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2house2fly posted:It gets funnier each time I watch this that WB hired Joss Whedon to heavily reshoot it rather than just trimming what was there. This is a straight-up Avengers style superhero movie played straight as an arrow. It's scientifically designed for audiences to lose their mind hooting and hollering at big hero moments. They poo poo themselves and buried it because Cyborg looks sad in a couple of scenes and the final battle takes place at night lmfao A curious experiment would be seeing how much you can cut until the film stops being coherent. I don't think there's a possibility of making a good 2-hour film out of this material, but think there could be a great 3-hour cut.
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John Wick of Dogs posted:What if they did the opposite and had him do the action unit That might be even funnier, because the likely situation would be the inverse of the ideal Zack film usually fantasized about : to excise the cool action scenes from the 'bad' overall storytelling. 2house2fly posted:It gets funnier each time I watch this that WB hired Joss Whedon to heavily reshoot it rather than just trimming what was there. This is a straight-up Avengers style superhero movie played straight as an arrow. It's scientifically designed for audiences to lose their mind hooting and hollering at big hero moments. They poo poo themselves and buried it because Cyborg looks sad in a couple of scenes and the final battle takes place at night lmfao To be fair to them, Cyborg is both sorrowful and black (grimdark) as the lynchpin in the Snyder Cut, which is impossible to relate to, and so is fiscally irresponsible.
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roffels posted:A curious experiment would be seeing how much you can cut until the film stops being coherent. I don't think there's a possibility of making a good 2-hour film out of this material, but think there could be a great 3-hour cut. I imagine that's what they shot around, too. Snyder's ironically the only one actually realising there's no way they can compete with the quantity of films Marvel pumped out, so sets up the first act of superhero Lord of the Rings.
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Mar 25, 2021 15:37
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roffels posted:A curious experiment would be seeing how much you can cut until the film stops being coherent. I don't think there's a possibility of making a good 2-hour film out of this material, but think there could be a great 3-hour cut. I want to see the 214m cut, because that would've almost certainly been the one released in 2017 if WB execs weren't bitches.
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Mar 25, 2021 16:11
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I'm guessing the main difference would be epilogue would end at the Kent farm or when he opens his shirt, shots would linger a bit less, no martian Manhunter bits, wouldn't see Martha until her scene with Lois, Cyborgs desert of the real sequence a little shorter.
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Mar 25, 2021 16:21
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John Wick of Dogs posted:I'm guessing the main difference would be epilogue would end at the Kent farm or when he opens his shirt, shots would linger a bit less, no martian Manhunter bits, wouldn't see Martha until her scene with Lois, Cyborgs desert of the real sequence a little shorter. No Alfred making tea, less Silas and Ryan Choi.
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Mar 25, 2021 16:26
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The Martian Manhunter scene as originally shot for John Stewart makes way more sense. The moment in the fight where the Green Lantern ring flys around Darkseid acts as a teaser for him. It would make sense that the smurfs would think to enlist a new GL for Earth's sector after hearing about Steppenwolf's failed invasion. Way more sense than Martian Manhunter being on Earth the whole and not directly helping during the second alien invasion within a decade.
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Superman sits down across from Zod and grabs the wrong fork for his salad. Zod: I was bred and trained for a singular purpose, the practice of Kryptonian etiquette. Where did you learn your table manners? A BARN!?
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roffels posted:A curious experiment would be seeing how much you can cut until the film stops being coherent. I don't think there's a possibility of making a good 2-hour film out of this material It’s absolutely doable, but it would involve some very brutal editorial decisions. Like, there’s such a glut of footage here that you could easily use it to construct a Flash solo movie (featuring Justice League) - or just about anything.
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roffels posted:A curious experiment would be seeing how much you can cut until the film stops being coherent. I don't think there's a possibility of making a good 2-hour film out of this material, but think there could be a great 3-hour cut. For what it’s worth, Snyder presented WB with 3:00, 2:40, and 2:20 cuts. WB insisted on a 2:00 cut and that’s when he walked.
