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John Wick of Dogs posted:He loves Zack Snyder and all his fans hate Zack Snyder, so the replies are hilarious He's a 'former' goon and between Snyder and his prequel opinions, I'm pretty sure he's a CineD fan too.
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Chairman Capone posted:Aren't its fans notoriously vile and entitled, too? I feel like the only time I heard about the show was its fans trying to cyberbully someone into committing suicide for not drawing characters fat enough or poo poo like that. This is literally just how fandom works, and when internet communities are formed entirely around those subjects often the shittiest and most unhinged people will hijack the discussion and do bad things.
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Chairman Capone posted:Aren't its fans notoriously vile and entitled, too? I feel like the only time I heard about the show was its fans trying to cyberbully someone into committing suicide for not drawing characters fat enough or poo poo like that. Animation fandom is a loving minefield. There was an artist who drew two characters from Steven Universe walking down the road holding hands or something and the community tried to get her fired for "drawing child porn" because one of the fully dressed characters chastely holding hands is 15.
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Mantis42 posted:He's a 'former' goon and between Snyder and his prequel opinions, I'm pretty sure he's a CineD fan too. Yeah, he used to post here a lot
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I was unclear when I wrote that "..people use concepts like 'Grim-dark' in a similar way, to function as roadblocks to discussion", which led you to believe that I thought these were troll tactics by ill-intentioned people. To be specific, I mean that people latch on to these signifiers which short-circuit their ability to properly engage with a film. To understand what they mean, it would be a mistake to take these words literally, which was what the WB studio execs did when they saw these poorly articulated complaints about MoS and BvS as what was preventing them from making Avengers money, and in no uncertain terms, mandated Justice League's film-makers to literally make the frame brighter, with more jokes and smiling while saving civilians. Of course, you can say that I'm being extremely patronizing by robbing people of their innermost subjectivity and free will, but when push comes to shove, I've yet to see someone use, 'Grim-dark' as a jumping off point to discuss Snyder's films in a substantial & interesting way. KVeezy3 fucked around with this message at 00:04 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Chairman Capone posted:Aren't its fans notoriously vile and entitled, too? I feel like the only time I heard about the show was its fans trying to cyberbully someone into committing suicide for not drawing characters fat enough or poo poo like that. yeah, pretty much. that's fandom for you. performative hate isn't just the domain of reactionaries, unfortunately. SU just stings a little bit more because of how it ended up, I think that Tumblr business hit at the peak of the show, well before it kneecapped itself in the final stretch. it's hard to imagine people getting upset about Connie's nose or whatever when the show itself threw her aside. But back then, the show seemed genuinely progressive. Steven being a Diamond was much worse than Rey Palpatine ever was as far as themes were concerned. uh anyway, about those fries?
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KVeezy3 posted:I was unclear when I wrote that "..people use concepts like 'Grim-dark' in a similar way, to function as roadblocks to discussion", which led you to believe that I thought these were troll tactics by ill-intentioned people. To be specific, I mean that people latch on to these signifiers which short-circuit their ability to properly engage with a film. First, I mentioned trolls earlier and you didn't say anything about that not being your point so... don't blame me. Second, Why are you quoting that post? That was responding to a conversation with someone else. And I know, you already said that in your last post. I moved on because I didn't want to continue the argument with you. You are a weirdly aggressive poster. Lets just move on. Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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smoobles posted:Why did Bruce Wayne buy the bank, instead of just buying the Kents' house from the bank I've been thinking a bit about this, and the most positive interpretation is probably that the line is referring back to Cyborg giving a woman a bunch of money earlier. Bruce is going to try to pursue justice outside of chasing down criminals in a huge tank, by giving people houses. Unrelated: Barry gets a job in a crime lab. Did Batman use his cop contacts to make that happen?
