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PeterCat posted:Selling a used car, now dealing with all the "what's your bottom dollar?" bozos. That's one of my pet peeves. I'll usually just answer them back with the list price even if it says OBO.
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angryrobots posted:That's one of my pet peeves. I'll usually just answer them back with the list price even if it says OBO.  respond with some offensive denomination higher than the list price. Cheaply priced quick to move things with an offensive lowball is responded with a photo of the item in the trash or getting pissed on.
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Mar 23, 2021 22:53
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This is what basically worked for me in normal times: - figure out you’d be happy to get X for a used item, - list for X+20% to give yourself some haggling room, - reply X+10% to “what’s the lowest” people, they counter at X, you say “fine, you got me, but only if pickup today” which puts the pressure on them
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Mar 23, 2021 23:07
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You could always hit them with the “what’s your top dollar?” if you’re feeling spiteful. I dislike the “what’s your bottom dollar?” question and will either make an offer during first contact or when I see the item in person. iv46vi posted:This is what basically worked for me in normal times: That would be a ridiculous lowball offer. 
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Mar 23, 2021 23:22
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On my last go-round with FB marketplace (the bike mentioned above), I just blocked anyone I didn't want to deal with. I.e., a couple people that offered ~40% of asking price, some guy that kept calling instead of messaging only to not say anything, some helpful people who professed to know far more about the item being sold than me, etc.
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Mar 23, 2021 23:26
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Yeah gently caress' em. There are limitless buyers. Fire any that even seem slightly off, save your future self so much time, effort and potentially money.
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Mar 23, 2021 23:31
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I sold three shitboxes this weekend and dealt with a bunch of these people. A very rusty Subaru in barely running condition (the throw out bearing had completely disintegrated and I’m pretty sure the clutch fork was pushing directly on the clutch fingers), another Subaru in pretty good shape mechanically with a dinged up body that was an excellent beater, and a 21 year old Passat that had been sitting for about 5 years. Cars were all parked outside a family members business in an industrial park where I help out on the weekends sometimes and work on my cars. The VW belonged to said family member. A ton of people wanted the first Subaru because it was very cheap and had an intact catalytic converter...I offered it to the first guy who had messaged me, on Friday he said he’d meet me at 10:00 AM Saturday. 10:00 comes and goes, I message the dude and get no response. At 11:00 he tells me he will be there at 2:00 or 3:00 so I told him to get hosed. I sold it to the next guy who had messaged me who showed up, threw a battery in it and drove it onto a trailer and took it home. Cash in my hand, title signed and BOS completed, done in ten minutes. He said he was going to turn it into an enduro as a project with his kids. A++ would sell to again, except for the few anti-Semitic remarks he threw in here and there during our chatter. The next Subaru got sold to a buyer that remarked on dumb poo poo like the oil smelling like coolant and the coolant feeling greasy in an attempt to make me believe it would need a head gasket  and that it would need a clutch because the clutch engages so low in the pedal travel He offered me half of my asking price. I said no. He came up a little. I said no, and that I have four other people who are interested, you’re just the first guy who got here, and if it’s not the car for you then I’m not offended, I’ll just message the next guy. I go back inside. He calls me after a couple minutes and says he’ll take it for a couple hundred less than my asking price.The VW guy started messaging me Saturday and asked if the car would make it to his place which was about 40 minutes away with a fresh battery. I said maybe, it runs and drives, but had been sitting and I absolutely would recommend it gets towed and then used as a project or a parts car. This is a 500 dollar car, mind you. He gets there Sunday, which was when he could get a ride. He stuffs a battery in it, starts it, and buys it. He puts one of the plates from his girlfriend’s car on it and starts to drive it home. I did not comment on the legality of that. I go about my day and do some other stuff then when I check my phone he says it died before he got out of the parking lot . I say sorry  but I told you not to try to drive it home, and ask him where he is. He says Wal Mart, so I figured he meant it died in the Wal Mart parking lot. He asked me if he could leave it there. I said I didn’t care, because it’s his car. He messaged me and says he can’t figure out what’s wrong with it and he doesn’t have money for a tow. A little later I leave and notice he had left it in the parking lot of another business in the industrial park and left a note in the window which said he bought it from (my address) and that he would be back for it. I sharpied the address off of the note, then as I was leaving he shows up and starts loving around with it and told me he got AAA to tow it for him. It was gone Monday morning at least and I haven’t heard from him. Now, I’d feel sorry, but on Saturday he had tried to buy both the VW and the first Subaru from me, and sent me a picture of a fistful of cash for both of them. Maybe he blew the Subaru money Saturday night.
