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falz
Jan 29, 2005

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Is echobee tops at smart without cloudy IoT crap?

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Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT
It reads the sensors and modulates the overall temp based on schedule and occupancy, which is all I want.

They do get you by making the remote sensors dependant on wifi network connection for pairing an additional one.

You can have it forget the network after setup too, and you only lose the app and the usage tracking on ecobees site.

um excuse me
Jan 1, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
I think about the only time I ever used an internet connected thermostat was to turn up the temperature at my house about an hour before I got there coming back from vacation while sitting on the tarmac at the airport after landing. I have a nest and absolutely do not like Google's privacy policy. Looking for a decent looking way out

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

I just have the most basic honeywell thermostat

I've noticed that with some stuff like new fridges pretty much everything is "smart." But you can just not connect it to your internet.

Also some really expensive ones have a camera so you can see what's inside on a display instead of just... opening the door?

Dareon
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin
My generator is IoT enabled/smart (I'm not entirely clear on the difference). It's still the same kind of pull-rope start that generators have pretty much always been, but it's got a Bluetooth connection that links to an app on my phone to show me fuel/load levels and approximate running time, and allow remote or timed shutdown. I think the only thing a malicious actor could do with it is mildly inconvenience me (Oh no, I need to go outside again and restart a warm engine).

I have more of an issue with the actual reporting. It's way too granular, only giving me an eight-segment bar for fuel and load levels and changing the reports on an interval instead of real-time. That last I suppose is okay, you'd be reporting changing fuel levels constantly just from the vibration in the small tank.

I enjoy the idea of the Internet of Things, but that's entirely my 50s retrofuturism and the influence of childhood cartoons like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjGTKPBUw0s
e: That's not the full cartoon, copyright reasons I suppose, but you get the idea.

Dareon fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Mar 13, 2021

Queen Victorian
Feb 21, 2018

Blistex posted:

Just needed a place to vent about this.

Building a house this spring, and I for sure wanted a smart thermostat. I was looking around and saw this...

The Honeywell M5 smart thermostat prototype.



:gowron:

It's sleek, minimalist, clean, classic, and smart. I always loved the old Honeywell Rounds, and this was the perfect 21st century version of it.

A few months later their round, smart thermostat hits store shelves...



It's sort of silly, but I'm legit disappointed they took a thing of beauty that looked timeless, and turned it into a bigger, uglier nest. :bahgawd:

I don’t think your disappointment is silly at all. That’s a gorgeous high design prototype that they completely ruined. I hope there is a special circle in design hell reserved for the type of higher ups and committees that kill good designs.

I have an ancient T87 right now and it’s not going anywhere until there exists a programmable (but preferably not internet connected or too “smart” for its own good) thermostat that isn’t an ugly hunk of plastic with a dumb glowing screen. Like I’d kill for a T87-like retro-looking thermostat that has optional smart capabilities but a completely analog no-screen interface and the ability to function as an analog unit if the computerized aspect gets bricked or you disable it. Also anodized aluminum or brass casing. And it needs to not get confused by cast iron radiators (last time I checked, smart thermostats had a tendency to get tripped up by old radiator systems because they do everything extremely slowly and keep radiating heat and raising the temp even after set point is reached).

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

Queen Victorian posted:

I have an ancient T87 right now and it’s not going anywhere until there exists a programmable (but preferably not internet connected or too “smart” for its own good) thermostat that isn’t an ugly hunk of plastic with a dumb glowing screen.

It seems that a lot of the newer smart thermostats are surveillance devices first, and thermostats second. I don't want a device that runs off a company cloud and comes equipped with one or more mics. The Google offerings are basically consumer data mining devices, and I'd be happy with a strictly wifi one that I can adjust from my phone while driving home. Probably going to just get a 7day programmable one and star stuck in the 20th century.

Queen Victorian
Feb 21, 2018

Blistex posted:

It seems that a lot of the newer smart thermostats are surveillance devices first, and thermostats second. I don't want a device that runs off a company cloud and comes equipped with one or more mics. The Google offerings are basically consumer data mining devices, and I'd be happy with a strictly wifi one that I can adjust from my phone while driving home. Probably going to just get a 7day programmable one and star stuck in the 20th century.

