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Black August posted:I like dragon wishes being vastly more powerful if you accept monkey-paw downsides with them, that’s cool and opens up story ideas this is what I'm about--we've already seen dragons with variable levels of power and different numbers of wishes, the idea of a dragon min-maxed for Biggest Wishes With Fewest Balls (but with huge caveats to compensate) sounds both reasonable and rad as hell, to me
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I don't think the dragon balls actually being used for the plot is more boring than being ignored until the heroes need to revive someone Like if every villain just wished to be immortal or something then yeah it'd be dull but we've had different uses for dragon balls across Resurrection F, the Future Trunks arc, the Moro arc, and now this.
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Mar 13, 2021 23:01
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I figured it was a monkey's paw thing too, but they really only used that for reviving freeza in a million little chunks though. Maybe Shenron was feeling petty that day?
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Mar 13, 2021 23:02
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Blockhouse posted:I don't think the dragon balls actually being used for the plot is more boring than being ignored until the heroes need to revive someone I mean my problem is now they are being retrofitted to move the plot along which it’s dragon ball I don’t expect consistency but at least change things up. At least then being used as a reset is happening in the part of the plot I absolutely do not care about. As dragon ball already isn’t known for strong finishes
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Mar 13, 2021 23:25
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Tribladeofchaos posted:I figured it was a monkey's paw thing too, but they really only used that for reviving freeza in a million little chunks though. Maybe Shenron was feeling petty that day? That definitely felt like him being petty, since he gave Krillin a body back when he was blown up by frieza.
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Mar 14, 2021 00:25
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Tribladeofchaos posted:I figured it was a monkey's paw thing too, but they really only used that for reviving freeza in a million little chunks though. Maybe Shenron was feeling petty that day? He said ahead of time, that it had been so many years since his death that he would only be able to restore him in the state he died in. And it was a bad state.
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Mar 14, 2021 00:35
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The hosed-up thing is that if Trunks hadn't blasted the Freeza bits into dust he still would have been alive
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Mar 14, 2021 00:38
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Momomo posted:That definitely felt like him being petty, since he gave Krillin a body back when he was blown up by frieza. That was Porunga, who explicitly said he was doing that as a bonus.
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Mar 14, 2021 00:38
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Blockhouse posted:The hosed-up thing is that if Trunks hadn't blasted the Freeza bits into dust he still would have been alive Yeah, at the time it felt like complete overkill. Resurrection "F" shows us that no, Trunks was completely in the right in being that careful because Freeza's durability is absolute bullshit.
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Blaze Dragon posted:Yeah, at the time it felt like complete overkill. Resurrection "F" shows us that no, Trunks was completely in the right in being that careful because Freeza's durability is absolute bullshit. And shows that Cell's own bullshit wasn't just from Namekian regeneration being overclocked to 11
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Mar 14, 2021 02:26
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how did dr. gero somehow not know about super saiyan despite getting cells from frieza and king cold
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Aurora posted:how did dr. gero somehow not know about super saiyan despite getting cells from frieza and king cold it was automated.
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Mar 14, 2021 02:37
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CharlestheHammer posted:I mean my problem is now they are being retrofitted to move the plot along which it’s dragon ball I don’t expect consistency but at least change things up. I mean this is really no different than Piccolo wishing himself younger and thus powering himself up. It's either that, raising from the dead, or wishing themselves taller.
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I feel like it's worth noting that nobody has really tried the "make me stronger" thing on Dragonballs because everyone with reasonable access to them doesn't want a cheap power up. They're all martial artists who take pride in their ability to get strong on their own merits or egotistical assholes. Zamasu is probably the closest exception and "I wish I had a Goku body" is just a similar wish for a powerup filtered through Zamasu's particular brand of evil. Like Goku is dejected and unhappy he got a powerup from his friends and family, dude isn't going to take one from a dragon.
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Mar 14, 2021 18:10
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Took a break from the manga after the Moro Arc. This Granola character seems like he could go in an interesting direction. He'll probably just wind up being another (Super!)Broly or Zamasu depending on how much of a lesson he learns, though.
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Could well it ends up being Suicide By Saiyan. Has there been an antagonist with that kind of motivation? It may have come up once or twice.
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Suicide by Saiyan would be a great name for a death metal anime cover band.
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Cuz Suicide is Saiyan Their hair has many changes And then get God form from Beerus and Whis
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Mar 18, 2021 02:45
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Chapter's out: https://www.viz.com/shonenjump/dragon-ball-super-chapter-70/chapter/22064?action=read
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Mangaplus link: https://mangaplus.shueisha.co.jp/viewer/1009016 In the end, the condition for the power boost was a pretty logical one. Granolah pulled a Gon and sacrificed his future for power right now. Sadly he's also a dumbass that wants to make use of people that are clearly better schemers than him and this will end terribly for him. Vegeta's sheer pleasure at getting even a small thing Destroyed was kind of adorable. And I liked SS3 Granolah, I'm sad he didn't keep the look.
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Mar 18, 2021 16:47
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Granolah is a dingus.
