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sebmojo posted:PRNZ propose PROJECT FALX, a crash course to upgrade our space combat readiness. This should have a goal of achieving a practical (taking into account current or readily achievable technology) but effective space fighting force, under the jurisdiction of XCOM, within two years, comprising at least ten craft capable of engaging and defeating a similar size force of the crashed Grey ships. HereticMIND posted:This is exactly what BLUE WARHOUND was designed for. We need to raise the readiness levels of all available ship crews and have them trained before we enter any meaningful combat. In essence, BLUE WARHOUND is to act as a compliment to FALX and should be considered secondary to FALX’s priority in terms of training (ie. BLUE WARHOUND should, ideally, be taught as the last course of general training or offered as an Advanced Officer’s Training Course for those headhunted/slated for command positions aboard flagships).
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We stand at the dawn of a new age of space exploration, comrades. It is our duty and responsibility to set the course for decades and centuries to come, to influence how space will be used or, if we are not careful, abused. For this reason, now is the time to set standards, not just by example, but also by treaty and diplomacy. Japan seeks to claim the stars as well, and others will follow. If we want to avoid a colonisation rush fraught with conflict and human tragedy, we must act now. For this reason, I propose the Ascension Accords Act The Ascension Accords Act reads as follows: The Comintern shall begin immediate, diplomatic outreach to all relevant policies on earth, or in the case of Japan, continue said outreach, with the goal of forming an accord that shall lay down ground rules for the use and colonisation of space. While absolute consent from all nations is not required, the resulting accord should have a broad basis of support among both comintern and non-aligned nations, or at least those likely to build spacecraft in the forseeable future. Signing the accords should be incentivised via beneficial trade conditions and other soft benefits. Refusal of the accords and ignoring the rules laid out within them may result in withholding of MOSA charters and licenses, refusal of space commerce and any other consequences MOSA deems fitting. Signing of the Accords should be a requirement for Japan to be sold any spacecraft, as it should be for any other polity that may request the same at a later date. Below is a first, rough draft of the Ascension Accords as worked out in committee. It may be adjusted by Comintern diplomats, but the draft should serve as a rough guideline to the points the AA should cover. It should be signed at ascension island, hence the name. 1 Preamble Unless otherwise specified, these accords apply to everything beyond the orbit of earth. Their purpose is to facilitate peaceful, cooperative use of TNE technology and the opportunities it presents, while avoiding the follies of the past with regards to colonisation and exploitation. 2 Colonisation and Land Claims 2.1 The bounties of the stars are for all mankind, and may not be hoarded by whoever reaches them first. No nation, nor trans-national organisation, may lay an exclusive claim to any planet or moon that contains significant Transnewtonian elements except by consent of all other signees. The legitimate mining efforts of other nations and other actors shall not be impeded. 2.1.1 Significant Transnewtonian element deposits shall be defined as 10,000 tons or more in total, minable minerals. 2.2 The same shall apply to naturally habitable planets or moons regardless of their mineral content, or such bodies that can trivially be rendered fully habitable. 2.3 For the purpose of logistics, confidential scientific research and testing as well as possible military use, nations and trans-national organisations may establish exclusive control over bodies not covered by 2.1 or 2.2. They may enforce reasonable control over the space surrounding such a colony, as long as they do not unduly impede legitimate traffic to nearby bodies. 2.3.1 Claimed bodies must be put to actual use or such claims will be considered null and void. 2.4 No corporation may be given sovereignty or law enforcement powers within any colony or installation. 3 Scientific Cooperation 3.1 All parties of the Accords are required to mutually share the following data in a timely manner: 3.1.1 All survey and navigational data 3.1.2 Any discovery of extraterrestrial life 3.1.3 Any information on threats, whether natural or artificial, originating beyond earth 4 Extraterrestrial Life 4.1 Any discovered, extraterrestrial life should be documented and studied as thoroughly as possible and the resulting data made available to the greater scientific community. 4.2 Any such life and its natural habitat should be preserved. 4.3 Should such life be intelligent life, the parties further agree to: 4.3.1 Respect said intelligent life and its rights as they would the inalienable rights of any human. 4.3.1.1 It is especially forbidden to kidnap or kill such life except in self-defence or the defence of others, or to vivisect or otherwise perform invasive medical studies or experiments on such life, or to conquer, imprison, enslave, hold in indentured servitude or otherwise exploit any intelligent being. 4.3.1.2 The homeworld and its solar system of any intelligent life is to be considered their sole and exclusive domain. No mining, colonising or claiming of any kind by human polities shall take place in it. 4.3.2 Peaceful contact and diplomacy with such life should be attempted. Under no circumstances should parties provoke conflict. 4.3.3 Any long-term diplomatic contact with such extraterrestrial, intelligent life should not be the sole domain of any one nation, though for the purpose of preventing a unified front, a single agency such as MOSA or XCOM may be tasked with conducting diplomacy. Other parties of the accords should be consulted for their input as soon as feasible. 5 Political Rights of Colonies 5.1 The political rights and needs of any colony formed under 2.1 or 2.2 shall be considered and respected. Its citizens shall be considered equal in rights and privileges to those of the homeland. 5.2 Such colonies must be granted a path towards independence or local sovereignty and authority, if a majority of the colony so wishes. 5.3 Military, logistical or scientific outposts, as per 2.3, are exempt from being granted independence or local sovereignty. The rights of their citizens must still be respected. 6 Navigation and Rescuing Operations 6.1 Parties to the Accords shall agree on a common set of emergency distress signals and frequencies. All ships under the authority of the Parties have an absolute duty to render aid when receiving a distress signal, unless doing so would greatly endanger the responding vessel. Furthermore, they have a duty to pass such a distress signal along to enable further rescue efforts. 6.2 In the event of a war or armed conflict, parties agree to carry out search and rescue operations as soon as military necessity allows and to rescue any person in distress regardless of nationality or allegiance. 6.3 Parties shall further agree on standards of communication, navigation and commerce to facilitate communication between vessels and port authorities, docking procedures and any other standards that technological development requires.
