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Watching this is eerie as gently caress. Both these scenes played out roughly the same in Josstice, but these are clearly different takes with different dialog and very different cinematography. I don't think it can be overemphasized how uncanny it is that ZS's film is finally coming out. Or maybe I should say: it can't be overemphasized how uncanny it is that WB decided to completely reshoot an already finished film — only to make it less dynamic.
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What I meant by the "ideology of the superhero" is less about vigilantism, though they both get off on beating up people, and more about the power of the will kind of thing where Ozymandias is allowed to be a mass murderer because he's the ubermensch.
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Do weird twitter people think $70 million is a lot for visual effects on a 4 hour superhero movie?
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Yes. They really do. People on twitter have no idea what it takes to even make a 70 dollar movie.
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CelticPredator posted:Disney did it with Solo. And we’ll never see that footage. God, that'd another one I'd love to see.
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AccountSupervisor posted:Maaaaan that little detail of her putting her lasso away, busting out her shield and then flipping her sword in her hands
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Schwarzwald posted:God, that'd another one I'd love to see. I hate solo so much because they fired two of my favorite filmmakers for some bland rear end poo poo. Maybe OG solo sucked rear end and wasnt funny. But I’d rather see it over what we got.
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Martman posted:Do weird twitter people think $70 million is a lot for visual effects on a 4 hour superhero movie? The ratio of people who talk about movies with authority v people who actually work in movies is comically skewed.
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Schwarzwald posted:Watching this is eerie as gently caress. Both these scenes played out roughly the same in Josstice, but these are clearly different takes with different dialog and very different cinematography. Holy poo poo lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LoBx812Ujs Its like they actively sapped the scene of all life, pacing and intensity.
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CelticPredator posted:Yes. They really do. The budget for the first Superman movie in the 1970s was $55 million, to help put things in perspective.
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They should get Zack Snyder to fix the Avengers next.
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Mantis42 posted:What I meant by the "ideology of the superhero" is less about vigilantism, though they both get off on beating up people, and more about the power of the will kind of thing where Ozymandias is allowed to be a mass murderer because he's the ubermensch. I think that goes into the idea of vigilantism, that being an ubermensch justifies it and means you deserve the authority to use violence to solve problems. Its interesting to compare Ozymandias and Homelander in that regard though, he's definitely the "I can do whatever I want" type. Not even about any pretense of justice at that point. Martman posted:Do weird twitter people think $70 million is a lot for visual effects on a 4 hour superhero movie? Most people hear "one million dollars" and go "gosh that's so much money, because I've never had that much money" without actually considering all the costs involved in hiring and paying the amount of people it takes. If you haven't run a business or at least been a manager, you tend to think in terms of personal finance and not business operating budget. Its some weird quirk of psychology than you can know that a movie cost "$300 million" or something but it doesn't really register, its just monopoly money at that point. Video games are worse; A lot of people legit think that indie games can be made on a budget of like 100k no problemo. Without considering the number of employees or how badly you'd be paying them were that the case. Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 05:59 on Mar 16, 2021 |
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CelticPredator posted:I hate solo so much because they fired two of my favorite filmmakers for some bland rear end poo poo. Absolutely! Lets be real tho: if Disney hated it, how terrible could it have really been? Hopefully, if ZSJL is anything near a success the big studios will reconsider the MCU style of homogenized content extrusion. (This will not happen.)
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CelticPredator posted:Maybe OG solo sucked rear end and wasnt funny. But I’d rather see it over what we got. That's my take on the potential Ayer cut of Suicide Squad.