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Mar 24, 2021 03:06
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Vega Cosworth GT. Kinda like a mini Camaro. I wonder how much power could be gotten from that engine if using some sort of efi and light head porting if needed.    
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Mar 24, 2021 04:24
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That “bottom dollar” poo poo rubs me the wrong way. If you wanna lowball me, do it yourself you loving coward. Throw me an offer. I am selling a Puch Maxi moped on FB and I have it at an admittedly high price ($1000), but it’s in nice cosmetic shape, has lots of good parts, and actually has a clean-not-shady-title. It will run but might need a clutch or tuneup, and I mention this in the ad. People either offer me $300 or tell me to get back in touch with them when I have a real price in mind. gently caress you - you throw me a price. Worst case scenario is I am going to get some heavy wire and use it as a display in my garage along with some other mopeds.
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Mar 24, 2021 12:14
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Imperador do Brasil posted:That “bottom dollar” poo poo rubs me the wrong way. If you wanna lowball me, do it yourself you loving coward. Throw me an offer. I don't know if that moped is a good example since its in really good shape but how much wiggle room do you typically have in mind when you list something? Or heck how much wiggle room were you planning on with that moped?
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Mar 24, 2021 14:09
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Imperador do Brasil posted:That “bottom dollar” poo poo rubs me the wrong way. If you wanna lowball me, do it yourself you loving coward. Throw me an offer. It's the worst. I either don't reply to those people, or just send whatever asking price I have it listed for. I'm not negotiating against myself for you, rear end in a top hat.
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Mar 24, 2021 14:38
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I'll always make an offer. Hate it when they agree too quickly though, means I should have gone lower.
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Mar 24, 2021 15:12
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I make all offers in person. After dealing with parade of poo poo on facebook, people tend to agree/accept quickly. It also helps to not low-ball and generally respect people when negotiating
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Mar 24, 2021 15:49
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Nitrox posted:I make all offers in person. After dealing with parade of poo poo on facebook, people tend to agree/accept quickly. It also helps to not low-ball and generally respect people when negotiating Yeah that's USUALLY my experience too. Then I had a string of sellers who wouldn't budge at all on their prices when I was offering really close to their asking price in both cases and found that annoying. Either way the car is coming together though.
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Mar 24, 2021 16:00
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Yeah making an offer with cash in hand is always the way to go, people react differently when they see the cash in front of their face rather than a bullshit offer through FB/CL when they probably don't even have the money to begin with
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Mar 24, 2021 16:16
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If we agree on a price and the person shows up and offers less, no matter the amount, I'm going to be righteously pissed than if you had just did your dumb poo poo on the internet. Waste of my goddamn time you are NOT doing me a favor. 
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Mar 24, 2021 16:22
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KakerMix posted:If we agree on a price and the person shows up and offers less, no matter the amount, I'm going to be righteously pissed than if you had just did your dumb poo poo on the internet. Agree. Haggle in person, haggle online, whatever. But don't agree to a price and then try to lower it when you get here.
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Mar 24, 2021 16:24
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When I was buying my shitbox, I knew he'd have to go down quite a bit to make sense, so I asked to see it in person without agreeing on the price and then basically said issues A and B are way worse than you make it sound in the ad, and there's also issue C so $600 is as much as I can offer. He took it without arguing, so I suppose I could've gone even lower but it was pretty reasonable. Then I tried to buy an old ammo crate. The ad said "offer me your price" so I did some research and found people selling them form $15 so that's what I offered. They said they're looking for a different amount, at least twice as much. Well  if you know how much you want then write it in the ad, or don't get offended at reasonable offers.
