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Volcott posted:Someday they'll make a Constantine adaption that isn't bad and wrong maybe. HBO Max supposedly has a Constantine series in the works that would be unconnected from the CW stuff.
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Yup. Oh, Jon...  https://twitter.com/adamjohnsonnyc/status/983435414362091520?s=21
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Volcott posted:Someday they'll make a Constantine adaption that isn't bad and wrong maybe. I've never read the comic and I loving loved the Keanu version Also I'm 13 Fight me
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sephiRoth IRA posted:I've never read the comic and I loving loved the Keanu version The movie is actually pretty good but it hurts to have a muted John even if he's a character absent from his source.
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Constantine was one of the few movies in the 'Keanu Reeves As Generic Leading Man' era that actually worked, but it's largely in spite of Keanu himself. He's very singularly talented at a few things (specifically, being pretty charismatic and friendly and loving DEDICATING himself to a role), and like most movies of that era Constantine didn't use him right. But goddamn, Tilda Swinton carries that movie, and Peter Stormare is one of the first times I truly understood what a 'one-scene wonder' performance is.
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christmas boots posted:Yeah, pop-culture made him into way more of an archnemesis than the actual stories ever did, though it's not hard to see why. Moriarty is essentially a walking plot device like Doomsday and Bane: this dude that comes out of nowhere that manages to be so much stronger/smarter than the invincible hero and whose only purpose is to either kill the hero or make the hero destroy them both in a mutual sacrifice. And much like Doomsday, he later gets shoehorned into most Holmes adaptations, removing everything that made him seem like such a threat.
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Mister Mind posted:Yup. Oh, Jon...
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Mar 20, 2021 12:19
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It's really quite jarring on how until VERY recently transgender people were pretty much treated near universally in media as walking punchlines. It also didn't help that the 90s and 00s were the golden age of "edgy" humor most likely to exploit them.
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Jon Stewart loving sucks and trained a generation of youngs to think that smugness = intelligence I loved that show growing up and felt scammed looking back... he's basically no different from Bill Maher
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Mar 20, 2021 13:12
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poo poo, I remembered the Daily Show being good until Trevor Noah took over, guess I was wrong. I still like the Flop House (podcast hosted by a Daily Show writer and cohosted by a former Daily Show writer), but there's definitely the occasional dogshit political take there.
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Mar 20, 2021 13:18
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Martman posted:Jon Stewart loving sucks and trained a generation of youngs to think that smugness = intelligence I think Chapo is going to go the same way. That recent episode where they were "there's no difference between steve bannon and neolibs aside from white supremacy..." Well that may be, but that's still a pretty big loving difference my dudes.
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Mar 20, 2021 13:35
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hyperhazard posted:I'm doing a BSG rewatch now and I'd forgotten how glacial the pacing is in some of these episodes. Lots of deep meaningful looks and characters looking pained with the color gradients cranked to 11. There have been many poo poo-takes in this thread, but I don't think any will ever exceed in shitness the statement that Jimi Hendrix was the original artist on All Along The Watchtower.
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Mar 20, 2021 13:40
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Ambitious Spider posted:I think Chapo is going to go the same way. That recent episode where they were "there's no difference between steve bannon and neolibs aside from white supremacy..." Well that may be, but that's still a pretty big loving difference my dudes. They and other similar podcasts are already at the edge of the cliff: https://www.thedailybeast.com/these-dirtbag-left-stars-are-flirting-with-the-far-right
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I actually think it’s the opposite, people are going to look back on their support of neoliberalism and their less aggressive white supremacy and feel kind of dumb for falling for what is just racism but with a smile
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On BBC Sherlock, here's internet person and goon hbomberguy's video essay on why it sucks, it's a great analysis by someone who clearly likes Sherlock Holmes in his many forms and wants to see good stories, give it a go if you've got two hours to burn. (tl:dr if you haven't got two hours to burn: Steven Moffat loving blows as a showrunner, flinging out story hooks and cliffhangers but never actually committing to anything, could never stick a landing and kept stringing watchers along until they all got bored, basically the Game of Thrones problem. Also it sucks as a mystery the watchers could try to solve along the way because the solutions are all bullshit and Sherlock may as well be a loving psychic wizard) (actually the show would probably be more grounded and realistic if it was literally Doctor Strange as the detective)
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Mar 20, 2021 13:47
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AceOfFlames posted:They and other similar podcasts are already at the edge of the cliff: The guy who calls Norman Finkelstein a Holocaust denier and once wrote an article so bad that the SPLC had to retract it isn’t exactly who you want to go to for this kind of analysis.
