Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Post
  • Reply
AARD VARKMAN
May 17, 1993

Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:

Working my way through the Leftovers season 2 and International Assassin is up next. No clue what's gonna happen but I do know people make youtube videos of themselves watching it.

i would have sworn to you that episode was in season 3.


Anyway, I'd kill for another show as good as the Leftovers. I have a memory like a sieve for most TV, but I remember a lot of that show.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

SLOSifl
Aug 10, 2002


Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:

Working my way through the Leftovers season 2 and International Assassin is up next. No clue what's gonna happen but I do know people make youtube videos of themselves watching it.
Absolutely report back after International Assassin. One of the all-time great episodes of anything.

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

Aardvark! posted:

i would have sworn to you that episode was in season 3.


Anyway, I'd kill for another show as good as the Leftovers. I have a memory like a sieve for most TV, but I remember a lot of that show.

Watchmen has an episode that's really similar

Cactus
Jun 24, 2006

Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:

I instantly aged 20 years when I figured out where I'd seen that actress before.

Yeah same, I had that feeling that I knew I'd seen her somewhere before so I checked and it turns out I've seen her in absolutely loads of stuff. She's a female version of a "that guy" actor that Party Down had a running joke about the main guy being. I'll remember Mageina Tovah properly now though because I really liked Zelda's character.

Goast
Jul 23, 2011

by VideoGames
my childhood scifi binge has been going well

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

Goast posted:

my childhood scifi binge has been going well



WITH MARGARITA SHOOTERS

ShakeZula
Jun 17, 2003

Nobody move and nobody gets hurt.

Alright, I finished Bojack Horseman. Generally speaking, I liked it! As a comedy it was a slam dunk, just hilarious. Whether going for clever wordplay or facepalm-worthy animal puns, it all just worked, and it was the humor more than anything that made it so easy to binge all 7 seasons over the course of just under two weeks.

As a drama, I thought it was good, but not great. There were moments that they really nailed, and some interesting explorations of depression and addiction, but if the show hadn't been so funny I probably would've dropped it a season or two in for being a bit too "misery porn." Maybe that element of the show just can't fully breathe in such a compact viewing period, I don't know, but a lot of the dramatic plot points rang hollow to me after a while. And some of the characters who make sense and shine as part of a comedy ensemble just don't hold up when the show asks me to take them seriously as wounded emotional beings.

Still, very glad that I finally watched it. Now I think I'm going to take the general advice of this forum and check out Ted Lasso.

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

Ask me about the shitty opinions I have about Paradox games!
I rewatched Parks And Rec recently, haven't seen it since it was new. Season 1 wasn't as bad as I remember but god has any other show ever had a character like Mike?
Where he's a relic of the bad seasons, but he lasts quite a good while and ALSO where he's never back in any shape or form or mentioned again?

He's not even bad exactly, he's just kinda there.

I will also say I think them changing Jerry's name and sticking to it universally was just loving weird. And for a show about politics it sure was completely messageless other than "more women doing anything even if they're unbelievably evil".

sticklefifer
Nov 11, 2003

by VideoGames

Taear posted:

I rewatched Parks And Rec recently, haven't seen it since it was new. Season 1 wasn't as bad as I remember but god has any other show ever had a character like Mike?
Where he's a relic of the bad seasons, but he lasts quite a good while and ALSO where he's never back in any shape or form or mentioned again?
Not quite the same, but the first thing that comes to mind is all the weird stuff 30 Rock tried to do early on to keep Rachel Dratch on the show after Jenna was recast, and then she keeps showing up later.

Jet Jaguar
Feb 12, 2006

Don't touch my bags if you please, Mr Customs Man.



I watched Parks and Rec once. While I’m glad I did, the treatment of Jerry makes the idea of another rewatch unbearable.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
check the feeds.

The Jerry thing always sat weird with me. The show tried to address it a few times and countered it by having his life away from the office be wonderful. There's one episode where only the nice people are invited to his really great Christmas party and the rest of them are left to realize they're assholes. But like... it never changes or anything. They all just keep being assholes to Jerry.

RestingB1tchFace
Jul 4, 2016

Opinions are like a$$holes....everyone has one....but mines the best!!!

Taear posted:

I rewatched Parks And Rec recently, haven't seen it since it was new. Season 1 wasn't as bad as I remember but god has any other show ever had a character like Mike?
Where he's a relic of the bad seasons, but he lasts quite a good while and ALSO where he's never back in any shape or form or mentioned again?