Ain’t that the truth. The whole suite of Nest products creeps me out. When I was in my apartment, which also had an ancient T87, I got an email from maintenance saying they were going to install Nests and could they please have our WiFi password. Reason being was that they were tired of fixing burst pipes after their idiot student tenants went home for winter break and turned the heat off instead of down, so they wanted to be able to monitor temperature in the units and prevent burst pipes. I declined because gently caress Nest and gently caress giving my landlord my WiFi password and reassured them that I knew better than to turn the heat off in the dead of winter. If they’d asked me to plug in a dumb temperature sensor that they could ping, I would have happily obliged.

My parents still have the same programmable thermostat that they installed while remodeling the house in the mid 90’s. The interface is a bit obtuse and it falls into the ugly hunk of white plastic design category, but it works fine and doesn’t spy on you.

I get sad looking at vintage specimens of mundane household fixtures like thermostats and light switches because they used to look so goddamn cool. Especially the Art Deco stuff (it is the 20’s again Art Deco needs to come back). I guess the intent in recent decades is for them to be “invisible”, hence bland white/beige plastic, but that just made them ugly and stand out like a sore thumb if your house is anything other than bland white/beige contemporary. I need poo poo that looks good in a dark wallpapered Victorian and white plastic and/or glowing round screen with trendy UX typography simply won’t do. I suppose I could manufacture custom casing for anything I deem too ugly/anachronistic if there aren’t better options...

KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

how do people actually do interior design? moving into house soon and I'm almost certain we don't have any stuff that has cohesive design but also not enough to fill up the house so we will actually get to plan what we add.

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

KidDynamite posted:

how do people actually do interior design? moving into house soon and I'm almost certain we don't have any stuff that has cohesive design but also not enough to fill up the house so we will actually get to plan what we add.

you can start with what you already have and know you want to keep, and figure out the placement of those items first. Then you can add other items as needed later. Try to start with the "major" items and build around that, for example the sofa, bed, tables, media units, etc. Do you have a diagram showing the layout of the house?

Youth Decay
Aug 18, 2015

The Zillow search term of the day is "dating"

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/9071-Maple-Lawn-Ln-Rapidan-VA-22733/12221963_zpid/


https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/15-Honey-Hollow-Rd-Pound-Ridge-NY-10576/2077233800_zpid/


https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/5453-York-Rd-Buckingham-PA-18938/251399225_zpid/


https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/200-Route-133-West-Tinmouth-Rd-Wallingford-VT-05773/304042128_zpid/



https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/9-E-Main-St-East-New-Market-MD-21631/36813817_zpid/


https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/11-Church-St-8-Rockport-ME-04856/2078776711_zpid/


https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1145-Beechwood-Blvd-Pittsburgh-PA-15206/11629298_zpid/


https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2405-Ski-Trail-Ln-Steamboat-Springs-CO-80487/76269962_zpid/



https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/675-Pauls-Ln-Water-Mill-NY-11932/32729122_zpid/


https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/105-S-12th-St-APT-400-Philadelphia-PA-19107/71246810_zpid/


https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/210-N-East-St-Weyauwega-WI-54983/225360662_zpid/




https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/3515-Bossler-Rd-Elizabethtown-PA-17022/9696141_zpid/


https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/204-King-George-St-Annapolis-MD-21401/36135457_zpid/



https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/869-Childs-Point-Rd-Annapolis-MD-21401/35994750_zpid/ "Stonewater" by Wayne Good (1998) with antique materials





https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/200-E-Walnut-St-204-Danville-KY-40422/2073358295_zpid/ this cheap little cabin isn't much to look at but it's well worth saving, if someone would take a chance on it



This was likely the first free school in Kentucky

More about Craddock and Tardiveau, a fascinating couple (and a couple in the truest sense of the word) https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/12361708/robert-craddock-and-peter-tardiveau-the-filson-historical-society

Metaline
Aug 20, 2003


Why do none of these houses have window treatments? I don't care how much land I have, I don't want Jason peeping in at night, and I don't want drafty windows.

This is also my number one issue with tiny house tours on YouTube. No one has curtains and their butt is always within 2 feet of a window. Are all these people never nudes or what.

SkyeAuroline
Nov 12, 2020


What the hell is somewhere like this doing in WI?

