oil changes only so far after the initial sorting it out, both have been reasonable, albeit higher than your typical sedan or SUV parts prices. Also you need a scan tool capable of clearing the reminder, I went with a durametric for the rest of the fun stuff it lets you do. Budget around $1500 CAD a set of tires every two years and $80 - $100 CAD annual oil change. Mine's got a little bit of a noise coming from the rear shocks over harsh bumps so I'll likely do struts all round either this season or next, and I've been topping up the PS fluid (which is priced like fine liquor) and now in storage it looks like made a little puddle from the front so will have to take a good look before getting it back out, thinking maybe the rack needs some seals thrown at it but I'll see once I get under it. Oh, and I have terrible luck with Porsche water pumps, I would recommend just changing it preemptively at your leisure if you're looking at anything 60k miles plus. Much cheaper to DIY than getting a specialty shop or dealer to do it.
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TotalLossBrain posted:..They'll try to reset your CL account, CL sends you a verification #, and that's what they want to ? list fraudulent poo poo on your account or something? This seems like a long shot... I think you've got it right. An account that's existed for a while and has a history adds plausibility either for their own scams or for someone who's paying them to get accounts.
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Bajaha posted:Nothing more expensive than a "cheap" Porsche. gently caress. Was going to post "THERE IS NOTHING MORE EXPENSIVE THAN A CHEAP GERMAN CAR".
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Darchangel posted:That is very, very illegal. Which part of the car is considered the car? There is so little of my old Cutlass that's original that it's hardly the car that left the plant in 73. I suppose if you just replace one piece at a time it keeps it legal?
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Midjack posted:LaGrange, GA is better than the one in Texas though arguably not by much. L6 and L7 Tell me those places are okay for satellites at least
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PeterCat posted:Which part of the car is considered the car? There is so little of my old Cutlass that's original that it's hardly the car that left the plant in 73. Ahhh, we're going to get into the car of theseus conversation. To answer your direct question: shmaybe?
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Darchangel posted:That is very, very illegal. I bet it’s rusted out at the base of the windshield and around the back window from sitting out in the rain and that’s why it looks so swampy inside. In which case the floors will be no good.
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Bajaha posted:Come join me in my thread where I went all in on an 04 Cayenne S, shoveled my way through all the deferred maintenance and broken things, only to sell it as a non runner once the cylinder scoring problem they're known for pretty much killed it. Your thread was an eye opener for sure, I think my 928 experience would have ended similarly if I tried to fix everything that was wrong with it. Despite knowing better I keep considering a Cayman or Cayman S but have flashbacks of your thread, the 928 and various other disaster stories.
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