The Snydermoon: Somehow, Snyder returned with 2 Oscars

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Roth: Jul 9, 2016

teagone posted:

Re: Mile Dyson � Robot Style mentioned the Cyborg sequence where he learns of the potential of his powers as he listens to Silas over the tape recorder was inspired by The Matrix and it's possible that Joe Morton was directed to sound a bit like Morpheus when delivering his lines. The cadence and inflection of Morton's voice very much sounds like Morpheus explaining to Neo what the Matrix is�I thought that was neat.

There's a video on HBO Max where Snyder goes over his HBO Max pics and he talks about how floored he was by The Matrix.

He also says "It's deep" with regards to Rick & Morty.

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# ? May 26, 2024 02:39

Robot Style: Jul 5, 2009

teagone posted:

the Cyborg sequence where he learns of the potential of his powers as he listens to Silas over the tape recorder was inspired by The Matrix

The salt flat the sequence begins on was apparently called "the desert of the real" during production, so it's a pretty overt homage.

# ? Mar 20, 2021 05:27

teagone: Jun 10, 2003; That was pretty intense, huh?

Roth posted:

There's a video on HBO Max where Snyder goes over his HBO Max pics and he talks about how floored he was by The Matrix.

Robot Style posted:

The salt flat the sequence begins on was apparently called "the desert of the real" during production, so it's a pretty overt homage.

# ? Mar 20, 2021 05:28

Aces High: Mar 26, 2010; Nah! A little chocolate will do

it's always a treat when Robot Style posts stuff from production :3:

glad your work finally got to be viewed by the masses

# ? Mar 20, 2021 05:49

MJeff: Jun 2, 2011; THE LIAR

Couple questions.

1) Is there a comprehensive list anywhere of the differences between the ZSJL and JL2017?
2) Was anything that had been exclusive to 2017 that was kept for ZSJL?
3) Do we know what was done in the reshoots for ZSJL?

Robot Style posted:

Making Superman's dads Gladiator and Field of Dreams is also pretty telling about the cultures he comes from.

Robot Style, you have now worked on TWO movies I quite enjoyed that had extensive rejiggering somewhere in the process. :v:

# ? Mar 20, 2021 05:55

well why not: Feb 10, 2009

Robot Style was it you that posted about working on Warchmen back in the day? I remember someone saying their coworker was rigging Dr. Manhattan�s doodle.

# ? Mar 20, 2021 05:57

SuperMechagodzilla: Jun 9, 2007; NEWT REBORN

MJeff posted:

1) Is there a comprehensive list anywhere of the differences between the ZSJL and JL2017?
2) Was anything that had been exclusive to 2017 that was kept for ZSJL?
3) Do we know what was done in the reshoots for ZSJL?

1: Not yet; it would be massive.

2: Nope.

3: Apparently just the Mad Max scene.

# ? Mar 20, 2021 05:58

Invalid Validation: Jan 13, 2008

I watched it and honestly it was definitely a better movie. I saw the original cut not too long ago and it was balls rear end boring. Very indulgent but whatever, this might actually get some more justice league movies made.

# ? Mar 20, 2021 06:02

roffels: Jul 27, 2004; Yo Taxi!

MJeff posted:

Couple questions.

1) Is there a comprehensive list anywhere of the differences between the ZSJL and JL2017?
2) Was anything that had been exclusive to 2017 that was kept for ZSJL?
3) Do we know what was done in the reshoots for ZSJL?

1. I'm sure it won't be long.
2. Snyder said he'd destroy the film before allowing anything in it that wasn't shot by him
3. Martian Manhunter stuff, the Knightmare scene. The vision in the Cyborg ship may have re-used some Man of Steel footage of Cavill. If there's more, I'd love to know.

# ? Mar 20, 2021 06:02

2house2fly: Nov 14, 2012; You did a super job wrapping things up! And I'm not just saying that because I have to!

MJeff posted:

2) Was anything that had been exclusive to 2017 that was kept for ZSJL?

Part of the mythology around the movie is that Zack Snyder has never seen the theatrical version. His wife and Christopher Nolan watched it and begged him never to, like that Warner Herzog film where he begs a woman never to listen to the tape of her son being killed by bears

# ? Mar 20, 2021 06:05

MJeff: Jun 2, 2011; THE LIAR

2house2fly posted:

Part of the mythology around the movie is that Zack Snyder has never seen the theatrical version.

Lucky him. :lol:

Much as I thought Aquaman touching the lasso of truth was cute, good lord, this movie is just so much better. Took five years to get a sequel to Batman v Superman but goddamn did I get it. If this is the last I see of Supercavill and Batfleck, for real this time, I'm much more okay with it than I was in 2017.

# ? Mar 20, 2021 06:11

Chairman Capone: Dec 17, 2008

MazelTovCocktail posted:

One theory I�ve always had in the back of my head is Bruce Wayne is eventually dying from inhaling all the carcinogens from the collapse Wayne Building in Metropolis.