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

Metaline posted:

Why do none of these houses have window treatments? I don't care how much land I have, I don't want Jason peeping in at night, and I don't want drafty windows.

some of the ones in the pictures have blinds but not all.

KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

actionjackson posted:

you can start with what you already have and know you want to keep, and figure out the placement of those items first. Then you can add other items as needed later. Try to start with the "major" items and build around that, for example the sofa, bed, tables, media units, etc. Do you have a diagram showing the layout of the house?

going to magicplan it as soon as the current tenants move out. we're doing some light reno before we move in. we have nice dressers for the bedroom but we're upgrading to a king size so need to figure out bed situation(I really want a 4 poster canopy), 3 mid century looking pieces(coffee table, media console, and a stand alone shelving unit) in the living room(2 black hemnes bookcases but they don't really fit the theme), but couch from burrow is going in the finished basement because we hate it. our offices are kind of a clean slate.

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

ok sounds good, you might want to post about it in the q&a thread and I can help as much as I can

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3955916

falz
Jan 29, 2005

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Metaline posted:

Why do none of these houses have window treatments? I don't care how much land I have, I don't want Jason peeping in at night, and I don't want drafty windows.

This is also my number one issue with tiny house tours on YouTube. No one has curtains and their butt is always within 2 feet of a window. Are all these people never nudes or what.
When you list a house for sale and the window treatments are up, that typically means they're included. Lots of people take them down first to avoid this and avoid dealing with it in the offer phase.

corgski
Feb 6, 2007

Silly goose, you're here forever.

HelloIAmYourHeart
Dec 29, 2008
Fallen Rib
Youth Decay Eames Chair Count: 20.5

wheatpuppy
Apr 25, 2008

YOU HAVE MY POST!
I had seen the photo before but never noticed the showerhead, which makes the carpet an even worse idea. The window height contributes to the suggestion that is a room with a normal tub and a really tall sink counter, slowly filling with mold.

Goober Peas
Jun 30, 2007

Check out my 'Vette, bro


I think they literally raised the entire floor in the bathroom. I'd keep those two blue sinks though!

Youth Decay
Aug 18, 2015

The Zillow search term of the day is "asymmetrical"

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1711-E-Gwinnett-St-Savannah-GA-31404/14155902_zpid/



https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/5810-Tree-Line-Dr-Fitchburg-WI-53711/40148975_zpid/






https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2006-Rivershore-Rd-Elizabeth-City-NC-27909/107051680_zpid/



https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/59-Crestview-Rd-Milton-MA-02186/57471902_zpid/



https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/3601-Wood-St-Texarkana-TX-75503/87170992_zpid/


https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/321-S-Jefferson-St-Hastings-MI-49058/74642165_zpid/



https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/8961-SW-108th-St-Miami-FL-33176/44283255_zpid/



https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/309-N-Broadway-Nyack-NY-10960/53391492_zpid/






https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/314-N-Barrington-Ave-Los-Angeles-CA-90049/20547173_zpid/ by Eric Rosen Architects (2014)



https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/6380-N-Highway-1-Little-River-CA-95456/2084352341_zpid/ by Paul Tay (1981)

Youth Decay
Aug 18, 2015

The Zillow search term of the day is "early American".

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/170182-Kent-Rd-S-Cornwall-Bridge-CT-06754/2078913147_zpid/





https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/811-Fox-Hill-Rd-Chatham-MA-02633/56775335_zpid/



https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/73-Hoagland-Rd-Blairstown-NJ-07825/40098599_zpid/

m'lady



https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/401-High-St-East-Hartford-CT-06118/59290350_zpid/

not sure if revolutionary war nerd or boogaloo dork, or both



https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/816-818r-Centre-St-Boston-MA-02130/190012625_zpid/






https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/91-Plumtrees-Rd-Bethel-CT-06801/58772437_zpid/ original house ca. 1800, additions and remodel ca. 1970s-80s





https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/234-N-Payne-St-Alexandria-VA-22314/192120316_zpid/ this isn't *that* old (1875) but I just love the aesthetic, not something you usually see in townhouses


https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/119-Spring-St-Newport-RI-02840/65809950_zpid/ I checked the 3D tour and no, this house does not actually have an unearthly glow


and the Worst Attempted Photoshop Award goes to...