He's not even bad exactly, he's just kinda there.

I will also say I think them changing Jerry's name and sticking to it universally was just loving weird. And for a show about politics it sure was completely messageless other than "more women doing anything even if they're unbelievably evil".

It was Mark. And he was just a drag on every scene. Just brough zero to the show.

sticklefifer posted:

Not quite the same, but the first thing that comes to mind is all the weird stuff 30 Rock tried to do early on to keep Rachel Dratch on the show after Jenna was recast, and then she keeps showing up later.

I never knew that the Jenna character was rewritten and that Rachel Dratch was originally going to play the character. Interesting. Can't imagine the show differently.

STAC Goat posted:

The Jerry thing always sat weird with me. The show tried to address it a few times and countered it by having his life away from the office be wonderful. There's one episode where only the nice people are invited to his really great Christmas party and the rest of them are left to realize they're assholes. But like... it never changes or anything. They all just keep being assholes to Jerry.

The episode you are referring to is a little different. Everyone WAS invited to the Christmas party....but the three or four that were stuck outside wondering why they didn't get invited all realized that they had Jerry emails marked as spam.....so they never saw the invitation.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
check the feeds.

RestingB1tchFace posted:

The episode you are referring to is a little different. Everyone WAS invited to the Christmas party....but the three or four that were stuck outside wondering why they didn't get invited all realized that they had Jerry emails marked as spam.....so they never saw the invitation.
Ah yeah, that makes more sense because like... Jerry is too nice not to invite people.

withak
Jan 15, 2003


Fun Shoe
Yeah Jerry basically wins.

Velvet Elvis
Jul 1, 2007

Just starting season 4 of Plebs. A very funny show that doesn’t get nearly enough love.

Hughmoris
Apr 21, 2007
Let's go to the abyss!
Re-binging some 30 Rock. It holds up as being one of my favorite shows of all-time, especially for being 15 years old (I know...) at this point.

30 Rock has to have the most JPM (jokes per minute) in the history of television.

Inspector 34
Mar 9, 2009

DOES NOT RESPECT THE RUN

BUT THEY WILL
For recent shows I'd say Angie Tribeca probably has it best for jpm.

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

Jet Jaguar posted:

I watched Parks and Rec once. While I’m glad I did, the treatment of Jerry makes the idea of another rewatch unbearable.

Eh, when they reveal that Jerry doesn't really give a poo poo because he has a hot wife and a perfect family while everyone else is usually miserable for one reason or other and he's just happy to make them laugh it kinda makes up for it

Also I forget his name but I think Jerry also had his own Jerry

DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 10:47 on Mar 15, 2021

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

wiggly eyes!



Hughmoris posted:

Re-binging some 30 Rock. It holds up as being one of my favorite shows of all-time, especially for being 15 years old (I know...) at this point.

30 Rock has to have the most JPM (jokes per minute) in the history of television.

I used to talk about exactly this point when recommending it to people. "If you don't like or get a joke don't worry, there's another one in a few seconds."

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

Ask me about the shitty opinions I have about Paradox games!

DarkCrawler posted:

Eh, when they reveal that Jerry doesn't really give a poo poo because he has a hot wife and a perfect family while everyone else is usually miserable for one reason or other and he's just happy to make them laugh it kinda makes up for it

Also I forget his name but I think Jerry also had his own Jerry

He has a lovely family but he just doesn't seem to notice how horrible they are to him - I think that's worse.
And Chris dating his daughter is a proper weird storyline.

RestingB1tchFace posted:

It was Mark. And he was just a drag on every scene. Just brough zero to the show.

Oh yea. He wasn't that bad, he was just there. I think I hate Jean-Ralphio more. Maybe he made it worth it by having Jenny Slate as his sister and Henry Winkler as his dad, though.

AARD VARKMAN
May 17, 1993

Inspector 34 posted:

For recent shows I'd say Angie Tribeca probably has it best for jpm.

I've only seen the first 7 or 8 episodes of the show but they keep some of the jokes going way too long imo. makes it hard to binge watch

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

wiggly eyes!



Aardvark! posted:

I've only seen the first 7 or 8 episodes of the show but they keep some of the jokes going way too long imo. makes it hard to binge watch

They did, and they sadly got rid of my favourite reoccurring joke where the scream at the end of the intro-credits blend into something actually happening, like someone burning themselves on a hot coffee

Buttchocks
Oct 21, 2020

No, I like my hat, thanks.
Finished watching Bring It On, Ghost. Overall, it was entertaining paranormal soap dramedy. I was actually surprised by the twist that ghost girl wasn't actually dead. I also give the show credit for spending most of the last episode on epilogue, and wouldn't mind other series trying that. The epilogue wasn't really necessary, but it was a satisfying wrap-up to the romance plot without feeling tacked on or dragging.