He's literally breathing in aerosolized lead in the BvS fight scene. No wonder people thought Batman wasn't making any sense in that movie!

# ? Mar 20, 2021 06:35

Kharn_The_Betrayer: Nov 15, 2013; Fun Shoe

Just finished watching: I liked it

The parts with martian manhunter where kinda rough and i really feel it robs something from the scene with Martha and Lois

# ? Mar 20, 2021 06:40

MJeff: Jun 2, 2011; THE LIAR

I have a bunch of stuff I wanna say about this movie, but I think the thing about it that sticks out to me most is just how much more this movie likes its cast and wants you, the viewer, to also like them and get to see them having good moments and doing cool stuff. I remember thinking in 2017 "Wow, that movie has a pretty low opinion of Batman." and now it's like, I still definitely think Batman got it the worst, but the 2017 movie just has so much contempt for basically everybody except maybe Diana. I can't believe all the stuff for Barry and Victor, both in terms of cool poo poo and just. Character moments, that just got dumped.

# ? Mar 20, 2021 06:51

well why not: Feb 10, 2009

All the characters like each other too. Arthur is prickly but kind hearted. No one is teasing each other.

# ? Mar 20, 2021 06:52

Roth: Jul 9, 2016

MJeff posted:

I have a bunch of stuff I wanna say about this movie, but I think the thing about it that sticks out to me most is just how much more this movie likes its cast and wants you, the viewer, to also like them and get to see them having good moments and doing cool stuff. I remember thinking in 2017 "Wow, that movie has a pretty low opinion of Batman." and now it's like, I still definitely think Batman got it the worst, but the 2017 movie just has so much contempt for basically everybody except maybe Diana. I can't believe all the stuff for Barry and Victor, both in terms of cool poo poo and just. Character moments, that just got dumped.

Josstice still has contempt for Diana.

Diana's rear end on the other hand...

# ? Mar 20, 2021 06:52

Mr. Apollo: Nov 8, 2000

well why not posted:

All the characters like each other too. Arthur is prickly but kind hearted. No one is teasing each other.

There's none of the dumb bickering from the 2017 version. They all have issues but they're able to work through them without being snarky and still learn to work together as a team.

# ? Mar 20, 2021 07:04

Mantis42: Jul 26, 2010

Roth posted:

Josstice still has contempt for Diana.

Diana's rear end on the other hand...

yeah, the 2017 movie doesn't know to have contempt for WW because it considers her to be an object

# ? Mar 20, 2021 07:08

Bogus Adventure: Jan 11, 2017; More like "Bulges Adventure"

I still need to see this but haven't had the chance because of work, but does it include the scene where Arthur sits on Diana's lasso? I felt like that bit was really jarring based on everything that had happened.

# ? Mar 20, 2021 07:11

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

Mr. Apollo posted:

There's none of the dumb bickering from the 2017 version. They all have issues but they're able to work through them without being snarky and still learn to work together as a team.

Whedon only knows how to do one thing.

# ? Mar 20, 2021 07:13

Mantis42: Jul 26, 2010

Bogus Adventure posted:

I still need to see this but haven't had the chance because of work, but does it include the scene where Arthur sits on Diana's lasso? I felt like that bit was really jarring based on everything that had happened.

Well I've seen the Snyder Cut and I have no idea what you're referring to so that should tell you, lol.

# ? Mar 20, 2021 07:17

bushisms.txt: May 26, 2004; Scroll, then. There are other posts than these.

Bogus Adventure posted:

I still need to see this but haven't had the chance because of work, but does it include the scene where Arthur sits on Diana's lasso? I felt like that bit was really jarring based on everything that had happened.

No, another whedon/johns cut.

# ? Mar 20, 2021 07:18

MJeff: Jun 2, 2011; THE LIAR

Bogus Adventure posted:

I still need to see this but haven't had the chance because of work, but does it include the scene where Arthur sits on Diana's lasso? I felt like that bit was really jarring based on everything that had happened.

Nope, gone.

Mantis42 posted:

Well I've seen the Snyder Cut and I have no idea what you're referring to so that should tell you, lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eInR2aqaTYI

What was that someone said about dumb bickering?

# ? Mar 20, 2021 07:22

bushisms.txt: May 26, 2004; Scroll, then. There are other posts than these.

Now that we've seen what's been cut and added, I'm pretty sure we can designate Josstice League as a cinematic hate crime.

# ? Mar 20, 2021 07:28

Bogus Adventure: Jan 11, 2017; More like "Bulges Adventure"

Mantis42 posted:

Well I've seen the Snyder Cut and I have no idea what you're referring to so that should tell you, lol.

bushisms.txt posted:

No, another whedon/johns cut.

MJeff posted:

Nope, gone.

THANK GOD

I was 99.99% sure that was purestrain Joss, so even without having seen the Snyder Cut I can say that this movie is a cinematic triumph just by removing it.

bushisms.txt posted:

Now that we've seen what's been cut and added, I'm pretty sure we can designate Josstice League as a cinematic hate crime.