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Mar 24, 2021 16:27
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KakerMix posted:If we agree on a price and the person shows up and offers less, no matter the amount, I'm going to be righteously pissed than if you had just did your dumb poo poo on the internet. See this is a much more reasonable stance then when you were acting like I was out of line asking a guy to come down $5 on a bumper cover. Good to know you do expect some sort of negotiation to take place as part of the buying process. I'm not saying that negotiation is a requirement, when you said negotiation is not a requirement that is still perfectly acceptable, I'm just speaking to the expectation of it, especially when it comes to buying used cars/parts from private to private sellers and buyers online. I still need to install that dang bumper cover too. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Mar 24, 2021 16:35
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i own every Bionicle posted:It was gone Monday morning at least and I haven’t heard from him. Now, I’d feel sorry, but on Saturday he had tried to buy both the VW and the first Subaru from me, and sent me a picture of a fistful of cash for both of them. Hahaha, amazing.
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Mar 24, 2021 16:43
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Your grandchildren are going to grow up knowing this story by heart, aren’t they
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Mar 24, 2021 16:44
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I can't count how many times I've gone to see a car in person and the tires are garbage or there are some other glaring issues that weren't mentioned in the add. Making an offer before you see anything, especially a car in person is dumb.
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Mar 24, 2021 16:45
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Coredump posted:I don't know if that moped is a good example since its in really good shape but how much wiggle room do you typically have in mind when you list something? Or heck how much wiggle room were you planning on with that moped? I usually figure in 20% haggle room so I’d like to ideally get like $800. I’d accept $700 for someone who really wants to put this particular ‘ped back to swell condition and on the road again. I really just hate the people who message saying “your price is wack, I’ll give you $200”. Does that work on anyone to make them think “wow maybe I am out of my mind?”. If anything it’s just going to sour the seller on you as a buyer even if you do come to an agreement. Recently I had a KTM SX bike listed for $3900 delivered within a reasonable distance and expecting $3300. One dude offered me $3k because my price was “ridiculous”. It was a bit of a lowball but I’d still be in the positive, and I said sure if he’d come pick it up. He lives like 70 miles away. Days go by and he keeps moaning about how he can’t get a ride over and can I deliver it for $3100? 3200? 3300? I got sick of his poo poo and told him the number was $3600 and when I showed up to his house the cash has to be in my hand before the bike comes off the truck. He paid, then proceeded to nit pick every little cosmetic thing on a used supercross bike and asking his buddy to borrow his helmet because he had just bought a 55hp bike and didn’t even own a helmet. He also ignored all my advice on starting it, and it was up on FB two weeks later after only having been ridden for an hour. At least he didn’t die. Imperador do Brasil fucked around with this message at 17:02 on Mar 24, 2021 |
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Mar 24, 2021 16:58
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Coredump posted:See this is a much more reasonable stance then when you were acting like I was out of line asking a guy to come down $5 on a bumper cover. Good to know you do expect some sort of negotiation to take place as part of the buying process. I'm not saying that negotiation is a requirement, when you said negotiation is not a requirement that is still perfectly acceptable, I'm just speaking to the expectation of it, especially when it comes to buying used cars/parts from private to private sellers and buyers online. You don't understand though. I think I'm a reasonable seller since I seem to be doing ok selling whole, entire cars from a nation who drives on the other side of the road. My point to you, originally, was the seller owes you nothing. If the seller just doesn't like you and walks away and wastes your time, tough poo poo. The item that is being sold is theirs, they hold absolute power if you get it or not and what they need to give it to you. Sellers can change their mind, be arbitrary, suddenly poo poo their pants right in front of you, stare directly into your eyes the whole time, and demand a kiss. Unfortunately that's just how it is. Buying and selling on the internet is a personality thing. As a seller, I will directly ignore or deny people because I don't like what they put on facebook (lol gently caress you trumper), or how they asked a question, or how the respond to my answers. This will almost always save my future-self time and heartache because if just dealing with them is a slog here at the beginning of the transaction then imagine how terrible it's going to be when the actual money is involved. Everyone expects a deal, but that isn't an actual rule. If I list something, say the price is firm, I mean it. A buyer does me no favors for buying whatever it is I have to sell, dollars only go so far.
