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pantslesswithwolves posted:I don’t understand why it took until 9/11 to harden the cockpit doors. As you note hijackings for monetary/political reasons were a common tactic and airline security/government types understood this, so why not just moot the whole thing by hardening the doors to begin with? Because ransom hijackings with minimal to no loss of life don’t affect profitability. Boeing et al don’t lose enormous face due to lovely cockpit security until two thousand people die.
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I remember being in class on the wve of the Iraq kick off amd classmates insisting it would be a wrap in weeks and I was dead wrong it would be a quagmire. Sure wish I had been loving wrong!
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Just imagine I posted the Grover Iraq predictions quote here.
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I usually follow funnytshirtemp for all my political science analysis.
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pantslesswithwolves posted:I don’t understand why it took until 9/11 to harden the cockpit doors. As you note hijackings for monetary/political reasons were a common tactic and airline security/government types understood this, so why not just moot the whole thing by hardening the doors to begin with? Because ransom hijackings generally left the flight crew alone. The goal was to actually fly the plane somewhere and land it safely. If the hijackers were going to start executing hostages, the pilots were in the least danger on the entire plane. In hindsight yeah this is a stupid mindset but as mentioned this whole thing was pretty innovative.
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pantslesswithwolves posted:I don’t understand why it took until 9/11 to harden the cockpit doors. As you note hijackings for monetary/political reasons were a common tactic and airline security/government types understood this, so why not just moot the whole thing by hardening the doors to begin with? Because as was mentioned no one was making security decisions with the thought in mind hijackers would use the plane as a weapon. Hardening the doors didn't have much point because they would have just opened the thing/flown where the hijackers wanted if they threatened to kill hostages. The whole training to fly the plane was rather novel as well, it wasn't like previous hijackers needed to get physical access to the controls because the SOP was to cooperate. Cooperating and trying to get them later was the best way to prevent loss of life and that was really the only priority. After 9/11 the calculus changed and keeping a hijacker from getting control of the plane became the #1 priority, even if it meant everyone on the plane died.
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maffew buildings posted:I remember being in class on the wve of the Iraq kick off amd classmates insisting it would be a wrap in weeks and I was dead wrong it would be a quagmire. Sure wish I had been loving wrong! Well at least we learned a valuable lesson
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I think you are all looking at things from a 2021 lens re: security because things were way way way way WAY loving different pre-9/11
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It's 2021 and I'm kinda not liking the idea of fascism. Can someone present me historical evidence in support or opposition of that? TYIA
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1939–1945
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That single change- plane as a weapon, vs as a political tool, was an absolute game changer for Counterterrorism. I've been studying CT since I was in Middle School. I wrote a paper about UBL BEFORE 9/11 for a Current Events project. As soon as we knew it wasn't an accident, it was clear to see that the world had changed. Next time there is a major skyjacking, I'm going to bet money that there won't be any Lufthansa Rescue. I can't imagine any country is going to risk that after 9/11 regardless of what the demands are. Better image to the public to just down the thing, rather risk them trying anything over population. I'm not an expert, but that's my take on it after studying the subject. 9/11 was another Munich 72- the worm turned, and there ain't no going back.
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antimatt posted:It's 2021 and I'm kinda not liking the idea of fascism. here ya go: Umberto Eco, Ur-Fascism https://sites.evergreen.edu/politicalshakespeares/wp-content/uploads/sites/226/2015/12/Eco-urfascism.pdf
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boop the snoot posted:I think you are all looking at things from a 2021 lens re: security because things were way way way way WAY loving different pre-9/11 Lockerbie should have gotten a lot more attention than it did.
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Steezo posted:Lockerbie should have gotten a lot more attention than it did. I’m still hazy because it happened when I was a kid and had no geopolitical understanding. But basically Lydian-backed terrorists shot down a jet liner over Scotland right? Is there anything worthwhile reading that goes into the whole thing?
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Kazinsal posted:Just imagine I posted the Grover Iraq predictions quote here. Why imagine when you can have the real thing? quote:How long will it take to capture Baghdad? 2 days
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Some of these I hadn't seen before https://twitter.com/lilydont/status/1373037031236849666?s=20
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Steezo posted:Lockerbie should have gotten a lot more attention than it did. Putting a door to the cockpit wouldn't have done much. Edit: I was a kid at a USAF base in England at the time, and it got a gently caress TON of attention. Was it different in the States?
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I was a real little kid when Lockerbie happened and it’s still one of those memories that stuck with me as one where my dad was glued to our 13” RCA TV. Pretty sure it was a big deal at the time.
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Mar 21, 2021 06:51
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Chuck Lorre (of Big Bang Theory fame, among others) is making a new sitcom. It's about an interpreter gaining asylum and moving in with a GWOT vet he worked with. It's also one of worst things I've ever seen in my life. https://twitter.com/saeedtaji/status/1372949606204649483?s=20
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Brute Squad posted:Chuck Lorre (of Big Bang Theory fame, among others) is making a new sitcom. It's about an interpreter gaining asylum and moving in with a GWOT vet he worked with. It's also one of worst things I've ever seen in my life. 