Lol, it's so true

# ? Mar 20, 2021 07:31

MJeff: Jun 2, 2011; THE LIAR

I remember liking the lasso scene at the time, but I went back and rewatched it now and Arthur is just such a prick in it, I wonder why I ever liked it in the first place.

# ? Mar 20, 2021 07:36

Robot Style: Jul 5, 2009

well why not posted:

Robot Style was it you that posted about working on Warchmen back in the day? I remember someone saying their coworker was rigging Dr. Manhattan�s doodle.

Nah that was a bit before my time, though I remember someone posting about that as well.

MJeff posted:

2) Was anything that had been exclusive to 2017 that was kept for ZSJL?

Yes, actually. The silver Parademons were originally added when Joss took over. Prior to that they were more matte, with yellow or green markings to make sure they were colored differently from the heroes. Joss wanted the Parademons to have a more clear connection to the motherboxes though, so made their carapace the same type of metal as Cyborg.

The shield protecting Steppenwolf's stronghold was also more similar to this concept art when we were first working on it with Zack:

Joss changed it because he thought the shape "looked too much like Star Wars". They specifically refer to it as a "dome" a lot in dialogue though, and the shape is actually slightly different than the theatrical version (more symmetrical), so I'm guessing the tent shape from the concept art was one of those things the he wasn't thrilled about in the first place and it was always supposed to be round.

# ? Mar 20, 2021 07:38

Bongo Bill: Jan 17, 2012

Blood Boils posted:

ZSJL is def pretty indulgent, but so are tons of recent works from established filmmakers; Hail Caesar! Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, the Irishman, etc.

None of these movies are the best of their respective oeuvres, but they're still fun and experimental and taking risks and really what kind of stuff would you rather watch?

Ah, I see. "Indulgent" means "good"

# ? Mar 20, 2021 07:57

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

Bongo Bill posted:

Ah, I see. "Indulgent" means "good"

Basically, gently caress subtlety, gently caress restraint

# ? Mar 20, 2021 08:08

MacheteZombie: Feb 4, 2007

Robot Style posted:

They specifically refer to it as a "dome" a lot

that's right

# ? Mar 20, 2021 08:15

Horizon Burning: Oct 23, 2019

bushisms.txt posted:

Now that we've seen what's been cut and added, I'm pretty sure we can designate Josstice League as a cinematic hate crime.

it really does feel like someone defacing someone else's work out of spite

# ? Mar 20, 2021 08:16

Blood Boils: Dec 27, 2006; Its not an S, on my planet it means QUIPS

According to Ray, that's exactly what it was.

Re: indulgence: it really depends on the filmmakers' skill in storytelling. I chose those examples because they are good! Look at Terry Gilliam's recent stuff (or Whedon's lol) to see how inept artists do it.

# ? Mar 20, 2021 08:22

Mr. Apollo: Nov 8, 2000

Horizon Burning posted:

it really does feel like someone defacing someone else's work out of spite

People hate what they don�t understand.

# ? Mar 20, 2021 08:22

teagone: Jun 10, 2003; That was pretty intense, huh?

If there were any director whose work would benefit from being overindulgent in the cape poo poo genre, it would abso-loving-lutely be Zack Snyder.

# ? Mar 20, 2021 09:03

Roth: Jul 9, 2016

I don't give a single poo poo about football, and based on that football sequence I would watch the poo poo out of a Zack Snyder football movie.

# ? Mar 20, 2021 09:05

McCloud: Oct 27, 2005

Cross posting

https://twitter.com/PaulTassi/status/1372511210520903681?s=20

As a long time Snyder fan I am equal parts pleased, vindicated and also rolling in the Schadenfreude that the people who really hate Zack are stewing in their own peach tee.

Also, this is really funny for some of the old timers

https://twitter.com/clarkjoes/status/1373110928380629002?s=19

That's the "tell that to Zods snapped neck" dude

The tide has truly turned

# ? Mar 20, 2021 09:09

josh04: Oct 19, 2008; "THE FLASH IS THE REASON
TO RACE TO THE THEATRES"
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Tell that to Steppenwolf's cut neck!

# ? Mar 20, 2021 11:03

John Wick of Dogs: Mar 4, 2017; A real hellraiser

It's more ok to kill Steppenwolf because he's some kind of monster man

# ? Mar 20, 2021 11:18

Horizon Burning: Oct 23, 2019

his name is wolf. darkseid liked telling people to step on wolf to the extent that it became a "nickname" and then a prophecy.

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# ? May 26, 2024 02:39

Martman: Nov 20, 2006

Horizon Burning posted:

his name is wolf. darkseid liked telling people to step on wolf to the extent that it became a "nickname" and then a prophecy.

Martman posted:

It's actually supposed to be Step-On-Wolf, the dude just loves fighting four-legged mammals.

gonna sue u for bad joke theft

# ? Mar 20, 2021 13:03

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