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Mar 25, 2021 17:03
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Imagine the sheer breakneck pace of a 2h40m cut of this thing, never mind 2h flat. Jfc
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:It’s absolutely doable, but it would involve some very brutal editorial decisions. Don't give WB ideas.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Don't give WB ideas. K Waste listen up though e: hell, SMG get on it yourself after you finish up your TFA edit Shanty fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Mar 25, 2021 |
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Don't give WB ideas. They had their chance, and they hosed it up. It's now very clear that the reshoots were strictly unnecessary, even from a commercial perspective. So - it's rather perverse to imagine - but you could easily recreate the Whedon Cut using only Snyder's footage (and the original dialogue, Junkie XL score, etc.), to attain a Superman-centric narrative with close to a two-hour runtime. A sort of "What If WB Were Still poo poo, But At Least Less Incompetent" cut. But there are just infinite possibilities here. Snyder himself considered like four different versions of the film. Shanty posted:K Waste listen up though The TFA Total Re-Edit got disrupted due to technical problems, and Star Wars 9's release providing a ton of raw footage with more narrative potential. I'm currently working on a different project. Watching Snyder Cut, though, you get really tempted to mess with it. My evil instinct is to remove most of the action scenes. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 17:50 on Mar 25, 2021 |
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Insisting on 2h seems so weird when Age of Ultron and Infinity War were both over 2:20 and of course then Endgame was three hours. e: and the original avengers to boot, all of them were over 140 Peel fucked around with this message at 17:48 on Mar 25, 2021 |
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:They had their chance, and they hosed it up. I mean, imagine building an entire cinematic universe just out of one movie with various cuts! For a slightly different flavour of brain poison, I draw a sudden comparison between Superman succumbing to despair and the Anti-Life Equation and the magical girls of Madoka Magica becoming Witches when they lose hope.
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Mar 25, 2021 17:47
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Return of the King theatrical was 201 minutes. ZSJL would still be very good at 201 minutes (basically no Epilogue and a few minorly trimmed scenes). They blew it.
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Peel posted:Insisting on 2h seems so weird when Age of Ultron and Infinity War were both over 2:20 and of course then Endgame was three hours. Batman V Superman had a huge opening and then considerably less ticket sales the successive weeks. They were probably counting on a similar huge opening on Justice League with multiple screenings that first weekend until word got out how poo poo it was. Rather than, you know, put a good film out there that might have legs.
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Peel posted:Insisting on 2h seems so weird when Age of Ultron and Infinity War were both over 2:20 and of course then Endgame was three hours. It’s almost like the request was deliberately unreasonable because people in WB wanted Snyder gone no matter what, or something
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It's so odd to see the studio that lets Nolan make whatever he wants at whatever length, and basically put themselves out there as the studio of Epic Filmmaking and yet they were like "No, JL MUST be 2 Hours Even"
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Return of the King theatrical was 201 minutes. ZSJL would still be very good at 201 minutes (basically no Epilogue and a few minorly trimmed scenes). They blew it. Was the Kent house being saved part of the epilogue? I'd have kept that then put the Knightmare scene after Hallelujah in the credits. I 100% get why ZS did not do that though. I think he'd have felt he was undermining the dedication to Autumn by putting in a hellworld after that.
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:It’s almost like the request was deliberately unreasonable because people in WB wanted Snyder gone no matter what, or something I thought that, but then the Whedon cut was exactly 2 hours. Someone really wanted it for some reason
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2house2fly posted:I thought that, but then the Whedon cut was exactly 2 hours. Someone really wanted it for some reason Probably some corporate metrics bullshit about more screenings per day, and Whedon taking glee in being a hack. Also I bet all the scenes with minorities were already being circled for cuts.
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Tried watching the Justice is Gray edition, and it wasn't doing anything for me. So I switched to watching the color edition for a third time. I may not be film nerdy enough to get behind the black and white edition. I'm not sure I see the point.
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Peel posted:Insisting on 2h seems so weird when Age of Ultron and Infinity War were both over 2:20 and of course then Endgame was three hours. The Endgame comparison is especially comical because it meant Snyder was effectively ahead of the game on what was planned for the MCU before WB held him back. Ghost Leviathan posted:For a slightly different flavour of brain poison, I draw a sudden comparison between Superman succumbing to despair and the Anti-Life Equation and the magical girls of Madoka Magica becoming Witches when they lose hope. Now you've got me contemplating, like, a backwards AMVs.
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Zack said he gave WB a 3hr cut, a 2hr 40min cut, and a 2hr 20min cut. WB said it had to be 2hrs, no longer, and that’s when he decided to walk away.