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Zaphod42 posted:That's my take on the potential Ayer cut of Suicide Squad. You can, at the very least, get a feel for the original tone Ayer's cut would've had from its first look comic-con trailer before it got butchered: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLLQK9la6Go
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McCloud posted:Challenging in the sense that the audiences preconceptions are challenged. Man of Steel famously features massive collateral damage due to the metropolis fight, and people reacted harshly to this because they are used to sanitized violence where no one but the bad guys get hurt. Trying to watch the dc movies we missed, so we're watching Aquaman today but had to take a break. It's the antithesis of Snyder's films, where there's no real consequence out side of plot reasons. It's pretty much exposition and explosions the movie, he's just using powers with no thought, committing suicide if that traumatized pilot is to be believed. Aquadkid openly uses his powers and changes his eyes and nothing comes of it. It felt like king dolph admitted no one could believe the plot but they knew it was needed in order to have a movie. We're gonna try and finish it tomorrow and then start shazam, Shazam can't be worse right?
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Imagine the audacity of just waltzing in here, telling some folks who've been following this poo poo from day one that there was no Snyder cut.  bushisms.txt posted:Trying to watch the dc movies we missed, so we're watching Aquaman today but had to take a break. It's the antithesis of Snyder's films, where there's no real consequence out side of plot reasons. It's pretty much exposition and explosions the movie, he's just using powers with no thought, committing suicide if that traumatized pilot is to be believed. Aquadkid openly uses his powers and changes his eyes and nothing comes of it. It felt like king dolph admitted no one could believe the plot but they knew it was needed in order to have a movie. We're gonna try and finish it tomorrow and then start shazam, Shazam can't be worse right? People who most hated BvS loved Shazam. That's all I will say about that.
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Zaphod42 posted:Video games are worse; A lot of people legit think that indie games can be made on a budget of like 100k no problemo. Without considering the number of employees or how badly you'd be paying them were that the case. I mean, you could, but that wildly depends on what kind of game you're making, which may be on the level of 'up to maybe four people staying at home to work plus some software licenses'.
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I, a registered Snyder liker, enjoyed Shazam a lot, but afterward somebody pointed something out about it to me that makes me wonder if it will bother or distract me on a re-watch: namely, Billy and his alter ego don't really act like they're the same person.
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Timeless Appeal posted:I think there are a couple of issues with this post: Like other said, it's portrayed as a huge heroic moment for Superman, not one of horror or defeat, but the larger point I was making wasn't that their actions aren't justified, but that Snyderman and Timman acted in a very similar way, but one was viewed as shocking and "not true to the character" while the other was viewed as cool and badass. The animated version is way more sanitized than the former, that evokes feelings of 9/11, you absolutely feel people actually died in the MoS scene, unlike the animated one, and that's jarring. Regarding your second point, that's kind of a weird take on my comment. Like, i don't think the idea of violent or flawed heroes is mindblowing to people, no. What I attempted to convey was that portraying Superman like that was jarring for people, because there are different expectations of the superhero genre, and especially the ultimate Paragon and Father of Superheroes, and quite possibly the most noble fictional character in the world aside from maybe Jesus, than a former assassin and action films in general. I don't think im exaggerating when I say that people were angry about the collateral damage in MoS.
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Bongo Bill posted:I, a registered Snyder liker, enjoyed Shazam a lot, but afterward somebody pointed something out about it to me that makes me wonder if it will bother or distract me on a re-watch: namely, Billy and his alter ego don't really act like they're the same person. I did get that vibe, though I kinda chalk it down to that Billy as Captain Whatevertheygetaroundtonaminghim aren't exactly the same person; one's a teenager, one's an adult, with implicit supernatural influence on his mind and intelligence, and the confidence of a powerful adult body and appearance. Though then again, almost feels like the Captain is more childish than the serious minded, withdrawn Billy. But then, that could be Billy feeling the confidence to do the kid things he wants to. In short, a land of contrasts. McCloud posted:Like other said, it's portrayed as a huge heroic moment for Superman, not one of horror or defeat, but the larger point I was making wasn't that their actions aren't justified, but that Snyderman and Timman acted in a very similar way, but one was viewed as shocking and "not true to the character" while the other was viewed as cool and badass. The animated version is way more sanitized than the former, that evokes feelings of 9/11, you absolutely feel people actually died in the MoS scene, unlike the animated one, and that's jarring. Well, the Timm one is literally a children's cartoon that can't explicitly show death, though Timm and Dini were really good at inference.