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TDS posted:2.4 No corporation may be given sovereignty or law enforcement powers within any colony or installation. Why would we tolerate the existence of corporations at all? Are we that eager for a return to a world where large concentrations of wealth easily translated to political power and thus distortions of democracy? The only industry is state industry. Citizens should be allowed their private and hobby projects, perhaps even assigned an amount of state resources for them if the community democratically decides that they wish to support it, but private enterprises and corporations just exist to sate greed. NewMars posted:4: The Indian Negotiation Act: This act will formalize the goals of our negotiations with India: in exchange for the dismantlement of their feudal-throwback caste system and the initiation of continent-wide worker standards, we will begin providing aid and resources, while also opening up discussions with rebels to wind down the current conflict. We will use the provision of aid to start organizing unions and communes, educating and uplifting the workers before they can sway them towards capitalist-sympathetic views and undermine the class struggle. This may include the offering of comintern observer status. Simply having an OSHA department and no formal caste society would not be enough. India would need to commit to a welfare system as well as free education and healthcare, with recognition by the Comintern being in stages awarded as they accomplish these goals. Of course, the odds of them accepting that they will have to start treating their citizens like human being are minimal, so I wholly support the funding and arming of a communist insurgency(but only those groups who are willing to commit entirely to signing on to the various Comintern treaties and pacts guaranteeing human rights and the like. It would be a blow against the Comintern's legitimacy if we funded a supposedly democratic communist insurgency only for it to turn into a new autocracy as soon as they win). NewMars posted:5: The Japanese Negotiation Act: This will formalize our stance on negotiations: their demands are provisional on accepting observer status. In acceptance of this status they will not need to change anything immediately, but will gain access to the benefits of observer status. They shall not be allowed to militarize spaceflight, unless the provisions under the GDIFA act come into play, should it pass. All other details are negotiable, but this is not, should the act pass. The same requirements applied to India should be applied to Japan. Recognition, trade and any kind of formal treaties will require that they begin, and promise to continue, moving towards an equal state that guarantees a safe and worthy life for all citizens(welfare, healthcare, education, OSHA, legalizing all workers' unions, freedom of religion, etc.). We must not cooperate with an oppressive capitalist state simply because it's politically expedient at the moment. NewMars posted:7. I can't see how anyone could disagree with any of these, though, at least in principle.
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PurpleXVI posted:Why would we tolerate the existence of corporations at all? Are we that eager for a return to a world where large concentrations of wealth easily translated to political power and thus distortions of democracy? The only industry is state industry. Citizens should be allowed their private and hobby projects, perhaps even assigned an amount of state resources for them if the community democratically decides that they wish to support it, but private enterprises and corporations just exist to sate greed.
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TDS posted:Because this is an international treaty aimed not just at the Comintern, but also at unaligned or UN aligned nations. We want Japan to sign it, and asking them to go fully communist is a bit of a big ask, now isn't it? Their asking us for permission to export an oppressive form of caste-based government to space is also a bit of a "big ask." My vote is that unless they abandon capitalism, we block their access to space by whatever means it takes. We already made a mistake by allowing the Hawaiians into space, clearly, but that's no reason tollow up with an even worse mistake.
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Firstly, the DRMN would like to extend its congratulations to the Republic of Lakotah for its entry into the Comintern. We endeavor to be as good a neighbor to them as they will be to us. At the very least they will be better than the previous guy in charge over there, the Mad King who held court in the Mitchell Corn Palace. As for legislation... The DRMN would, in reponse to Japan's negotiations, like to propose VENUSPLAN as a counter-offer. Japan requests Karzelek-class geosurvey ships. They will not be getting them, because frankly we've already surveyed every major body in the Solar System and it's in the interest of neither of us for them to be spending years playing catch-up. Instead, we will provide the first production run of a high-capacity tractor-beam tugboat, developed in a joint research initiative (e: if they don't bite with that bait of an initial offer, we might offer a Bewora freighter or two to sweeten the pot). They're going to need one anyway if we're gonna succeed in the main goal. That's right, I propose the development of Venus. A joint venture between Japan, the NOMAD Collective (experts in mobile habitats) and our new friends in the Mideast (who I'm sure are eager to test their mettle in Sorium extraction, as well as experts in living in water-scarce environments) wherein we provide the ships, and THEY provide research into the large aerostat habitats to be manufactured on Earth and hauled out toward Venus for material exploitation. The resulting colonies will be considered an independent body, jointly administered, with the distribution of its TNE production to be negotiated. This will act as a demonstration of international cooperation and goodwill, fostering fellowship between the Capitalist and Communist spheres, and will massively jump-start Japan's space ambitions. It will also conveniently massively tie up Japan's economy for the foreseeable future. This will hamper any ideas of out-of-control colony spamming in the outer solar system, as well as disrupting their investment in the non-aligned powers they've been propping up, giving us an opening. Plus it gives us experience in atmospheric habitation and resource extraction, useful when we get to the deposits in the Gas Giants they don't know about We are also happy to accept the denouncement of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in exile, as well as the turning over of their nuclear warheads. An agreement to trade in resources and (domestic) technologies is also appreciated. We are of course open to amending this proposal, if necessary. edited upon advisement from the People's Congress Asterite34 fucked around with this message at 01:33 on Apr 1, 2021 |