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thrawn527 posted:Tried watching the Justice is Gray edition, and it wasn't doing anything for me. So I switched to watching the color edition for a third time. I may not be film nerdy enough to get behind the black and white edition. I'm not sure I see the point. Can anyone confirm anything new or reconfigured in the Gray edition?
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Pirate Jet posted:I hypothesized a few months before release that the reason WB put Zack Snyder’s name right in the title of the film was to act as a litmus test on Zack Snyder’s reputation. If they’re really as averse to working with him again as it seems, they may have made a huge mistake.
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I honestly don't believe he'd be as big as he is if he didn't have so many toxic haters spreading outright lies about him. The fan response to them created a feedback loop that amplified his presence.
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Mr. Apollo posted:Zack said he gave WB a 3hr cut, a 2hr 40min cut, and a 2hr 20min cut. WB said it had to be 2hrs, no longer, and that’s when he decided to walk away. This makes the Whedon Cut a bit more explicable. WB almost certainly had a rough two-hour cut ready to go, as a guideline, before Whedon commenced reshooting to change the tone. This is why so many shots (or whole sequences) are such odd replicas of Snyder footage. Whedon could have done anything, but specifically wrote a scene where Lois and Martha sit at a table and talk about grief. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Mar 25, 2021 |
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Plus they changed things for continuity to other films. "We're not doing a British accent and she's wearing a red with in Aquaman now so reshoot those scenes. Also Vulko looks different and we can't get him for reshoots anyway so cut those parts." "We're gone make Wonder Woman more family friendly so make sure she doesn't kill anybody" "We haven't decided on who we want to cast for Iris so don't put in the Iris scene" "Superman said Do You Bleed so you need to reshoot the farm scene where they say he talked again for the first time. Ms Diane Lane is not available."
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If Whedon didn't suck so much as a person I might be willing to be a bit more lenient on some of the decisions he made given the circumstance, but he does suck so screw him.
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Yeah without the toxicity Zack Snyder would be a director's name that I knew and followed and enjoyed like Dennis Villeneuve but don't really discuss much. If people constantly made bad faith criticism of DV and poo poo I would be in the Villeneuve Cube or whatever the thread was called.
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I have to sound off on Wonder Woman and how she vaporized that bomber/shooter early in the movie. That little girl who wants to be like her when she grows up, right after seeing that righteous violence play out, is gonna be UNSTOPPABLE.
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And you know what? She CAN grow up to be like Diana. Batman already invented the gauntlets.
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John Wick of Dogs posted:Plus they changed things for continuity to other films. It's so loving weird that they changed Lois's line from "you spoke" to "you smell good". Like at first I thought "oh, they changed it because Whedon had him speak in the memorial fight" but... they could have just cut that bit of the scene out entirely. Just have him say "this is home" and cut to them walking in the house. Instead they ADRed another line in to make it into a dumb joke??????
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Perhaps the only true flaw of the movie is that Antifa Schoolgirl doesn’t show up in the knightmare holding a sword.
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A friend of mine had never watched any of the DC stuff; he's a nerd but not a huge comics guy and I think had heard enough people criticize the Snyder stuff that he just wasn't motivated. So I got him to watch Man of Steel with me and he instantly noticed things like the exploded moon in the background of the Krypton scene, and was just straightforwardly happy about the way the church scene used the stained glass window imagery. I mean I'm certainly like, encouraging him to be positive about stuff, but he got pretty seriously excited about watching BvS and Justice League soon... feels good to get this kind of response from a normal person. I think there's a kind of shift where a lot of normies finally got exhausted by the sheer number of Marvel movie/tv things so the idea of only having to watch three movies is pretty appealing in a different way.
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thrawn527 posted:Tried watching the Justice is Gray edition, and it wasn't doing anything for me. So I switched to watching the color edition for a third time. I may not be film nerdy enough to get behind the black and white edition. I'm not sure I see the point. It's neat to see how photographs can change in mood/tone when you strip them of color. Especially when images are super contrast-y, which Snyder's work typically is, and ZSJL most certainly is.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Perhaps the only true flaw of the movie is that Antifa Schoolgirl doesn’t show up in the knightmare holding a sword. It could even be Diana's sword.
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