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Brute Squad posted:Chuck Lorre (of Big Bang Theory fame, among others) is making a new sitcom. It's about an interpreter gaining asylum and moving in with a GWOT vet he worked with. It's also one of worst things I've ever seen in my life. This cannot be real
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As long as it has a minute long speech at the end of each episode about how we abandoned the 99% of other interpreters to their fate.
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Crab Dad posted:As long as it has a minute long speech at the end of each episode about how we abandoned the 99% of other interpreters to their fate. I would also accept ""This show is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan" just before the credits.
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Brute Squad posted:Chuck Lorre (of Big Bang Theory fame, among others) is making a new sitcom. It's about an interpreter gaining asylum and moving in with a GWOT vet he worked with. It's also one of worst things I've ever seen in my life. Whoo boy. That's a lot of cringe.
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It just occurred to me that those scenes were deemed so good that they were selected to represent the show in a TV trailer. Yeesh.
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Brute Squad posted:Chuck Lorre (of Big Bang Theory fame, among others) is making a new sitcom. It's about an interpreter gaining asylum and moving in with a GWOT vet he worked with. It's also one of worst things I've ever seen in my life. Christ
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Crab Dad posted:As long as it has a minute long speech at the end of each episode about how we abandoned the 99% of other interpreters to their fate. No laugh track. No music. No jokes. Just deadeye staring at the camera telling the world how we failed them. Every week.
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Brute Squad posted:No laugh track. No music. No jokes. Just deadeye staring at the camera telling the world how we failed them. Every week. its going to be chuck lorre laugh track bullshit tho so don't count on any self reflection of how hosed up a goddamn sitcom about a terp coming to america is
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Brute Squad posted:Chuck Lorre (of Big Bang Theory fame, among others) is making a new sitcom. It's about an interpreter gaining asylum and moving in with a GWOT vet he worked with. It's also one of worst things I've ever seen in my life. This gigantic honking piece of poo poo of a TV show made me want to stab my eyes out and rip my eardrums out. That looks so much loving worse than any of the poo poo Lorre has put out ever. Big Bang Theory, Young Sheldon are all complete and utter poo poo meant for the dumbest loving people on the planet... but this is somehow even worse than those. Also, shame on you, Dean Norris.
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Mar 21, 2021 09:44
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I personally hold Chuck Lorre responsible for the late 2000s downfall of network television.
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About a month or so ago, I decided to watch the first episode of the Big Bang Theory, because I'd never actually seen the show and figured I'd see what all the fuss was about (like a hundred years too late). I was actually speechless for most of the episode. Not because I thought it wasn't funny (I'm kinda biased against shows with laugh tracks, so I wouldn't have been objective anyway), but...the content. Like, did they try to check off a list of things that are not okay?
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I’ve seen very, very little BBT, and the one bit that “worked” was still just maybe approaching a chuckle but took about three minutes of pain and badness to get to. And even then the “joke” was mostly that it just fuckin’ sucks to be around the main character at all. BBT is one of those things that sucks but at least it was extremely easy to avoid, short of hearing “bazinga” sometimes, and at least some people who like... select outfits and hang lights got paid I guess.
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Some Bazinga-compilation on the web, and a friend of mine having a bazinga shirt was pretty much my only connection to the show in the past. That and people constantly referencing it, like they do with How I met your mother or that Charlie Sheen show. I'm guessing the latter is also chock-full of wholesome content.
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I'm pretty sure that The Big Bang Theory, and bazinga guy in particular, resulted in millions of Americans thinking that all nerds are on the spectrum somewhere around the barely-functioning point. IIRC other running gags over the decade or however long that show has been on are ha ha funny jew and ha ha indian guy deathly afraid of women so yeah Chuck Lorre should be tossed in a pit and forced to manually spellcheck episodes of Coronation Street for the rest of his natural life.
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The only episode I've seen was where the girl met some attractive guy and couldn't understand the way he made her feel. Then they stretched out what should have been a throwaway joke into an entire episode. I haven't bothered watching any more of it thats my story thanks for reading.
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The moat unironically funny result of BBT is that it caused some real dummies to coin the term “nerd blackface” to get mad about bad portrayal of nerds/grad students. Somehow when there have been and are really bad representations of women, blue collar workers, American Indians, immigrants from all over the world, journalists, artists, etc, those groups managed to not call these portrayals “blackface.” Because they had a sense of of self-awareness.
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mlmp08 posted:The moat unironically funny result of BBT is that it caused some real dummies to coin the term “nerd blackface” to get mad about bad portrayal of nerds/grad students. They're fine with all those though
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Whoo boy. That's a lot of cringe. CBS sitcoms are all cringe all the time. See last years' bomb: Broke. quote:Jackie, a single suburban mother, is shocked when her estranged sister, Elizabeth, her sister's outrageously wealthy, big-hearted husband, Javier, and Javier's fiercely loyal assistant/driver/friend, Luis, land on her doorstep in need of a place to live after the couple's money dries up. Though class differences may separate the women, and the size of the house and the number of people living in it will test the limits of family ties, the familial bond of sisterhood might be the catalyst they need to restore their relationship.
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