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I have to ask if you're absolutely serious about that observer status? A nation could then get benefits of the Comintern for its elites, and none of it going to its people? Why? If we do create an observer status, it must only be open to non-capitalist, non-monarchist nations, the only difference with full membership in the Comintern would then be they don't get to vote in the people's congress, but also don't have to apply all of our rules, but still benefit from our aid programs and military alliance, etc. And you're not just proposing letting capitalists leech off the workers's labour, again, but also giving them military ships?! PurpleXVI posted:My vote is that unless they abandon capitalism, we block their access to space by whatever means it takes. We already made a mistake by allowing the Hawaiians into space, clearly, but that's no reason tollow up with an even worse mistake. Yes, capitalism must die on Earth. What I'd propose is: We don't deal with Japan at this time. If they want a deal that doesn't include a non-negotiable transfer of spaceships to them, maybe, but spaceships they can't have unless they develop them on their own. And that we also ramp up support for Japanese, Brazilian and Nigerian communist parties and insurgent groups. The eventual fall of Japan would also likely topple the Brazilian military dictatorship, and weaken Nigeria that apparently depends heavily on Japan and is "very firmly" in Japan's UN. So, essentially, Japan is the last obstacle to worldwide communism. For India, that's good, I second this: PurpleXVI posted:Simply having an OSHA department and no formal caste society would not be enough. India would need to commit to a welfare system as well as free education and healthcare, with recognition by the Comintern being in stages awarded as they accomplish these goals. Asterite34 posted:Japan requests Karzelek-class geosurvey ships. They will not be getting them, because frankly we've already surveyed every major body in the Solar System and it's in the interest of neither of us for them to be spending years playing catch-up. Instead, we will provide a Berowa or two... I bet Japan wants the Berowa more than the Karzelek. They said they were in talks with the Hawaiians for another ship, and the Hawaiian ships are both colony ships. If we give them cargo ships and they get colony ships from Hawaii, they'll be capable of creating colonies of their own and export capitalism to space. I count that as a loss condition.
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Sanev.Khan posted:I bet Japan wants the Berowa more than the Karzelek. They said they were in talks with the Hawaiians for another ship, and the Hawaiian ships are both colony ships. If we give them cargo ships and they get colony ships from Hawaii, they'll be capable of creating colonies of their own and export capitalism to space. I count that as a loss condition. Technically true, but without survey ships, they won't know where to put them. We have an overwhelming information advantage, and I don't think they're keen to put down an enormous investment in settling a potentially dead rock without any magic minerals. Venus demonstrably has enough TNEs that us letting them in on it doesn't feel like they're being cheated (and in fact they might like the idea of skipping the tedious surveying step a little bit, they're already behind in this new space race and don't want to take time to be even MORE behind), but in fact, yeah, we really are kinda cheating them by giving them Literal Hell to colonize and they don't yet have the tech to prove it. Asterite34 fucked around with this message at 15:58 on Mar 31, 2021 |
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PurpleXVI posted:I can't see how anyone could disagree with any of these, though, at least in principle. The cadres representing Viet Nam would note that 10 creates a potential crisis point where those relying upon ballistic missile delivered nuclear weapons to compensate/insure their own safety would in essence be forced to choose whether to use it or lose it as this "Star Wars" program became operational. There are several states, and several other non-state actors, who can be categorized as such. I'd suggest further debate before blithely agreeing to it.
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Asterite34 posted:Technically true, but without survey ships, they won't know where to put them. We have an overwhelming information advantage, and I don't think they're keen to put down an enormous investment in settling a potentially dead rock without any magic minerals. They would just follow us, and hit up the Moon and Mars, use this as an impetus to develop their own TN survey ships, or hell, exploit the conventional resources there. Asterite34 posted:but in fact, yeah, we really are kinda cheating them by giving them Literal Hell to colonize and they don't yet have the tech to prove it. Even better than cheating them would be just not giving them anything. They also mention tech exchange, which would be extremely very one sided. We don't stand to gain anything by dealing with Japan, we'd only lose.
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If the motherfuckers are crazy enough to actually use it even after everything that's happened, we're never going to be able to trust them anyways so not building the missile shield to avoid provoking them is just kicking the can until they're provoked by some other milestone on the road to inevitable communist victory. The sooner we start the sooner the threat can be removed, I don't particularly feel like waiting for the Joint Chiefs or GLADIO or whoever to line up a shot on their own terms.
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habeasdorkus posted:The cadres representing Viet Nam would note that 10 creates a potential crisis point where those relying upon ballistic missile delivered nuclear weapons to compensate/insure their own safety would in essence be forced to choose whether to use it or lose it as this "Star Wars" program became operational. There are several states, and several other non-state actors, who can be categorized as such. I'd suggest further debate before blithely agreeing to it. A good point. Allow me to propose an alternative: The SHIELD project To ensure a basic level of defence against both rogue asteroids and unknown lifeforms, this act mandates the creation of a system of surface-based TNE railgun emplacements, capable of tracking fast-moving objects in earth's atmosphere or orbit, with integrated sensors for target acquisition. AKA exactly the same thing, except we don't put the fact it's supposed to shoot down ICBMs right in the name. To go hand in hand with it, I also propose the: TNE Arms Industry Act This act mandates an expansion of our ground force training facilities on earth, with the creation of three more facilities. We need to train ground forces in the form of our railgun defences, where we want a lot to help make sure nothing gets through. We will need ground forces to deal with GLADIO. We will need ground forces for peacekeeping and garrisoning once we expand further. We also need construction and xenobiology forces to help excavate the mars ruins. Having just a single facility, the one on the moon, will not be enough long-term.