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Chairman Capone posted:Aren't its fans notoriously vile and entitled, too? I feel like the only time I heard about the show was its fans trying to cyberbully someone into committing suicide for not drawing characters fat enough or poo poo like that. People that wanna be lovely will be lovely no matter what piece of media is involved.
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Martman posted:This is a can of worms and you know maybe it's better off not bringing up but dangit I just can't help it. I am extremely tired of media platforms propping up white women who seem to have taken on alternate names that just kind of happen to by total coincidence make them more "exotic and ethnic" sounding, and then they happen to present themselves as a voice for all minorities, and they just conveniently never actually explain what kind of place of privilege they may actually be speaking from. 
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LesterGroans posted:Yeah, he used to post here a lot yeah the best post ever made about man of steel is his
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Mantis42 posted:He's a 'former' goon and between Snyder and his prequel opinions, I'm pretty sure he's a CineD fan too. I remember him posting frequently in cined back when I posted less infrequently in cined or otherwise known as before I had kids.
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ungulateman posted:yeah the best post ever made about man of steel is his He didn't talk about the Weird Fist tm
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What did he say about Man of Steel?
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Small brain: the Monolith in 2001: A Space Odyssey is actually the film screen turned sideways. Big Brain: the square aspect ratio is the face of the Mother Box
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ungulateman posted:yeah the best post ever made about man of steel is his Okay, now I'm curious.
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Burkion posted:He didn't talk about the Weird Fist tm Best DCEU post is still the guy who pretended no one knew Diablo died in Suicide Squad
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Jimbot posted:What did he say about Man of Steel? Hbomberguy posted:You are misinterpreting what I wrote. The military does a fine job - but their job is wrong. They arrest Superman as though he's some kind of criminal simply for existing, and they try to keep tabs on him when he clearly doesn't want anything to do with them - even though the film portrays the individuals in it as good people.
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e; misread or stealth edit arg
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The good old days when ”versimilitude” was the line in the sand.
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I remember grimdark referring to 90s Image comics where everyone was just bloody dismemberment and literally made of metal and stuff and super XTreme. Liefeld was pretty much the king of this style of storytelling. Ellis mostly stayed away, on the flip side. Snyder stuff is just Infinite Crisis level in tone, which is why I was just so lost when everyone was using that term. Then over time, I realized none of these people saw any source materials for anything including even the older comic movies. Darko fucked around with this message at 01:51 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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It was originally a reference to the Warhammer 40k slogan “in the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war” and so it referred to stuff that was relentlessly brutal and dark and nihilistic to a comedic degree. Now, who knows
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Darko posted:I remember grimdark referring to 90s Image comics where everyone was just bloody dismemberment and literally made of metal and stuff and super XTreme. Liefeld was pretty much the king of this style of storytelling. Ellis mostly stayed away, on the flip side. We're living in the inverted cinematic version of the comic book industry's history, where the lesson learned after the success of The Dark Knight Returns & Watchmen elevating the medium to the level of 'art' by mainstream media resulted in the proliferation of mature graphic novels stripped of any substantial social & political criticism. KVeezy3 fucked around with this message at 02:22 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Here's what people are talking about when they talk about the tone of Man of Steel: Clark deals with some heavy poo poo and all of the action scenes he's involved in have serious consequences visible throughout.