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It seems that most people don't understand the above because they assume anyone selling anything is also living paycheck to paycheck and needs some cash RIGHT NOW before their boat gets repo'd or something. I've run into this multiple times when selling high dollar items, the most recent was when selling a tractor with a plow and someone wanted to buy just the plow for a ridiculously low price and I'm like "it's not for sale separately" and the response was "TOO BAD FOR YOU AT LEAST YOU COULD HAVE MADE SOME MONEY" and I'm thinking....yeah, selling a tractor without a plow in November.....that sounds like it would be a great plan. E: Oh wait, this is THAT guy again? Yeah, shut the gently caress up dude. Motronic fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Mar 24, 2021 |
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Mar 24, 2021 17:15
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Coredump posted:See this is a much more reasonable stance then when you were acting like I was out of line asking a guy to come down $5 on a bumper cover. Good to know you do expect some sort of negotiation to take place as part of the buying process. I'm not saying that negotiation is a requirement, when you said negotiation is not a requirement that is still perfectly acceptable, I'm just speaking to the expectation of it, especially when it comes to buying used cars/parts from private to private sellers and buyers online. hey why dont you ever shut the gently caress up
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MY INEVITABLE DEBT posted:hey why dont you ever shut the gently caress up Dude literally says he wants to stop talking about then talks about it a week later LOL
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Mar 24, 2021 17:40
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Coredump posted:See this is a much more reasonable stance then when you were acting like I was out of line asking a guy to come down $5 on a bumper cover. Good to know you do expect some sort of negotiation to take place as part of the buying process. I'm not saying that negotiation is a requirement, when you said negotiation is not a requirement that is still perfectly acceptable, I'm just speaking to the expectation of it, especially when it comes to buying used cars/parts from private to private sellers and buyers online. 
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Mar 24, 2021 18:06
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3 probs and an avatar, fyi.
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Mar 24, 2021 18:11
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Mods please don't allow coredump to post in the CL thread tia
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Mar 24, 2021 18:32
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he's pming me now to take issue with telling him to shut the gently caress up
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Mar 24, 2021 18:32
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Applebees Appetizer posted:Mods please don't allow coredump to post in the CL thread tia
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Mar 24, 2021 18:32
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MY INEVITABLE DEBT posted:he's pming me now to take issue with telling him to shut the gently caress up 
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Mar 24, 2021 18:42
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MY INEVITABLE DEBT posted:he's pming me now to take issue with telling him to shut the gently caress up lmaoooooo
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MY INEVITABLE DEBT posted:he's pming me now to take issue with telling him to shut the gently caress up Don't let them haggle you down
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Mar 24, 2021 18:44
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Steely Dad posted:Your grandchildren are going to grow up knowing this story by heart, aren’t they
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Mar 24, 2021 18:52
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Krakkles posted:At this rate, there's going to be a netflix special about it. Bryan Cranston stars in the new Netflix series.....LOWBALLERS
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Mar 24, 2021 19:02
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Midjack posted:lmaoooooo also, 
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Applebees Appetizer posted:Mods please don't allow coredump to post in the CL thread tia QFT. The only reason this thread has 30 loving new posts. Seriously coredump, shut the gently caress up about this poo poo and drop it.
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Applebees Appetizer posted:Yeah making an offer with cash in hand is always the way to go, people react differently when they see the cash in front of their face rather than a bullshit offer through FB/CL when they probably don't even have the money to begin with Not only that, but personality and narrative make a huge impact as well. I sold an old Dodge pickup a couple years ago. First guy came to look because he needed something to pull a trailer for his tree-trimming business. He offered $200 under my asking and I passed. Next guy was a high school kid who’d been saving money from his PetCo job. He would message me every week going “is it still there? I’m still talking my parents into it!” He was positively exuberant when he came to look at it. He offered me $400 under and I went “you bet!” and then went and boxed up some old parts I had to go with. I still see it around town. New wheels and a nice toolbox. I’m absolutely delighted with how that turned out.
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