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There is likely not a human alive whose life was not affected by the devastation caused in the Great Revolutionary War, something that even today we are still recovering from. War should be something that must be avoiding, and as such I feel it would be best to take certain options off the table. As such I, the representative of New England, propose the Restriction of Military Force Act The act would implement the following restrictions: -Formalize a No First Strike policy applying to all large scale weapons (ie missiles, railguns, etc) and not just ships as the current policy does -Ban the use of orbital weaponry on planetary targets -Explicitly ban the Comintern from being able to declare war on sovereign polities unless said polity has already declared war on the Comintern, as well as only allowing the Comintern to aid and intervene in member states wars if they are of a defensive nature. The third point does not apply to military actions against bandit kings within the former territories of the United States and Canada, or against any polity that claims to be the United States We should be builders of peace, not warmongers.
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Sanev.Khan posted:Even better than cheating them would be just not giving them anything. They also mention tech exchange, which would be extremely very one sided. We don't stand to gain anything by dealing with Japan, we'd only lose. We gain all sorts of stuff though. We effectively take the Joint Chiefs off the game board. We get Venus colonized at a massive discount. We tie up Japan's economy for a decade, and that'll have impressive knock-on effects for the world stage. Look at Nigeria, look at Brazil. Their economy is propped up by Japan's industrial investments. What happens to our capitalist opposite numbers if Japan instead spends their time and resources getting tangled up in starry-eyed Flash Gordon fantasies and neglects their economic colonialism on Earth? It gives us an opening, either to sweep in as the Hero of the Proletariat with our own investment (we can support doing two projects at once, Japan likely can't), or at the very least their economy collapses, encouraging a popular uprising. As for the tech exchange, we have no idea how one-sided it would be. They roughly know our capabilities, we have only the vaguest notions of theirs, and they SEEM to think they have some things we'd want. Comrade Bates, have our contacts in the Japanese Communist Party given any hints as to what technologies they're thinking of offering us?
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NewMars posted:The UAWR has been in contact with many of our fellow comintern members, including those within the area of the former united states in particular. After long hours of negotiation and discussion, we have the following legislation to propose: NewMars posted:2a: The Global Defence Initiative Foundation Act: As an adjunct to the prior act, this would allow observers, in the event of existing outerspace non-proliferation treaties being voided or rescinded, the ability to build their own military ships, under the condition that they are placed within an integrated command structure. NewMars posted:4: The Indian Negotiation Act: This act will formalize the goals of our negotiations with India: in exchange for the dismantlement of their feudal-throwback caste system and the initiation of continent-wide worker standards, we will begin providing aid and resources, while also opening up discussions with rebels to wind down the current conflict. We will use the provision of aid to start organizing unions and communes, educating and uplifting the workers before they can sway them towards capitalist-sympathetic views and undermine the class struggle. This may include the offering of comintern observer status. NewMars posted:5: The Japanese Negotiation Act: This will formalize our stance on negotiations: their demands are provisional on accepting observer status. In acceptance of this status they will not need to change anything immediately, but will gain access to the benefits of observer status. They shall not be allowed to militarize spaceflight, unless the provisions under the GDIFA act come into play, should it pass. All other details are negotiable, but this is not, should the act pass. NewMars posted:6. The North American Outreach and Reconstruction Act: This act, developed in tandem with many local leaders, particularly the esteemed Comrade McGovern, would instigate a diplomatic and economic blitz on the north American continent in the region of the former United States. Simply put, we will attempt to bring onside every polity that is willing to negotiate with us, while we use economic and political pressure to undermine those that will not. First is a mass deployment of economic, medical and environmental assets to uplift and stabilize the situation across the continent. Those that are willing to work with us will be given access to TNE technology and aid to distribute as they see fit, while those who do not will not be granted this. McGovern's thoughts are that a show of trust is necessary to aid the situation. Nations that show particular vulnerability in the matter are the New England Commonwealth, which is environmentally collapsing, the Reconstruction Authority and the State of Texas, both of whom are willing to negotiate right now and represent the largest blocs that show such openness. The capstone to this will be the cultural outreach. As of right now, many see Socialism as an "unamerican" construct despite it's deep roots in the continent. We must change this perception as we work, drawing on the regional histories of each area to demonstrate that socialism can be an american symbol, too. From the Industrial Workers of the World and their stronghold in chicago to the appalachian miner's strikes, we must change the comintern's perception as an outside force. NewMars posted:6a. The North American Forum Creation Treaty: As an addendum to the prior act, this treaty will formalize the creation of a forum for the former USA plus the former area of Canada, as well as Mexico. Invitation to this forum will be extended to all polities of North America, small and large and it's first order of business will be negotiating the creation of postal and customs unions as well as continental sports leagues. NewMars posted:7. The Bureau of Environmental Protection, Conservation and Restoration Act: Just because the radiation has been cleaned up doesn't mean that the damage is gone. Much of the world's biodiversity has been burned in flame and the knock-on effects may provide complete disaster in the future. In order to forestall this and other threats to the only green world we know, this act would formalize the creation of a comintern body devoted to protecting the wild spaces of the world, as well as working to restore those areas still ruined and to forestall future destruction through research into and implementation of low-impact industry and city design, the creation of international parks and conservation areas and the consolidation of existing efforts internationally. TDS posted:Ascension Accords Act We support this motion as well. Asterite34 posted:VENUSPLAN Getting Japan bogged down in an inner-system boondoggle to colonize Venus seems like the perfect use of our diplomatic power. If they wish to get into space so badly, we can give them the hardest job of them all. Surely they will demonstrate the might of their capitalism and prove themselves superior to our socialist ways. We support this motion.