Vintersorg
Mar 3, 2004

President of
the Brendan Fraser
Fan Club



Jimmy Fallon's 3 story apartment is up for sale if you got $15 million laying around.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/lyapalater/jimmy-fallons-nyc-apartment-is-absolutely-unreal-and-its
https://www.sothebysrealty.com/eng/sales/detail/180-l-1178-gx7cy5/34-gramercy-park-east-phb-downtown-manhattan-new-york-ny-10003

Sneeing Emu
Dec 5, 2003
Brother, my eyes
Costco members, jump on it.

I worked for an architectural firm a long time ago and the furniture company they did business with offered us Eames chairs at like half retail cost. Still way too much for the money I was making just out of college, but I wish I had the means back then.

https://slickdeals.net/f/14898388-c...1#post146032270

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actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

lol at the comments

SkyeAuroline
Nov 12, 2020

actionjackson posted:

lol at the comments

They've got a point. $4500 is "a deal" but still miles past the "absurd" line in terms of what you're paying vs what you're getting.

Vintersorg
Mar 3, 2004

President of
the Brendan Fraser
Fan Club



What a deal!

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

SkyeAuroline posted:

They've got a point. $4500 is "a deal" but still miles past the "absurd" line in terms of what you're paying vs what you're getting.

I would never buy that chair, but I don't buy anything leather anyway.

not sure what a reasonable price on it is, obviously you are paying the Eames markup. The design and look of it is incredibly good though imo especially with some of the vicenza leather options like tobacco

I'm still getting two of the Eames side chairs though, just can't beat them for design and comfort imo. but I'm only overpaying a few hundred, instead of a few thousand ;)

actionjackson fucked around with this message at 19:18 on Mar 16, 2021

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

got those happy feet

They now make the eames lounger with mohair upholstery.

SkyeAuroline
Nov 12, 2020

https://twitter.com/evren__7/status/1371557745686577152?s=19

Facebook Aunt
Oct 4, 2008

wiggle wiggle





That seems like a lot of effort to be dumb. Wouldn't it have been easier to just cut 6 inches off the bottom of the door and leave the floor alone?

SkyeAuroline
Nov 12, 2020

Facebook Aunt posted:

That seems like a lot of effort to be dumb. Wouldn't it have been easier to just cut 6 inches off the bottom of the door and leave the floor alone?

While this is clearly giving zero fucks about code either, I believe minimum doorway height is part of construction code? Looks like the kind of thing a rules lawyer pulls.

um excuse me
Jan 1, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

SkyeAuroline
Nov 12, 2020


start measuring the distance to a professional. wow.

Youth Decay
Aug 18, 2015

The Zillow search term of the day is "wow factor"

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/5-Deerfield-Rd-Wilton-CT-06897/57419495_zpid/



I appreciate that this glass-wall bathroom has a pull-down privacy shade


https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2100-Palmer-Dr-Lake-Havasu-City-AZ-86406/8332067_zpid/



why would you not go with Casa De Cerveza


https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/30-Easton-Ln-Moreland-Hills-OH-44022/33716885_zpid/



https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/363-Patrician-Way-Pasadena-CA-91105/20856532_zpid/


https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/704-Barnes-Rd-Monticello-FL-32344/246949967_zpid/





https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1502-Fox-Chapel-Rd-Pittsburgh-PA-15238/11562946_zpid/





https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1193-Bullock-Rd-Magnolia-MS-39652/229510692_zpid/




https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/39-Gissing-St-Blandford-Blenheim-ON-N0J-1V0/2072544056_zpid/ A ~modern farmhouse~ church conversion that makes my eyes bleed

"The Knotty Room" :barf:

No motherfucker I will NOT have a good poop

the most depressing office

Buttchocks
Oct 21, 2020

No, I like my hat, thanks.

Youth Decay posted:

the most depressing office


Yeah, but a great place to film an 80's music video.

Dancing Peasant
Jul 19, 2003

All this for stealing a piece of bread? :waycool:


I think I’ve watched a scene where some MILF got railed in this house

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

Dancing Peasant posted:

I think I’ve watched a scene where some MILF got railed in this house

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Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

Youth Decay posted:


the most depressing office


Alexandro Jodorowsky's house?

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