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Mar 20, 2021 13:50
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How has Jon Lovitz held up over the years? Not his material necessarily, but the man himself? The most recent thing I remember even hearing about him was several years ago when he punched out/threatened to punch out Andy Dick for saying something really lovely. I ask because I found out he's making an appearance at a local comic con in June, and I want to make sure my excitement to meet him isn't actually a bad thing.
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CharlestheHammer posted:I actually think it’s the opposite, people are going to look back on their support of neoliberalism and their less aggressive white supremacy and feel kind of dumb for falling for what is just racism but with a smile Then there's the uglier fact that "casual" racism is something they support but don't have the strength to admit to, see it as "all in the game," or otherwise benefit from and look the other way on.
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Mar 20, 2021 13:53
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My problem with Sherlock is that it started out as a fun show centred on Holmes and Watson going around solving mysteries, and gradually disappeared up its own arse as it became centred on the writers trying to prove how clever they are, and doing Buffy-esque drama with the main characters.
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the_steve posted:How has Jon Lovitz held up over the years? Not his material necessarily, but the man himself? This is a really good question and I've wondered myself. The last project I remember seeing him in was Rat Race 20 years ago which features this wonderfully stupid sequence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dsgQb3jkk4
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the_steve posted:How has Jon Lovitz held up over the years? Not his material necessarily, but the man himself? I thought he was a Republican but Wikipedia says he’s a democrat that just criticized Obama.
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the_steve posted:How has Jon Lovitz held up over the years? Not his material necessarily, but the man himself? In the professional world I've gotten the impression that other comedians kind of make fun of Lovitz a lot. He seems like a dude who was... let's say always taking more than giving when it came to coming up with comedic material. Not that he's a bad person or anything but that he went surprisingly far with very little other than a funny voice.
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Coucho Marx posted:On BBC Sherlock, here's internet person and goon hbomberguy's video essay on why it sucks, it's a great analysis by someone who clearly likes Sherlock Holmes in his many forms and wants to see good stories, give it a go if you've got two hours to burn. You're not supposed to solve the mystery along the way, the solutions being bullshit is a feature baked into the original stories. The stories are written from the point of view of Watson, and the solutions almost always involve some information that Watson wasnt privy to/failed to notice or give any significance to, and Sherlock is yes, basically a wizard who knows every relevant obscure fact possible. I liked the BBC sherlock okay for what it was, then it got poo poo, but if you are looking for a mystery the viewer can solve with/before the detective then you dont want to be looking at a Sherlock Holmes story. Got a better chance with a Poirot story I think. (edit to add: I like hbomberguy, and I'm not invalidating his criticisms of it, he dislikes it more strongly than I like it, and thats fine, but I've seen the "how were you supposed to solve that?" criticism of Sherlock before, and the answer is "You werent, its not that type of story". The Holmes stories are explicitly "marvel as the audience to a great mind solving things us mere mortals couldnt possibly comprehend", and its difficult to write a character smarter than the person writing them, so it relies on "Ah actually I know an obscure thing which happens to be relevant in this contrived situation" or "Ah, you mean you didnt notice the circus was in town?" type nonsense). SiKboy has a new favorite as of 14:11 on Mar 20, 2021 |
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Martman posted:In the professional world I've gotten the impression that other comedians kind of make fun of Lovitz a lot. He seems like a dude who was... let's say always taking more than giving when it came to coming up with comedic material. Not that he's a bad person or anything but that he went surprisingly far with very little other than a funny voice.
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mind the walrus posted:Eh, I think it's a little dismissive because Lovitz is a master of vocal delivery and has the resume of ultra-quotable lines and memorable one-off parts to prove it... but yeah it parses that in absence of funny writers he'd be a typical empty-vessel performer.