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This representative of the Haitian Christian Final Liberation Front (FLFKA) would like to propose the following acts: Reduction of Work Act - Thanks to increases in efficienty of the economy due to the Internetwork (see February 1, 1982 report) the 40 hour work week can be formally considered obsolete, and this act would mandate member states reduce a full work week to 30 hrs in 5 years or less, with proportionate increase in workers pay so that while they are working less they are not taking home less pay. End of Toil Act - With the triumph of socialism and communism there is no reason not to go further than the Reduction of Work Act and implement what comrades have been agitating for since the 1930's! Member states will have an additional five years to reduce full work week to 20 hours or less, with proportionate increase in pay. Abduction and Great Revolutionary War Veteren Medal Creation Act - As soon as a design is selected there shall exist medals for 'Abduction', aka prisoners of war in space, and for veterans of the Great Revolutionary War . The former will naturally be awarded to the former prisoners of Cydonia, and the latter will have a higher than normal value for a medal of that type to represent their recipient's 'political reliability.' Additionally Id like for the Cydonians to receive prisoner of war medals from their respective states, to the best of our ability considering  .
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The Lunar Socialist Republic proposes the following: Orbital Survey Act - An Act which allows for expansion and regulation of the FESTER surveillance system, with the intent to enshrine both a capacity for security and surveillance, and its restraint in the name of liberty. Put simply: this bill would approve deployment of FESTER systems across all bodies in which Comintern has an interest - at present, Earth, Luna, and Mars, but we hear our colleagues talking about Venus, for example. However, actual usage of FESTER on any given Comintern territory would require either A) the express consent of whoever holds jurisdiction over that land, subject to whatever terms they find reasonable, or B) an extraordinary decree passed by a supermajority of the People's Congress, to the effect that this is an emergency situation or a time of war. (We imagine that the ongoing situation with the reactionary group calling itself "GLADIO" would be easily recognised as an emergency, but to be clear, with the likelihood of a GLADIO "shadow colony" on Lunar soil, the Lunar Assembly would approve a reasonable term of FESTER surveillance without such a decree.)
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Freudian posted:The Lunar Socialist Republic proposes the following: The DRMN seconds the motion. Our analysts find there is a fair probability that there is a covert colony somewhere on Luna, staffed by at least 80 or so agents who show up on passenger manifests but are unaccounted for in the current Lunar population (probably snuck in among the refugees with faked credentials) and supplied by stolen and refurbished life support supplies. Their capabilities are unknown, but it could be a base for reactionary terrorism of the LSR, particularly sabotage of vital infrastructure. An orbital scan for anomalous thermal signatures not matching with any known lunar outposts should pinpoint it easily.
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Communist Zombie posted:This representative of the Haitian Christian Final Liberation Front (FLFKA) would like to propose the following acts: The ComInterp Delegation from Việt Nam second the Reduction of Work Act and Abduction and Great Revolutionary War Veteren Medal Creation Act. We believe that five year plans should be five year plans, however, and thus do not second the End of Toil Act at this time. We would also like to express our admiration of the people of Haiti, who hail from the first nation to ever throw off the colonialist yoke.
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Lest we forget, I propose the HEAVY Act HEAVY Act An act that requires that at least two research labs be allocated to researching artificial gravity for use on the Moon, as well as other low-gravity bodies, with secondary usage aboard ships and orbital habitats.
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TDS posted:Lest we forget, I propose the HEAVY Act Not a bad idea, especially if the gravity manipulation research has cross-applications in tractor beams. Maybe even antigravity-based levitation for the next gen of "grav-lev" based transportation.
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The global transport network was informally dubbed COMRAIL by those who worked on it at its inception. COMRAIL's leadership is international in character, but has a heavy contingent from the USSR that frequently sits on Comintern committees. Once such comrade rose to speak at the Congress. Comrades, I believe we are overdue to give our organization some real teeth. The continued existence of groups like the Bandit King of the Rockies, the colonialist fortress state, and GLADIO are unacceptable in a sane world. Let us unite to provide the strength of arms necessary where our lone members need it but are unable to provide: The People's Army Expansion Act The vital experiences in the forming of smaller formations have demonstrated that our international methods are successful. We will now scale up to produce the infrastructure to build and maintain no less than 7 divisions globally, and to subsequently build said divisions. These divisions should have their own logistical, air, armored, and artillery support, with TNE tech where possible. These divisions should operate as follows: 1 in North America, 1 in South America, 1 in Europe, 1 in Africa, 1 in Oceania, and 2 in Asia. These units should be capable of relocating to support each other in the event of a large scale emergency or the outbreak of war. These units will be expected to work with and aide in the coordination of national military forces. Also, our comrades on Luna are currently tragically bereft of trains, therefore I propose: The Lunar Rail Act A train network should be constructed for Lunagrad that services all Lunar settlements and ports. This network should extend beyond the current settlements in accordance with locally dictated development plans regarding settlement expansion and TNE resource exploitation.