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For the record ‘grimdarkness’ refers to both: A) The literal amount of brightness in a film. and B) The degree to which the characters enjoy what they’re doing. Christopher Reeves’ Superman can crush Zod’s hand before killing him, but the scene is very brightly lit and he does it with a smile. The scene will consequently never be described as ‘grimdark’, even though Zod’s shattered body now lies in the Fortress Of Solitude When Michael Keaton Batman sticks a bomb onto a clown and then tosses him into the sewer, this is dark. The scene takes place at night, and Batman is dressed in black. However, this is not grim because Batman does a goofy face. With Iron Man, you have an interesting case where Tony Stark is addicted to killing. So, even though it’s vaguely presented as a bad thing, and there are plenty of scenes where he looks like he’s on the verge of tears and about to have a mental breakdown, the film is not characterized as grim. Also it’s fairly bright and colourful, even during the few night scenes. This is where we get into the political dimension of ‘grimdarkness’, since films celebrated as the opposite (happybright?) tend to present a therapeutic narrative. The character is dealing with some difficulty or trauma (PTSD or whatever) and then overcomes it to embrace their role as a hero. The reason the Snyder Cut has received such a level of mainstream praise is that its characters reach a point where they are ready to face whatever challenges... but then the film ends, before Cyborg can hijack the internet and implement a universal basic income or something. That would be a political statement, and certainly a lot of people would get mad at him. He would certainly be disobeying his father, and Bruce might not be very pleased either. Consider the scene where Victor’s mom shames the old white dean for not being charitable enough. She’s not exactly wrong, but why not imagine a world where Victor’s friend doesn’t need exceptional grades or charity to survive? The specific nuance of the Snyder Cut, at least, is that it ends with the “gratuitous” postapocalyptic scene, which specifically undercuts the therapeutic narrative. We’re still hosed. The job isn’t done.
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Yea absolutely the mad max ending rules. Like first as a gag coming right after the Lex scene and secondly as a legit literary coda ala Owl Creek or some poo poo.
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“The future has taken root in the present.” Yeah, even after the big triumphant moment, it’s inevitable that the Earth will still turn into some kinda hell-world. It’s only in the past where the possibility of change now lies, the future for these characters now is seemingly already fixed. Like, the observation earlier about the huge jet looking like something from Terminator, is also accompanied by the bat-tank looking like chonkier version of the giant robots. Also the connection between the anti-life equation on Earth and Superman, along with Clark’s sacrifice “You are my world.” really reinforces the Excalibur vibe Snyder has going on “You and the land are one.”
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DeimosRising posted:It was originally a reference to the Warhammer 40k slogan “in the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war” and so it referred to stuff that was relentlessly brutal and dark and nihilistic to a comedic degree. Now, who knows Now it's like "it was cloudy outside in one scene why is this movie so mean"
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brawleh posted:“The future has taken root in the present.” It isn't inevitable. They just haven't prevented it yet. Can they prevent it? "Faith, Alfred, faith!"
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Reminder that "the future has taken root in the present" is a statement coming from the Kryptonian AI, which is from a twisted nightmare future planet very different from the one we see in the epilogue
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brawleh posted:“The future has taken root in the present.” Its like straight up the message from Dark Souls 2, "What has been done cannot be undone" SuperMechagodzilla posted:For the record ‘grimdarkness’ refers to both: This is an interesting point, and I think I agree with you overall.
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Brain-poisoned GBSers have convinced themselves that Flash groped Iris in the scene where he saves her in the Snydercut. It's amazing how this stuff just accidentally works out where like, Whedon includes gross objectification and fetishization, they say nothing, then this comes out and they literally just imagine stuff happening because they think Snyder loves [bad thing].
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Martman posted:Brain-poisoned GBSers have convinced themselves that Flash groped Iris in the scene where he saves her in the Snydercut. It's amazing how this stuff just accidentally works out where like, Whedon includes gross objectification and fetishization, they say nothing, then this comes out and they literally just imagine stuff happening because they think Snyder loves [bad thing].
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Martman posted:Brain-poisoned GBSers have convinced themselves that Flash groped Iris in the scene where he saves her in the Snydercut. It's amazing how this stuff just accidentally works out where like, Whedon includes gross objectification and fetishization, they say nothing, then this comes out and they literally just imagine stuff happening because they think Snyder loves [bad thing]. That's... wildly dumb. But its not worth losing sleep over what GBS says.
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Brutalist Zack snyder has gone too far making Aquaman rude.
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bushisms.txt posted:Zack snyder has gone too far.
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should have made martian manhunter one of the starlabs janitors, not martha lmfao
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