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Mar 18, 2021 16:54
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I like where this is going. There's a lot of setup here. The heeters are likely going after the dragonballs Goku and Vegeta vs Granola Something Freeza Goku and Vegeta training Whiz being worried
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Mar 18, 2021 16:55
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I really like the Heeters as a faction.
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Mar 18, 2021 17:45
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Caidin posted:Granolah is a dingus. In a comic where the Saiyans manage to be a bunch of idiots by virtue of looking forward to a fight, it's amazing how Granaloh is already making almost equally terrible decisions right out the gate. I like the Monkey's Paw effect on the Dragon Balls, too.
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Mar 18, 2021 18:25
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Granolah having his hair grown out by the wish and then cutting most of it off was a good gag.
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Poor Granolah, this is going to end so badly for him  I do like that the SSJ3 three hair is seemingly the universal expression for burning through your energy is the most excessive and wasteful way possible
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Mar 18, 2021 19:48
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Pureauthor posted:I really like the Heeters as a faction. It's nice that they actually seem to give a drat about each other.
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Kanos posted:It's nice that they actually seem to give a drat about each other. Well they seem to be siblings.
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Mar 18, 2021 20:11
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MonsterEnvy posted:Well they seem to be siblings. Vegeta doesn't give a crap about Tarble, Raditz was going to kill Goku, Beerus and Champa keep getting into pissing contests.
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Mar 18, 2021 20:25
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The heeters Actually have a pretty solid plan. It's neat having one of the major driving forces of the arc being a group of crafty bastards. I'm guessing Granaloh is going to get his revenge for them selling out his planet to frieza. Seriously with the Broly Movie, the Moro Arc (which I like and I think holds up way better when you don't wait a month between chaptesr) and this arc, this is probably some of the best db stuff since the cell games.
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MonsterEnvy posted:Well they seem to be siblings. Yeah, about that: Level Seven posted:Vegeta doesn't give a crap about Tarble, Raditz was going to kill Goku, Beerus and Champa keep getting into pissing contests. On the "siblings who like each other/get along" side of things, we have....Gohan/Goten and the Androids, I guess?
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Mar 18, 2021 20:39
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It seems like Granolah learned how to use Hakai, if I'm reading the visuals right. Also, Ammonite is having a really bad day. Level Seven posted:Beerus and Champa keep getting into pissing contests. Well, we see affection for Champa from Beerus a few times. Not so much the other way around, though.
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:It seems like Granolah learned how to use Hakai, if I'm reading the visuals right. Not really. Berry’s made a big point of a big explosion and there wasn’t one with the ceiling.
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Mar 18, 2021 20:56
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I don't know why they've retconned Hakai to cause huge explosions now when every depiction of it to date has just erased things from existence
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multijoe posted:I don't know why they've retconned Hakai to cause huge explosions now when every depiction of it to date has just erased things from existence Yeah I was thinking the same thing. I think the reason is that they need it to work in such a way that it can be used offensively without just directly erasing the opponent and instantly winning.
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Yeah this storyline owns so far. I like that it uses the Moro arc in certain small ways to kick off the action and build on the plot. Feels like Radditz's arrival kicking off events through the end of the Namek saga. And there's stuff for characters who aren't the 2-3 strongest to do! Goku and Vegeta aren't going to want to work together given their newly reignited passion for becoming the strongest in the universe, pursuing different paths. So it won't be as easy as them just beating Granolah down. Especially if they find out he's ultimately out to destroy Freeza! I wonder if Granolah's inevitable face-turn (if you can call it that since he's basically in the right, if powerfully stupid - and that's a cooler arc enemy than another mustache-twirling pure evil being!) at the end of this arc will be him helping to take down the Heeters and sacrifice himself? Or might he stick around for another arc ending in a final confrontation with Freeza? I don't know what's going to happen, and there's enough set up that it could be really interesting, and it's been really cool so far and I can't wait to see what happens next! I just fukkin love me some dragonball  and this is hitting all the right notes and making me geek out like a kid again.
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Darth TNT posted:Not really. Berry’s made a big point of a big explosion and there wasn’t one with the ceiling. There wasn't an explosion, true. I was looking for that visual. But, at the same time, he turned something thrown at him into sand like Beerus did to Zamasu. multijoe posted:I don't know why they've retconned Hakai to cause huge explosions now when every depiction of it to date has just erased things from existence Yeah, that was weird to me, too.
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They are doing it so Vegeta can use it but hilariously that destroys what makes it unique. Might as well be a ki blast. This is slightly more interesting than the Moro arc but it’s still kind of boring. Ironically I do think it would be more interesting if the A and and B plot didn’t intersect at all
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Pretty sure from the "blam blam blam" sound effect Granolah was just crushing the debris into sand with the same telekinesis he used when he lifted the boulder earlier Also the "hakai causes explosions" isn't consistent with how Beerus has used it in the past but it is consistent with how Toppo used it in Super so...eeehhhh? Blockhouse fucked around with this message at 23:43 on Mar 18, 2021 |
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I don't see why not both. Hakai releases enormous amounts of energy from mass being converted directly into it. A talented/experienced Destroyer can do that while controlling all that released energy, leaving just dust. I figured Granolah is now on the level of Destroyer-candidate like Toppo.
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