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The Deutsche Volksrepublik would like to formally propose the following: = = = = WORLD SOCIALIST EXHIBITION The non-socialist nations of the world appear to be continuing to labor under the pre-GRW impression that the Communist Interplanetary is a single, monolithic entity in the vein of the empires of old, which exists to crush, homogenize, and subjugate the world. This is self-evidently untrue to those of us inside of it, but we are all aware of the lasting power of propaganda. To that end, the DVR proposes a grand exhibition of the benefits of socialism, in the vein of the Worlds' Fairs of prior decades. Individual countries can provide demonstrations of the economic, social, and cultural benefits brought by their socialist revolutions or evolutions. The objective is to present, for the capitalist worker, direct and concrete examples of the benefits they can expect from a socialist goverment -- and SHOULD be expecting from theirs. In this way we will set an example that the capitalists cannot possibly match, or exhaust themselves trying to. In the case of my own DVR, for instance, the states and unions have developed plans to showcase the speed of the national reconstruction, the development of our new industry, improvements in education, literacy, healthcare, womens' rights. The Ministry for Housing has plans to construct a full demonstration example of a Roteshaus-program apartment, complete with simulated courtyard view, and the Ministry for Transportation has drafted comparisons of commutes. This would take the form of an exhibition held either directly within Japan/India/etc., possibly moving from country to country, or if this proves too onerous, located in a "neutral" location such as Spain, Turkey, Singapore, to be determined. Each participating country would assemble their own exhibition, if they feel they can provide a physical exhibit; those who cannot would be encouraged to contribute video footage to provide representation. The exhibits being prepared by the individual countries is considered important, to avoid the impression that the whole operation is a top-level Cominterp design. A secondary objective if possible is to undertake this with minimal strain on the overall Cominterp budget, with the alliance handling top-level organization/infrastructure/transit and the actual operations being funded directly by the participating countries. Costs where prohibitive are to be spread out to the more prosperous countries, such as my own. A concrete date for the debut of this exhibition has not been decided upon as of the time of this legislation, but should be undertaken as soon as feasible for the smaller participants, so as to coincide with the rest of our diplomatic blitz.
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Mar 31, 2021 22:59
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Apropos of the recent update on the state of the Dis-United States, since it seems like no one's really covered the alt-histories of some of the member states we have in the Comintern. So, have a thing on the Detroit Commune that is in no way given favoritism by yours truly. At all. The Founding of the Detroit Commune (A Worker's Perspective) "So you wanna know how the Commune managed to actually hold itself together when the old US went to poo poo? Why are you even bothering me with that question, man? My answer is Reuther. That's it, beginning, middle, and end. Satisfied? ...Ugh. I can tell by the look on your face that the answer is 'no.' Fine, fine, I'll humor you. Buuut before we get to that we gotta talk about what used to be the UAW - the United Automobile Workers in case you hadn't heard the name before, cause that's where this whole thing first started. Don't worry, I'm not going to get into the details or make you take a test or something, and I'm going to assume you know what a goddamn union is. What you need to know is the difference between the UAW before and after 1968. Namely how it treated 'Communists.' Y'see, Reuther was very much a patriot even if he was all for the rights of the workers and people being equal. He was also the only man stubborn enough to get the bigwigs at General Motors and Ford and so on to actually back down - go read up on the 'First Treaty of Detroit' if you haven't heard about it. I'm getting off topic though. 1968 happens, MLK gets assassinated, Nixon gets assassinated, things start to look bad as what used to be the US is starting to tear itself apart. Now, Reuther's a smart guy, and while he loves his country he can see that things are starting to get bad. So he goes back to the people who basically owned Detroit and the Thumb and makes it clear that they can either band together or watch as Michigan falls into anarchy. Which...well...most of it did. 'Now hang on,' I hear you say, 'that sounds a lot like a state run by businesses, like what they've got going on over in Vegas, don't it? Why did you guys end up making a commune instead?' Thing is, once again, Reuther was able to get through to them for the exact same reasons he was able to get the first Treaty through - he know how to organize the workers, he was able to prove that he could do it, and the corporate bigwigs knew it. And thanks to that we got the Second Treaty of Detroit, though most people like us didn't know it existed until after the collapse - and if you actually read the drat thing you can tell that everyone involved was praying to God that they wouldn't have to follow through on it. So when all's said and done you have a 'state' that's made up mostly of industrial sites ranging from the Detroit Metro area to towns like Saginaw and Flint where the car makers had a big enough footprint for the unions to also be there. Everyone involved tried to get the rest of the state in on the Treaty but...well the UP - er, the Upper Peninsula has always basically been another goddamn planet, and from what I've heard the rest of the state wasn't exactly as keen to get on board. Honestly though, as much as Reuther helped keep things together, it might've been for the best that he died in that crash around '70. He still genuinely believed that the US could be reconstituted until the bitter end, and while I gotta respect the man's conviction the writing was clear as day, especially after the nukes and all that horrible poo poo. Once he went, well, that's when the Detroit Commune was really born. Do I wanna see the something like a 'Michigan Commune?' Eh...honestly I dunno if that's ever gonna happen. I hear people out in Grand Rapids and that way are coming around to the idea, but up north? I don't seem them coming around any time soon. Don't even get me started on the UP. Maybe it could happen. But only if those bastards in Ohio gave us Toledo. ...I'm kidding, I'm kidding. Heh. Mostly." (if there are any contradictions to worldbuilding anyone can let me know, but getting into something like this seemed fun and gave me an excuse to read up on things like William Reuther and the Treaty of Detroit, which was an Actual Thing that happened IRL. I might end up doing something like this for a couple of the admittedly more important players in the US too)
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Mar 31, 2021 23:36