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bushisms.txt posted:Trying to watch the dc movies we missed, so we're watching Aquaman today but had to take a break. It's the antithesis of Snyder's films, where there's no real consequence out side of plot reasons. It's pretty much exposition and explosions the movie, he's just using powers with no thought, committing suicide if that traumatized pilot is to be believed. Aquadkid openly uses his powers and changes his eyes and nothing comes of it. It felt like king dolph admitted no one could believe the plot but they knew it was needed in order to have a movie. We're gonna try and finish it tomorrow and then start shazam, Shazam can't be worse right? Aquaman has strengths and weaknesses. I think some of the concepts and scenes and costumes look amazing, but it does feel a bit samey at some points. My cousin loved it, but I was only so-so on it. Shazam is very extremely okay; but it accomplishes what it set out to do, and what the last minute recuts of things like Suicide Squad didn't; its actually fun and lighthearted. Its a good kids movie, that adults can watch and not hate. The villain is bad and the plot is pretty thin but it has some heart so its not totally awful. Ghost Leviathan posted:I mean, you could, but that wildly depends on what kind of game you're making, which may be on the level of 'up to maybe four people staying at home to work plus some software licenses'. Yeah I mean, "game" covers a lot, you can definitely make some things on a smaller budget than that, and game jam games can be fun. But people will think that about games which took years to make, which is just unreasonable. Bongo Bill posted:I, a registered Snyder liker, enjoyed Shazam a lot, but afterward somebody pointed something out about it to me that makes me wonder if it will bother or distract me on a re-watch: namely, Billy and his alter ego don't really act like they're the same person. I agree, I think that's the weakest part of the film. Its tough to get good child actors but Zachary Levi is just doing his usual thing.
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Bongo Bill posted:I, a registered Snyder liker, enjoyed Shazam a lot, but afterward somebody pointed something out about it to me that makes me wonder if it will bother or distract me on a re-watch: namely, Billy and his alter ego don't really act like they're the same person. This is my exact stance on Shazam. I've re-watched it a few times and while Levi not really acting like his kid counterpart when in superhero mode is something that's super noticeable now, I still find the film charming and enjoyable. I like both it and Aquaman about the same tbh.
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roffels posted:The budget for the first Superman movie in the 1970s was $55 million, to help put things in perspective. To put it into a better perspective 55 million today, according to the inflation calculator is $221,867,638.04. So.
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I think my main issue with aquaman is it doesn't commit to being a wacky comic film. It's got all this poppy dumb modern dialogue that bogs things down when the only other things they're saying are plot points and motivations. Like in the beginning mantadad hits Aquaman with a grenade and while he's down on the ground literally smoking, no one quips anything about a fish fry. Either go all in or don't.
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Mr. Apollo posted:Here are two promo clips. No spoilers or anything. One is a brief clip of Diana vs Steppenwolf in the tunnel and the other is the League discussing using the Motherbox to bring back Superman in the Wayne Hanger. love how his armor ripples after he's hit
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AccountSupervisor posted:Holy poo poo lol If you pay attention batman fighting is part of a different scene.The hostages are gone , and the multiple parademons get reduced to one.Even the bricks change shape.
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bushisms.txt posted:I think my main issue with aquaman is it doesn't commit to being a wacky comic film. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A62djdsGW8A 
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McCloud posted:Imagine the audacity of just waltzing in here, telling some folks who've been following this poo poo from day one that there was no Snyder cut. I loved BvS and Shazam. I actually got really frustrated with Shazam because I absolutely loved that it acknowledged Snyders larger world while simultaneously being its own thing with its own tone. I believed this was the same world, although very different movies. Its exactly why I think its possible to have both Snyder-esque operas and more lighthearted, small stakes films in one universe. Shazam shares a much more toned down version of the overall aesthetic and vibe of the Snyderverse and is obviously much different movie in tone, but its not a complete stylistic or tonal departure like WW84.Theres still a bit of grit in Shazam. A bit of Snyders influence. It makes it all the more interesting and all the more unique in its potential for crossovers/teamups. Id be absolutely delighted to see Zachary Levis Shazam being contrasted next to Aflecks brooding and gritty Bruce/Batman. Thered be a lot of organic, unforced character dynamics that could be born from the potential of making vastly different superhero movies that share a universe and light connecting threads. The Marvel formula of rigid stylistic mandates and straight line phased and episodic arcs is not the only formula for success in the superhero realm and I really wish WB/DC could see that.