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Well I wouldn't call him a pure VA either. He can screen-act with a really good presence. He's an actor, and all that implies. Honestly the whole thing strikes me as the Comedy World being--once again-- kind of a Mean Girls table.
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I thought Lovtiz had become somewhat conservative over the years but not to a point where you'd like picket him or anything but i could be wrong about that. Lovtiz also seems like a guy who: 1) Knows his limitations and his slot. He once gave an interview where someone said why aren't you well more well known given your time on SNL and movies you've been in and his response was, well you are interviewing me so the system works! 2) Has a decent understanding of writing and acting. He once criticized modern SNL on the fact that they never end skits, they are rarely 5 min stories, just random lines brought together by flim premises and its hard to disagree with him despite the fact I love SNL.
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the_steve posted:How has Jon Lovitz held up over the years? Not his material necessarily, but the man himself? I get some weird out of touch celebrity vibes from him, but nothing monstrous. I'm basing a lot of this on some podcasts he did with Kevin Smith a few years back.
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Jedit posted:There have been many poo poo-takes in this thread, but I don't think any will ever exceed in shitness the statement that Jimi Hendrix was the original artist on All Along The Watchtower. Twitch posted:poo poo, I remembered the Daily Show being good until Trevor Noah took over, guess I was wrong.
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hyperhazard posted:I thought the show sampled specifically from his version? If not, I stand corrected (but I will die on the hill that his is the better one, sorry). Oh, you don't need to die on that hill - most people live there already, Dylan included. But the BSG version is an original recording.
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hyperhazard posted:I thought the show sampled specifically from his version? If not, I stand corrected (but I will die on the hill that his is the better one, sorry). Eh, even Dylan prefers the Hendrix version.
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Martman posted:The Andy Dick thing is super dark and hosed up, because Lovitz sort of blames him for helping Phil Hartman's wife to relapse on drugs in the year leading up to her killing Hartman and herself. Andy Dick is gross in general and I think a lot of the people around that circle basically felt like Lovitz was pretty much justified in giving him a beatdown. (also odd that Dick and Hartman were both on News Radio and Lovitz was the guy brought in to "replace" Hartman's character) To be fair, as the story is usually told Andy Dick goes up to Lovitz and threatens to “put the Phil Hartman hex” on him and I don’t know what other outcome that could possibly lead to
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Jedit posted:Oh, you don't need to die on that hill - most people live there already, Dylan included. But the BSG version is an original recording. Hendrix’s version is used in the very very last scene of the show.
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christmas boots posted:To be fair, as the story is usually told Andy Dick goes up to Lovitz and threatens to “put the Phil Hartman hex” on him and I don’t know what other outcome that could possibly lead to That was apparently the run up to the actual beat down. quote:Lovitz and Dick have been at loggerheads since a 1997 Christmas party at Hartman’s house, five months before his troubled wife Brynn flipped out, fatally shooting Hartman, then killing herself. “Andy was doing cocaine, and he gave Brynn some after she had been sober for 10 years. Phil was furious about it - and then five months later he’s dead,” said Lovitz, adding that when he filled in on Hartman’s “Newsradio” sitcom, "I told Andy, ‘I wouldn’t be here now if you hadn’t given Brynn that cocaine.’ " Jon Lovitz was pretty universally praised by the people in the room for beating the poo poo out of Andy Dick.
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The best Sherlock is the Sheldon Reynolds and H.Marion Crawford tv show shame about H. Marion though
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pentyne posted:That was apparently the run up to the actual beat down. Ah right, I was conflating the two incidents. Still, what a Dick
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Twitch posted:I get some weird out of touch celebrity vibes from him, but nothing monstrous. I'm basing a lot of this on some podcasts he did with Kevin Smith a few years back. I imagined he'd just gone into producing or whatever back-end stuff. I don't remember if I heard him in podcasts, but I remember 10ish years back when Smith had started broadcasting 24/7 and started using Lovitz' club as his live venue. Smith talked about how Lovitz had no idea wtf podcasting was all about and had been like 'so you' re on stage. And you just talk. And people pay to watch you?'
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Twitch posted:poo poo, I remembered the Daily Show being good until Trevor Noah took over, guess I was wrong. Head writer for a while I think. I still like the Flop House.
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