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I believe we can achieve a comprehensive set of guidelines which are useful to this body in guiding relations with non-cominterP members. The USSR COMRAIL Directorate proposes the following The Three Worlds Policy Act Nations and groups not in the CominterP shall receive one of three designations that shall automatically trigger what policy cites the relevant statuses in this legislation. These designations will also signify the general comintern stance towards said nations and groups. The designations will be as follows: 1st world: 1st worlders are strong allies of the CominterP, who support our goals and ideology but have, for whatever reasons, not committed to full membership. 1st worlders should be considered eligible for all forms of aide, treaty, and alliance, and receive many of the benefits of membership in the CominterP save voting in Congress. The goal in dealing with 1st worlders should be the promotion and strengthening of strong allies and future CominterP membership. 2nd world: 2nd worlders are neutral to the CominterP. The goal in dealing 2nd worlders should be engaged on a quid pro quo basis, receiving aide and benefits in proportion to their good faith participation in CominterP policy, unions, treaties, and alliances. The exact nature of exchanges shall be left as a matter for the diplomatic corps and future legislation. The goal in dealing with 2nd worlders is to encourage the building of socialism through soft power methods and eventual transition to 1st world status. Hell world: Hell worlders have a proven and sustained hostility for the CominterP and socialism. Hell worlders should be treated with reciprocal hostility. Any and all tools short of war itself should be utilized to isolate, weaken, and if necessary, destroy recipients of this designation. These methods should include targeted economic warfare, espionage, aide and comfort to rebels and dissenters, political isolation, and denial of any access to TNE resources or technology. The goal in dealing with hell worlders should be their complete removal from political life or thoroughly convincing reform worthy of 2nd world status. Hell worlders are barred from any alliance, treaty, or intergovernmental union. All above legislation should not be considered to bar humanitarian aide, including specifically the SAP and other such programs that the CominterP sees fit to exempt. paragon1 fucked around with this message at 23:48 on Mar 31, 2021 |
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Edited my post to better express that observer status comes with requirements on their end as well, even if it is a big diplomatic carrot that's supposed to be used to break up the existing vestiges of the capitalists. Edit: also clarified the purpose of chakravartin. NewMars fucked around with this message at 01:24 on Apr 1, 2021 |
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Apr 1, 2021 01:12
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Have edited my proposal for VENUSPLAN. Screw giving them freighters as a first offer, the shiny new experimental tractor beam tug is all they really NEED for areostat transport. If they grumble too loudly and don't seem to be going for it, THEN we dangle the Beworas in front of them to sweeten the deal a little. We low-ball them first.
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Apr 1, 2021 01:35
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Incidentally, the terms of observer status are supposed to be flexible, so that we can deal with different nations.. differently. Some things should be set in stone, obviously, but you'd want to deal with comintern-adjacent polities like spain differently than people you're trying to bring onside like Japan or India.
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Apr 1, 2021 01:39
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paragon1 posted:The Lunar Rail Act TDS posted:Lest we forget, I propose the HEAVY Act Redeye Flight posted:The Deutsche Volksrepublik would like to formally propose the following: The People's Republic of California seconds all these proposals.
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Apr 1, 2021 01:50
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The People's Republic of California proposes the following: Water Act On Earth, water infrastructure shall be built out using TNE technologies. Water shall be sourced from renewable sources such as oceans or seas, and previously-used sources that had been overused allowed to recover. All people within Comintern territories must have the right to clean, safe, accessible water. Where possible, drained aquifers, seas, lakes, rivers, and other damaged natural features shall have dedicated infrastructure restoring them until no longer necessary. (I don't imagine this as having any in-game effects, its just flavor on things we're already doing. Nevertheless, restore the Aral Sea! The Colorado River! The Ogallala Aquifer! Pipes from the Pacific over the Rockies! Desalination everywhere!) Cultural Heritage Repatriation Act A process for repatriating cultural artifacts shall be developed. This does not preclude museums continuing to display artifacts if the proper owners agree to a sharing agreement, but no longer can it simply be assumed that because some art was looted a century ago that a museum or collector gets to keep it.
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Apr 1, 2021 02:10
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idhrendur posted:Water Act The damage from multiple world wars as well as capitalistic exploitation have done much damage to this planet's environment, and it all needs restoration. The Freshwater Department should be one of several departments under a larger, world-spanning Environmental Restoration Bureau to organize and prioritize all the various cleanup and restoration efforts necessary to restore our beautiful homeworld's natural environment to as pristine condition as possible. Air, land, and sea; flora and fauna; the job is immense and will likely take a lifetime of work, but it's a job worth doing to leave a better world for our children than we got. [I dunno if it would be possible, but maybe build a terraforming station to represent large-scale environmental restoration efforts?]
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Serf posted:We would not agree to some of the benefits of this observer status. Allowing them to observe votes in the presidium is fine, and they may engage with the Comintern customs and postal union. But they cannot be allowed access to Comintern resources, technology or intelligence. Their civilian spacecraft, should they be able to construct them, will need to be inspected by Comintern inspectors to ensure that they are not militarized. Sanev.Khan posted:I have to ask if you're absolutely serious about that observer status? A nation could then get benefits of the Comintern for its elites, and none of it going to its people? Why? If we do create an observer status, it must only be open to non-capitalist, non-monarchist nations, the only difference with full membership in the Comintern would then be they don't get to vote in the people's congress, but also don't have to apply all of our rules, but still benefit from our aid programs and military alliance, etc. Observer status carries with it the requirement to abide by comintern treaties and regulations concerning the rights of workers and the populace. The entire point is to undercut the UN and it's feeble network and to aid in the transition of non-communist states, some of them very close, who may be monarchist or not yet socialist nations. Which is to say, pretty much all of the pink on the map. Excluding some of our own allies from this is not only a gigantic step back in our diplomatic relations and the global transition to communism, but may very well alienate actual members of the alliance. Now, if these regulations do not enforce a liveable standard of existence and rights for the worker yet, then that seems like a problem that we, as the comintern must fix within ourselves. As for the flag: no. It will be the original one there, still lying in the lunar dust. The point of this day shall be to ruminate on a peace that may have been. After the landing, one billion human beings perished in plague and fire, but it did not have to be that way. For all the good we've achieved now, the blood of too many innocents has been shed to call it a victory. The fall of capitalism was an inevitability, but it did not have to come in nuclear fire. This ceremony will be about mourning the future peace that could have been. Planting our own flag as a symbol of conquest would be grotesquely crass.