I did think the development was very uneven among the storylines and characters. the first half focused too much on the two comic relief characters and the serial killer, but they weren't connected well to the main story so I didn't care about what was going on and was just annoyed. We do find out more about the main dude and the monk in the second half when everything starts tying together, but I would have preferred spreading more of that exposition over the earlier episodes.

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin
Been binging Better Call Saul for the past few weeks. Took me a while to get into it without the crime angle and Bryan Cranston/Aaron Paul but drat, they definitely bring out the first after the first season in force and Bob Odenkirk/Jonathan Banks are near as good as the second. If someone else doesn't find the dynamics between Jimmy/Saul and his brother engaging, I heartily suggest to stick with it because...you will. In the end, it is in my opinion a character study just as great as Walter White, only very different.

I have also been preparing for my first re-watch of Breaking Bad after it, though I probably have to wait for Season 6 to make it as complete. It is the only re-watch I am dreading even though I know what will happen. There just isn't a show as heavy in my opinion.

Though reading this thread apparently the Leftovers makes for a good challenger, which is another show I dropped but which everyone says is worth sticking with. Maybe I'll give it a shot while waiting for season 6.

Anyway Vince Gilligan is just amazing. I'll still rank the Wire above his work, but that is because of the scope and scale of the cast as well as the subject matter, and somehow everyone manages to be amazing in it except the One Weak Spot everyone knows. But I think if I am allowed to count BB/BCS as one show, barring some massive gently caress-up in Season 6 they just definitely beat the Sopranos while previously BB and it had the shared silver spot in my inner ranking.

DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Mar 15, 2021

Qmass
Jun 3, 2003

house.

taub loving sucks

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
check the feeds.

DarkCrawler posted:

Eh, when they reveal that Jerry doesn't really give a poo poo because he has a hot wife and a perfect family while everyone else is usually miserable for one reason or other and he's just happy to make them laugh it kinda makes up for it

Also I forget his name but I think Jerry also had his own Jerry

I mean... it softens the blow and you can watch being confident that Jerry is blissfully unaffected and happy.

But it doesn't really address the awkwardness of the joke of "all these otherwise nice people are absolutely terrible assholes to this one guy hahaha".

Its one bad joke on a show I largely loved. But its a consistent one.

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

IMO the joke works because they are otherwise very nice people. And he did have one job and hosed up the time capsule.

BigBallChunkyTime
Nov 25, 2011

Kyle Schwarber: World Series hero, Beefy Lad, better than you.

Illegal Hen
Ginny and Georgia on Netflix is a good show, and the actress who plays Georgia is fantastic.

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

.
Jerry will be remembered through all time as a treasured mayor beloved by the people of his cooky small town. Every other character on the show will have made an appearance at a congressional impeachment hearing at some point.

mongeese
Mar 30, 2003

If you think in fractals...
I binged through all 5 episodes of It's a Sin. What a great show, just randomly started watching it and just couldn't stop until I got through all of the episodes. Covers a group of friends in London during the AIDS crisis in the 80s to early 90s.

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

STAC Goat posted:

I mean... it softens the blow and you can watch being confident that Jerry is blissfully unaffected and happy.

But it doesn't really address the awkwardness of the joke of "all these otherwise nice people are absolutely terrible assholes to this one guy hahaha".

Its one bad joke on a show I largely loved. But its a consistent one.

Well, for my part, I don't consider most of the cast members as "otherwise nice people". Well, ok, Chris. Who I don't in fact recall being too bad in regards to Jerry!

Slamhound
Mar 27, 2010
The thing about Jerry and characters like him is that while I like the trope of an inoffensive character who is inexplicably and irrationally loathed by everyone else, it generally relies on that character either not realizing it or not giving a poo poo. Otherwise it’s just cruel.

With Jerry, the attempts to make his personal life so awesomely awesome undercuts the joke because it calls too much attention to itself. That was meant to assuage the audience, not the character.

I think Hitchcock and Scully on Brooklyn 99 are a better version of this. They don’t give a poo poo about what the main characters think.