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AccountSupervisor posted:Holy poo poo lol I like how at 2:30 batman's mouth doesn't even move as he ADR's "Jesus, he is tall!"
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AccountSupervisor posted:Maaaaan that little detail of her putting her lasso away, busting out her shield and then flipping her sword in her hands That scene alone is cooler than anything in WW84. Also, she just lets go of the lasso in the Josstice clip. Maybe she has spares.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I did get that vibe, though I kinda chalk it down to that Billy as Captain Whatevertheygetaroundtonaminghim aren't exactly the same person; one's a teenager, one's an adult, with implicit supernatural influence on his mind and intelligence, and the confidence of a powerful adult body and appearance. Though then again, almost feels like the Captain is more childish than the serious minded, withdrawn Billy. But then, that could be Billy feeling the confidence to do the kid things he wants to. In short, a land of contrasts. Oh sure, that is not in any way a slight against the Dini-verse or the DCAU. I'm a big fan myself, I'm just strictly talking about audience reactions here. Not implying they should have shown darkseids body mowing through people in the building  AccountSupervisor posted:I loved BvS and Shazam. Well I guess i'll be a liar and amend my previous statement a bit. I disliked Shazam, it's quite possibly my least liked DCEU film after Josstice League and WW84, but I still think it's a good movie. It's just..not a film for me. I think it's great that it's out there with a silly and more campy tone, and I like that the films in the DCEU are actually different from each other instead of just being snyder clones.
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The Vanity Fair review of this is awesome:quote:"Watching Snyder’s intermittently rewarding epic—if nothing else a spectacle of completed vision—stirred up surprising emotions. Not about what happens to the people (and aliens) in the film, but about what happened to its maker, and to the course of human events while Justice League 2.0 wrestled its way into being. There is a bittersweet suggestion made by this turgid, solemnly weighted film. Toward the end of my screening odyssey—one sixth of a whole day on Earth!—I found myself thinking about all the ways of the old world that I have mourned over the last year, about all the petty hopes and plans I had for my life that were washed away by pandemic and quarantine. https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2021/03/zack-snyder-justice-league-review
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The old narrative is collapsing, turning to dust in the wind, as it turns out to have been built on sand and out of cardboard and spit. Does anyone really remember Endgame?
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The old narrative is collapsing, turning to dust in the wind, as it turns out to have been built on sand and out of cardboard and spit. The Snyder Renaissance is upon us... a new day is dawning... lol if Army of the Dead is a hit with critics. quote:Does anyone really remember Endgame? I remember how poorly it holds up in a home setting, but I also remember how great its theater experience was on opening night. It's literally MCU Fanservice The Movie™ — great for diehards, most def, but for me the luster of how Endgame felt like a live concert of a band playing all their greatest hits completely vanished the moment I walked out the theater. As such, the film suffers greatly as a result of losing that communal celebration feeling imo. [edit] Endgame also has some really poor messaging underneath: let's glorify the death of a tech-bro billionaire who privatized arc reactor technology that would literally make the world a better place because he managed to get his hands on the ultimate weapon of mass destruction and blew himself up with it in order to kill big purple evil alien man. teagone fucked around with this message at 09:59 on Mar 16, 2021 |
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I’m fine with endgame being the last big blockbuster crowd pleaser ever if that’s the case. I ain’t seen anything like that.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The old narrative is collapsing, turning to dust in the wind, as it turns out to have been built on sand and out of cardboard and spit. https://twitter.com/emmavigeland/status/1265426371515383809 https://twitter.com/rhymeswithbeg/status/1324818484556107787
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