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Is the original flag even still there? If it hasn't turned into a few scraps of unidentifiable nylon from decades of exposure to micrometeorites, cosmic radiation, and some serious heating/cooling cycles it was never designed for, it's probably at least bleached out into a grey square rather than a recognizable flag. And like gently caress am I going to vote for printing up a fresh USA flag just to give the Joint Chiefs a propaganda coup, they've been dead and gone for decades and good riddance. We might have to bring a red flag by necessity if we want a recognizable flag, unless the point is to go prop up a tattered grey rag which I guess does send a message too, although maybe not the one we're hoping for.
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Apr 1, 2021 14:00
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Crazycryodude posted:Is the original flag even still there? If it hasn't turned into a few scraps of unidentifiable nylon from decades of exposure to micrometeorites, cosmic radiation, and some serious heating/cooling cycles it was never designed for, it's probably at least bleached out into a grey square rather than a recognizable flag. And like gently caress am I going to vote for printing up a fresh USA flag just to give the Joint Chiefs a propaganda coup, they've been dead and gone for decades and good riddance. We might have to bring a red flag by necessity if we want a recognizable flag, unless the point is to go prop up a tattered grey rag which I guess does send a message too, although maybe not the one we're hoping for. I don't know about the condition of the flag, but I should point out that said astronauts are located in the Kingdom of Hawaii, California and Carter's Reconstruction Government. One of them is a comintern member, another is an ally, if one with a bit of a rocky relationship and the last is someone we want to negotiate with, if anything, it'll be them who'll get the benefit from this, not the irrelevant join chiefs.
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The Joint Chiefs, Gladio, and any other hardcore USA partisans out there would definitely love to see a nice fresh USA flag raised on the Moon, while all the people we actually like in the former territory overwhelmingly seem to have the same "good riddance" policy towards them that I do. If we're going to insist on hoisting the flag of communism's single most dedicated enemy, a decades-dead polity who set the world on fire and killed a billion people out of spite, I'm not going to vote for the proposal. It's obscene. Not to imply that anyone who supports it is a Nazi, obviously, but to get incredibly and unnecessarily hyperbolic it's like raising the Nazi flag over Kiev 25 years later in the spirit of "reconciliation." No thanks. Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at 14:21 on Apr 1, 2021 |
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Apr 1, 2021 14:19
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Indeed. If the flag to be raised is the American one, then we will vote against this proposal. As a compromise, a simple flag with a black background with an image of the Earth itself could be raised to represent the whole of the human species and our journey into space.
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Apr 1, 2021 14:38
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While I'm not sure how I feel about raising a new US Flag at the Apollo 11 site (it raises all sorts of issues of preserving a historic moment vs glorifying a broken past best left behind, etc), I'm also not sure how I feel about the tone of "mourning a peace that could have been." People have been mourning for like 10 years, maybe we should celebrate one of the greatest accomplishments in human history. ...and while on the topic of what Gladio would want, if I were a terrorist sitting in my hidden moonbase, and there was a big highly visible televised meeting of international dignitaries and heroes of the early Space Age all gathered in one vulnerable place for a big symbolic ceremony, I would see a prime target. Maybe we should get the FESTER scans underway and clean house before we have guests.
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Crazycryodude posted:The Joint Chiefs, Gladio, and any other hardcore USA partisans out there would definitely love to see a nice fresh USA flag raised on the Moon, while all the people we actually like in the former territory overwhelmingly seem to have the same "good riddance" policy towards them that I do. If we're going to insist on hoisting the flag of communism's single most dedicated enemy, a decades-dead polity who set the world on fire and killed a billion people out of spite, I'm not going to vote for the proposal. It's obscene. I honestly do not get this. This is a proposal to restore a universal heritage site and to celebrate a truly peaceful mission of exploration. But instead, it's got to have our mark over it, because accepting the complicated legacy of a dead nation is harder than just proclaiming our superiority over it? The minds of evil men made the flames, the tyranny of capital brought it to bear, but that does not mean that there were not those who fought for equality and worked to make a better world within the nation and the entire purpose of this act is to remember this and to grant those who came in peace for all mankind the recognition they deserve. Anyway. The point is that the flag should be that of the old USA's because it is a historical site. It is for the past we have, not the one we want.
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They didn't come in peace for all mankind, they came as career military men on a ballistic missile in an intimidation stunt, a year before that same military using similar missiles seared the world and killed a quarter of the human race. If it's a historical site, leave it untouched for the historians. If it's getting involved in modern politics, I think it's fair to account for the modern political situation. Let them each bring a flag of their new polities or something if they want, and the Cominterp rep will bring a Cominterp flag. I can't approve of intentionally erecting a new USA flag.
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