AARD VARKMAN
May 17, 1993

Slamhound posted:

The thing about Jerry and characters like him is that while I like the trope of an inoffensive character who is inexplicably and irrationally loathed by everyone else, it generally relies on that character either not realizing it or not giving a poo poo. Otherwise it’s just cruel.

With Jerry, the attempts to make his personal life so awesomely awesome undercuts the joke because it calls too much attention to itself. That was meant to assuage the audience, not the character.

I think Hitchcock and Scully on Brooklyn 99 are a better version of this. They don’t give a poo poo about what the main characters think.

i feel like hitchcock and scully are actually deserving of most of the scorn they receive though

Slamhound
Mar 27, 2010

Aardvark! posted:

i feel like hitchcock and scully are actually deserving of most of the scorn they receive though
True, but they’re actually good detectives who are fine with being losers which puts them into the “not giving a poo poo” category.

Chef Boyardeez Nuts
Sep 9, 2011

The more you kick against the pricks, the more you suffer.
Leftovers update: poo poo's amazing and season 2 on is less oppressively bleak. International Assassin was good, but a bit of a letdown because I knew in advance that it was so good so I didn't get the mind-blowing experience of catching it live.

I'm on to Season 3 now and I've noticed a trend where every Matt episode is the least anticipated and the best received.

"That's the guy I was talking about." Goddamn.

Memnaelar
Feb 21, 2013

WHO is the goodest girl?

Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:

Leftovers update: poo poo's amazing and season 2 on is less oppressively bleak. International Assassin was good, but a bit of a letdown because I knew in advance that it was so good so I didn't get the mind-blowing experience of catching it live.

I'm on to Season 3 now and I've noticed a trend where every Matt episode is the least anticipated and the best received.

"That's the guy I was talking about." Goddamn.

I love Christopher Eccleston and was so glad he got so much to work with over the course of this show. Matt was a great character.

Cactus
Jun 24, 2006

Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:

Leftovers update: poo poo's amazing and season 2 on is less oppressively bleak. International Assassin was good, but a bit of a letdown because I knew in advance that it was so good so I didn't get the mind-blowing experience of catching it live.

I'm on to Season 3 now and I've noticed a trend where every Matt episode is the least anticipated and the best received.

"That's the guy I was talking about." Goddamn.

Just started on this tonight. I'd forgotten how full of anguish and despair that first season was, but I want to see it all fresh before getting to the last season which is the one I haven't seen.

I'm going to need something more upbeat to watch alongside it I think though, how did Future Man turn out? I only saw the first (excellent) season, did the rest hold up? Failing that I feel a rewatch of Party Down would be just the ticket.

Solkanar512
Dec 28, 2006

by the sex ghost
I have to say, Warrior was a lot of fun and covered a place and time that has been largely ignored, but man did I cringe every time they referred to sex workers.

Here’s hoping the show lands a third season.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
check the feeds.

DarkCrawler posted:

Well, for my part, I don't consider most of the cast members as "otherwise nice people". Well, ok, Chris. Who I don't in fact recall being too bad in regards to Jerry!

Its largely Leslie to me. Ann and Ben are pretty nice people too (and Andy after a point) but I don't think they were especially cruel to Jerry. But Leslie would poo poo on him and observe everyone else doing it and I just didn't think that fit her character at all. And the show even kind of lampshades it a couple of times when Jerry retires or the one time Leslie DOES notice and tries to stop it. It just always felt very off and out of character to me.

But again, one bad joke.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Cactus
Jun 24, 2006

Welp, that's season 1 of the Leftovers done. It was a) better than I remembered at the time and b) not as depressing as I remembered it being. I mean, it is depressing, of course, but it nowhere near had the same effect on me as it did back then. I think it's because of a few reasons, and the reason why I watch shows or what I want out of them has changed.

I think when it released I was still in the mindset of having being watching mystery shows like Lost and the like and expecting some explanations or answers out of them, plus there's the fact that now in 2021 I have some real-life perspective on what it feels like to live through sensless events that literally affect and change the whole world, and affect people in different ways. I also no longer watch every show I choose to watch solely to "be entertained" (although some do still fall under that banner) and the Leftovers scratches a different itch that I didn't really have back when it first came out. I'm not sure what I'm saying even makes sense but that's ok, that's kinda where I am right now and that's why I just "enjoyed" - or for the want of a better word, "appreciated" - the Leftovers season 1.

Watching those Guilty Remnant arseholes getting brutally beaten and murdered was cathartic as hell. Kevin should totally have accepted that FBI guy's offer. Of course I know why he didn't, but he should have.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • Post
  • Reply